I'm not going to Disney World any more!!!!!!

Goofyernmost

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You will have a great time at Disneyland, but we've lost some classics as well. The Country Bears, the Carousel of Progress and the PeopleMover are no longer at Disneyland. There are a lot of us that miss the PeopleMover (not so much Carousel of Progress and the Country Bears). It sucks losing things you love in the parks, but it happens. There are things that make us Disneyland fans upset, too, and Disneyland is certainly not perfect, but I have to admit, the amount of things we complain about doesn't quite add up to the WDW complaints I hear here. Still, we're not completely happy with our parks, either.

What I find amusing about the discussion of attractions lost and how Walt would be upset is the fact that it is more than likely that Walt would have gotten rid of them long, long ago. He was about changing the parks, always moving, always amazing. That isn't done by keeping everything like it always was.

Things are a little different now, understandably, Walt is dead and what he saw as works in progress, we see as monuments to his genius. We don't want to see them go, because with them goes Walt. It's different. If Walt had changed every single thing in DL, no one would have said anything except..Wow!
 

mousehockey37

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After hearing about the CM hour cuts to increase profit Incame to realize that Disney World really is only about the money. I'm tired of Disney World ruining and removing our favorite attractions and neglecting them to increase profit while jacking up the prices. It's a Disney themed institution that know people will be suckers and come to the park anyway. Disneyland... Here I come!!!!!!

This is what any company does. It's not rocket science. However, there are many people who will agree that TWDC is going in the wrong direction. Trying to cut the CMs hours, yet they arbitrarily have extra hours added to extend the day. Are these thought out decisions? Or does management look at things and say, ok, tomorrow we're adding additional hours.

As far as stretching the attractions and neglect? As those of you who have seen my other posts, live entertainment is the first thing to go, it's people who lose out but it saves money. It also seems that they now are doing the *cue SafeAuto music* bare minimum to cover everything so that stuff still is presentable and runs.
 

StarWarsGirl

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In the Parks
No
I just got back from DL/Aulani. There are things that are poor about Disneyland too. Crowd control, for instance. Knowledgeability of CMs. Food (sorry, none of the sit downs I went to are as good as WDW). Frequency of breakdowns was much higher than at WDW (this is a big one). I noticed Haunted Mansion looked like it needed a refurb. I encourage anyone who wants to go to Disneyland to give it a try. But don't expect it to be completely peachy. WDW and DL each have their high and low points.
 

Californian Elitist

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What I find amusing about the discussion of attractions lost and how Walt would be upset is the fact that it is more than likely that Walt would have gotten rid of them long, long ago. He was about changing the parks, always moving, always amazing. That isn't done by keeping everything like it always was.

Things are a little different now, understandably, Walt is dead and what he saw as works in progress, we see as monuments to his genius. We don't want to see them go, because with them goes Walt. It's different. If Walt had changed every single thing in DL, no one would have said anything except..Wow!

Sometimes we don't want to see them go just because we love them so much. I bet if Disney announced Space Mountain would be going, people would be very, VERY upset.
 

Gabe1

Ivory Tower Squabble EST 2011. WINDMILL SURVIVOR
Hyades--daughters of Atlas, placed as stars in the sky by Zeus, thought of be bringers of rain.

That's some auto-correct you have. :) Blame Hyades for those Florida afternoon showers.


Yep, I love auto correct. You should have seen some of the inappropriate things I've sent my kids. Hang head in shame. :eek: But that wasn't the Huh I quoted, it was the Tantrum, I didn't get the humor, the rest I got a giggle out of.
 

Gabe1

Ivory Tower Squabble EST 2011. WINDMILL SURVIVOR
I agree that the CMs deserve better than they get. But I think Disney would be a little more worried if you opted to go to Universal instead.


We chop two to four days off our Disney World trips and start at Universal. Disney doesn't seem to mind. Go figure? :confused:
 

mousehockey37

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Sometimes we don't want to see them go just because we love them so much. I bet if Disney announced Space Mountain would be going, people would be very, VERY upset.

But what innovative product would be waiting to go in its place?

I think this goes a long way with people. Sure, it'll hurt that the ride is gone, but if the new innovative product is there, people will come to ride it/use it.
 

Thrill

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I just got back from DL/Aulani. There are things that are poor about Disneyland too. Crowd control, for instance. Knowledgeability of CMs. Food (sorry, none of the sit downs I went to are as good as WDW). Frequency of breakdowns was much higher than at WDW (this is a big one). I noticed Haunted Mansion looked like it needed a refurb. I encourage anyone who wants to go to Disneyland to give it a try. But don't expect it to be completely peachy. WDW and DL each have their high and low points.

I'm sure WDW would have crowd control problems if they recently wrapped up a $1 billion expansion at a park that used to be awful as well. Actually, scratch that. WDW has crowd control problems with transportation as-is. DL has no such transportation problem, because who needs transportation when your parks are a practically 15 yards away from each other?

And yes, WDW's Haunted Mansion is (surprisingly, given the maintenance situations at each resort, and especially the fact that it gets two refurbs a year at DL) superior on the inside. Outside, not so much, but it's one of the rides which is better at WDW. Fortunately for Disneyland, their version of Pirates wasn't rushed.

What I find amusing about the discussion of attractions lost and how Walt would be upset is the fact that it is more than likely that Walt would have gotten rid of them long, long ago. He was about changing the parks, always moving, always amazing. That isn't done by keeping everything like it always was.

Things are a little different now, understandably, Walt is dead and what he saw as works in progress, we see as monuments to his genius. We don't want to see them go, because with them goes Walt. It's different. If Walt had changed every single thing in DL, no one would have said anything except..Wow!

An interesting perspective. I think part of the problem goes back to the comments about how WDW was large enough to hold "everything we can imagine." Everything includes the classics. Ideally, we don't have to give up Carousel of Progress to get the next big thing.

The other part of the problem is risk-aversion. Walt literally put everything he had on the line to build Disneyland. Today, it's all about trying to build on the cheap (and apparently WDI has problems making this work; Carsland should not be a $550 million project). You're not going to top Haunted Mansion if you're not willing to spend on bringing in the best and brightest creative minds, and spend even more on building everything they come up with. You're also not going to top it by building for nearly twice the industry average.

I think disney has gone downhill since Michael Eisner left but we still keep going most years it's 2times and I live disney no matter what!!! I am a proud disney freak!!!!

The decline started in the Eisner era. EuroDisney's opening and Frank Wells's death happened within two years of each other and combined to destroy the company from a quality standpoint. I'd say that the ESPN purchase was the last good thing Eisner did (in 1996, I think). Pretty solid last good thing to do (ESPN floats the entire company these days), but he stuck around for another nearly ten years, during which 2D animation got struck down and Disney-Pixar was nearly broken up, among other things.

Early Eisner > Iger > Late Eisner.
 

Computer Magic

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True. But, think of it as "voting" with your money. Support the parts of Disney that you like. Don't support the parts you don't like. Yes, the collective pot is the same but the difference can be when the parts in the pot are looked at individually. Of course many will say, "You're 1 person. You don't go but someone else will." This is also true. I haven't been on a WDW parks vacation in almost 2 years. For me it's more about not throwing away perfectly good money and living by what I say. It's easy as pie to say, "I don't like what WDW is doing, someone should do something." It's a whole other ballgame when you actually stand behind the words. Sure there's others lined up to walk thru the WDW parks gates even when I'm not but I feel better knowing it wasn't me. If it never makes a bit of difference at least I felt better about it. ;)
I agree. I have no plans to return to WDW. I will use that money at different Disney trips, DCL, ABD and DL. I think there is a small dent with those of us not going and those of us spending more time at UNI. If WDW sees their numbers dwindling maybe they will take action. Otherwise, I'm finding out there is life outside WDW.
 

Californian Elitist

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Sure, it'll hurt that the ride is gone, but if the new innovative product is there, people will come to ride it/use it.

Of course. Some people would love it, some would t though. There are strong rumors that Disneyland's Innoventions is getting turned into Stark Expo, and some fans aren't fond of the idea at all. There are also rumors of turning an empty room into an E-ticket at California Adventure and there are a number of us on MiceChat who hate the idea. It happens. Not to mention the replacement isn't always that special. People don't like the fact that Snow White is getting replaced by an uppity meet and greet.
 

mousehockey37

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I agree. I have no plans to return to WDW. I will use that money at different Disney trips, DCL, ABD and DL. I think there is a small dent with those of us not going and those of us spending more time at UNI. If WDW sees their numbers dwindling maybe they will take action. Otherwise, I'm finding out there is life outside WDW.

This is where they will just step up and recruit their tour groups from other lands. It's the right idea that if everyone stops going that they would have to change things, but they have such a market out there that they'll just bring in more tour groups, sports tournaments, high school bands, etc.

Speaking with your money at WDW will be something you do to make yourself happy.
 

Computer Magic

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This is where they will just step up and recruit their tour groups from other lands. It's the right idea that if everyone stops going that they would have to change things, but they have such a market out there that they'll just bring in more tour groups, sports tournaments, high school bands, etc.

Speaking with your money at WDW will be something you do to make yourself happy.
That may be the case. Time will tell but I don't want anything to do with FP+.

Sadly, many don't know that WDW was once known for quality and profits followed. WDW okay with being slightly better than their competition, however with UNI recent pressing may change the game. Until then I'll spend my hard earned money elsewhere. I'm just glad I decided not to buy into DVC back in 2007.
 

mousehockey37

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Of course. Some people would love it, some would t though. There are strong rumors that Disneyland's Innoventions is getting turned into Stark Expo, and some fans aren't fond of the idea at all. There are also rumors of turning an empty room into an E-ticket at California Adventure and there are a number of us on MiceChat who hate the idea. It happens. Not to mention the replacement isn't always that special. People don't like the fact that Snow White is getting replaced by an uppity meet and greet.

Replacing a ride with a meet and greet isn't exactly innovative, but to go along with the idea of this thread, it takes less effort to maintain a meet and greet location than a ride with moving parts.

Example, look at EPCOT. If over the busiest of holidays, no one rides the Ellen's Energy Adventure, and most of the other rides are at least 45 minute waits (like I said, this is just a hypothetical example), it would make sense that no one will miss it and that it's time to see what could be new and innovative for that space.
 

mousehockey37

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That may be the case. Time will tell but I don't want anything to do with FP+.

Sadly, many don't know that WDW was once known for quality and profits followed. WDW okay with being slightly better than their competition, however with UNI recent pressing may change the game. Until then I'll spend my hard earned money elsewhere. I'm just glad I decided not to buy into DVC back in 2007.

I once heard that you have to spend money to make money. I guess that's not the case anymore. Any business majors out there, feel free to jump in lol ;)
 

Thrill

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I once heard that you have to spend money to make money. I guess that's not the case anymore.

NextGen's pricetag suggests that Disney might think that you need to spend money to make money. NFC and reserved FastPasses are something I could probably build for way less than they spent. Oh, and the least responsive app and website I've ever used.

But I'm just cynical like that, I guess.
 

Nubs70

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Due to impending increases in the costs of employing an individual, many employers are dropping employees to 29 hours per week week or eliminating shift premiums. This includes many different segments of the economy. So please feel free to boycott schools, hospitals and all business entities that are trying to plan ahead so their entire operations do no go under.
 

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