Imagination Popularity

THEMEPARKPIONEER

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
I went on imagination for the first time without Dreamfinder. I was going to give it a chance and thought I would like it after watcing some youtubes and I hated it, it didnt seem well loved at all and it seemed allot shorter. I walked right thru on a crowded day and the seats were not even filled up. Every line was 50 or over except spaceship earth which I have never seen long but the seats are always full. What got me is that the best post show in my opinion is closed down when it is completly in tact. I thought the new one was kind of cheap.
 

drossjr

New Member
it's never busy unless of course the typical afternoon downpour occurs during the afternoon in the summer and people run for cover and they say what the hell and decide to ride it

yes the attraction is much shorter then what it was

yes the post show is lame and it angers me that the upstairs is still there collecting dust, couldnt they have recreated it on the first floor somehow? :fork:
 

PurpleDragon

Well-Known Member
I can't for the life of me figure out why they didn't just try to fix the issues the original ride had rather than scrapping the whole thing. That ride was so amazing in its original form, and I'm sure it would be just as successful today as it was in its hayday had they just updated some of the effects and AA's and just tried to correct the issue with the rotation table that plagued the original ride.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
I can't for the life of me figure out why they didn't just try to fix the issues the original ride had rather than scrapping the whole thing.
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JIYI was during the Eisner/Pressler era remember?
 

PurpleDragon

Well-Known Member
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JIYI was during the Eisner/Pressler era remember?


Yeah but still, the original attraction had so much attention to detail, the drastic change between the original and version 2 and 3 is mind boggling. It went from an amazing, beautiful, detailed experience to a cheap preshow/tie-in for HISTA.

Oh BTW, I love your site Martin, I wasted half my work week last week watching your videos. :wave:


Wasn't Kodak catching blame at one point for insisting on something new?

Yes Kodak wanted a remodel of the pavilion as part of their contract renewal. I think they were the main ones who pulled the plug, the cost of maintenance to the attraction got to be too much I think.
 

Future Guy

Active Member
As much as I've railed against the many changes made since the EPCOT Center days, I've got to admit that most of them were made in an honest effort to give people what they want.

Except Imagination, that is. The sole motivation behind the gutting of that pavilion was to make it cheaper to operate. They didn't even pay lip service to customer experience on this one; the whole pavilion reeks of the arrogant assumption that Disney customers are stupid animals that will eagerly lap up whatever table scraps the executives see fit to toss their way. I'm sure the Imagineers that built the current incarnation of the ride from scraps of the execrable 1999 version did the very best they could, but the whole thing still plays like a ride past a bunch of stuff Disney couldn't sell at a garage sale. And have you seen the place lately? Judging from the dull, dirty look of the pyramids you'd think that the ability to clean glass is an ancient art that's been lost to history.

People are always talking about how the World Showcase needs a new country or how Universe of Energy needs to become something more than a monument to '90s pop culture, but in my opinion the most important, number one priority for EPCOT should be revitalizing the Imagination pavilion. I know that proposals exist; Disney just needs to implement one of them. Hopefully a Dr. Nigel Channing-free one.

Or else I will stomp my feet and say bad words. :)
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
Oh BTW, I love your site Martin, I wasted half my work week last week watching your videos. :wave:




Yes Kodak wanted a remodel of the pavilion as part of their contract renewal. I think they were the main ones who pulled the plug, the cost of maintenance to the attraction got to be too much I think.
Thanks. Glad you like my vids :D

Eisner nearly forced Kodak away. Apparently his attitude nearly made them take off and leave the parks lock stock and barrel. With no Frank to hold him back he turned into the egomaniac he is remembered - rightly or wrongly - for. To top it all, Eisner rode JIYI during previews and came out fuming. Little did he know the ride was only working for a half hour before he arrived it was in such an underfunded mess. His blame-someone attitude came out again with DCAs TOT, but I digress. I doubt we`ll never know the full story of who approved funding for JIYI, but it was so bad that TWDC ordered JIIWF less than 18 months later. Again, a lacklustre attraction but one to attempt to cover up the mess of version 2. It can`t hind the major flaws of what they did in 1998, it`s just window dressing on one of the biggest mistakes WDI were ever forced to make.

As we`ve said before.
 

Master Gracey 5

Active Member
As much as I've railed against the many changes made since the EPCOT Center days, I've got to admit that most of them were made in an honest effort to give people what they want.

Except Imagination, that is. The sole motivation behind the gutting of that pavilion was to make it cheaper to operate. They didn't even pay lip service to customer experience on this one; the whole pavilion reeks of the arrogant assumption that Disney customers are stupid animals that will eagerly lap up whatever table scraps the executives see fit to toss their way. I'm sure the Imagineers that built the current incarnation of the ride from scraps of the execrable 1999 version did the very best they could, but the whole thing still plays like a ride past a bunch of stuff Disney couldn't sell at a garage sale. And have you seen the place lately? Judging from the dull, dirty look of the pyramids you'd think that the ability to clean glass is an ancient art that's been lost to history.

People are always talking about how the World Showcase needs a new country or how Universe of Energy needs to become something more than a monument to '90s pop culture, but in my opinion the most important, number one priority for EPCOT should be revitalizing the Imagination pavilion. I know that proposals exist; Disney just needs to implement one of them. Hopefully a Dr. Nigel Channing-free one.

Or else I will stomp my feet and say bad words. :)

If the aim was, as you say, to make it cheaper to operate then someone is eating major crow these days. Nothing costs more to operate than a ride that won't draw crowds but is continuously running. Keep up hope that the numbers will eventually force them to do something and redo the whole pavilion.
 

WDW_Emily

Well-Known Member
If the aim was, as you say, to make it cheaper to operate then someone is eating major crow these days. Nothing costs more to operate than a ride that won't draw crowds but is continuously running. Keep up hope that the numbers will eventually force them to do something and redo the whole pavilion.
More likely they will tear it down if the numbers don't get better not redo it. I mean JIYI has been changed what like 3 times? eventually Disney is going to give up on this ride
 

SRisonS

Well-Known Member
I seriously hope something gets done with this ride. For one thing, the numbers will never go up, so I don't know what Disney is waiting for. I agree it's probably a money thing though. And because of Journey's nice following, and being such a part of many guests past memories, it'll be hard for them to just totally give up on it.

Because of my in-laws, I for one have been on the ride way more than what I thought was humanly possible (1 time is more than enough). Their dedication is so strong, that my brother-in-law took his new gf on the ride, but skipped Test Track because he thinks it sucks. To each his own, I guess (at least his last gf agreed with me in my prior assesment that the ride was gonna be bad.... It was the first time riding for both the girls).
 

rodserling27

Well-Known Member
Man oh man, the mess that is Imagination.

I'll be pithy, as I've made tons of posts on this in the past.

Ahem.

The Imagination! Pavilion is the worst part of Walt Disney World.

The end.:wave:
 
I wonder if Disney ever considered that it would be better to just shut down and mothball the pavilion until they figure out what to do with it or get the money to do it right. It must cost money to staff and cool and operate the place and the morale among the CMs who work there cannot be so great - I am sure they are friendly but who would actually want to be assigned there? Or would it be worse to have an empty building?

I was actually hoping competition from other park's dark rides, like Hard Rock Park's Nights in White Satin or the Harry Potter rides at Universal would get Disney going on this but they must not pay attention to other parks do they?
 

mastif

New Member
close the doors for at least a year, and re open it with a completely revamped ride, with a nice table service restaurant upstairs and put some interactive games up there. I know it's not that easy, but there are definitely things that could be done to that pavilion that could raise attendance rather than demo the whole building..
 

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