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DavidDL

DavidDL

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bryanfze55 said:
99.5% of people beat it. If this is Mother Nature telling us we’ve overstayed our welcome, she isn’t being very forceful in kicking us out.
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I was thinking more, maybe Mother Nature telling us we're living too long and by extension, overstaying our welcome. The death rate gets worse with age and I guess 95% survival rate at 70+ years could be skewed either way, if Mother Nature is trying to send a message. Merciful/generous or scary, up to you to judge.
 
bryanfze55

bryanfze55

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DavidDL said:
I was thinking more, maybe Mother Nature telling us we're living too long and by extension, overstaying our welcome. The death rate gets worse with age and I guess 95% survival rate at 70+ years could be skewed either way, if Mother Nature is trying to send a message. Merciful/generous or scary, up to you to judge.
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I think the moral of the story begins and ends with “we need to stop eating wild animals.”
 
BuzzedPotatoHead89

BuzzedPotatoHead89

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Dr. Hans Reinhardt said:
Trying to "live with it" is exactly why we are where we are with 210,000 dead and infections running rampant through the White House.
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Yes and no. There’s a difference between “safely live with it” and “live and let live with it”. In fairness I will say that is also attributable to rejecting basic safety protocols (no mask wearing, no social distancing, etc) and contact tracing.

I’d feel much safer spending an 8 hour day at Disneyland wearing a mask, and having a meal or two there than I would visiting the White House where the guidelines are openly flouted.

TWDC has taken the advice of the CDC experts to maximize the tools available to them in terms of opening their parks. Ironically through no fault of Disney and most of Corporate America, lack of contact tracing is still a problem everywhere since there is no single interoperable national database.
 
bryanfze55

bryanfze55

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BuzzedPotatoHead89 said:
Yes and no. There’s a difference between “safely live with it” and “live and let live with it”. In fairness I will say that is also attributable to rejecting basic safety protocols (no mask wearing, no social distancing, etc) and contact tracing.

I’d feel much safer spending an 8 hour day at Disneyland wearing a mask, and having a meal or two there than I would visiting the White House where the guidelines are openly flouted.

TWDC has taken the advice of the CDC experts to maximize the tools available to them in terms of opening their parks. Ironically through no fault of Disney and most of Corporate America, lack of contact tracing is still a problem everywhere since there is no single interoperable national database.
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1/3 of that number is also attributable to taking nursing home patients with COVID-19 from the hospital, putting them back in nursing homes and letting it run rampant through the facility.

Roughly 1/4 of the deaths can be attributed to the virus running roughshod through the densely populated Northeast before anyone knew what was really going on.

The disease is certainly still dangerous for at-risk populations, but there’s little reason to believe that young healthy people (the working population, by and large) can’t keep our engines running with proper masking and social distancing. I’ve said it before to people on here: what’s the alternative? Pretending like we can wait out the virus and still have a viable economy is a pipe dream. Our federal government isn’t going to take care of us. Partisan gridlock means we’re probably not even going to get another stimulus bill. The moratorium on rent and mortgages is over. My state’s maximum weekly unemployment ($325) isn’t enough to survive on. France replaced everyone’s wages at 80%. But the US isn’t going to do that. It’s just time to face reality. Disneyland employees deserve to go back to work.
 
matt9112

matt9112

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el_super said:
My argument is really just stating the current policies of the State of California. Since it's the rule of the land, it's not really pointless.



Disneyland is closed, so other businesses can stay open. It was a desire to re-open the economy sooner, and not tackle the virus early, that has resulted in the lingering infection rates and continued deaths that now justify Disneyland being closed. So the "world" isn't closed at all.



How many people need to die so you can have a fun day at a theme park?




Employees shouldn't have to choose between keeping a job and getting sick/potentially dying. I'm not at all worried about people voluntarily visiting the park, as I am about Cast Members having to make really hard choices.




There is no evidence that the parks in other states have safely reopened, because there is not adequate contact tracing to prove that. Regarding Florida specifically, their number of dead is nearly identical to California, with about half the population. Florida's travel industry is in shambles, despite the parks being reopened, because they have created the impression that the state is not taking the virus seriously, and that travel to Florida is unsafe.



Well... at least I agree on that.
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Your wrong...basically across the board....your arguments essentially all boil down to people will die...yeah we know.
 
DrAlice

DrAlice

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Curious Constance said:
No one has managed to sway anyone’s opinions yet, but it’s only been 7 months of rehashing the same things over and over. The pandemic is still young. You never know when the next post might blow someone’s mind and change their life forever.
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Word.

I seriously need to print this out and post it next to my screen as a reminder. I've been sucked into these stupid arguments more times than I care to admit. And every time I do, I'm sorry I said anything at all.
 
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LastoneOn

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New Zealand locked the island up, went 100 days without a case (August 9). Then they got one.
Vietnam went 99. Then they got one.

So how long you all want to pretend we can get to zero and stay at zero?? Locally a sealed up, isolated, senior center just popped 28 cases. With all the PPE, regulations, restrictions, "highly trained staff" etc etc, they keep getting infections. And you want ME to stay home and rot? You think my nice store bought or homemade mask, or that wonderful Disney mask is going to protect me? The experts can't protect strictly controlled senior centers but yeah, they know exactly how to prevent me from getting this flu. If you want to stay home, run around in a hazmat suit terrified, go ahead. That's not my life, sorry.
 
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GimpYancIent

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LastoneOn said:
New Zealand locked the island up, went 100 days without a case (August 9). Then they got one.
Vietnam went 99. Then they got one.

So how long you all want to pretend we can get to zero and stay at zero?? Locally a sealed up, isolated, senior center just popped 28 cases. With all the PPE, regulations, restrictions, "highly trained staff" etc etc, they keep getting infections. And you want ME to stay home and rot? You think my nice store bought or homemade mask, or that wonderful Disney max is going to protect me? The experts can't protect strictly controlled senior centers but yeah, they know exactly how to prevent me from getting this flu. If you want to stay home, run around in a hazmat suit terrified, go ahead. That's not my life, sorry.
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Impressive. COVID19 is a bit more than a Flu, however, that said. Yes!, get out there and LIVE not just exist. Cocooning up to emerge at some later date is not living.
 
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Tribal Prophet

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LastoneOn said:
New Zealand locked the island up, went 100 days without a case (August 9). Then they got one.
Vietnam went 99. Then they got one.

So how long you all want to pretend we can get to zero and stay at zero?? Locally a sealed up, isolated, senior center just popped 28 cases. With all the PPE, regulations, restrictions, "highly trained staff" etc etc, they keep getting infections. And you want ME to stay home and rot? You think my nice store bought or homemade mask, or that wonderful Disney mask is going to protect me? The experts can't protect strictly controlled senior centers but yeah, they know exactly how to prevent me from getting this flu. If you want to stay home, run around in a hazmat suit terrified, go ahead. That's not my life, sorry.
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No one that lives in the States can say they’re keeping the virus “at zero” or even has any hope of getting close and have any credibility. It’s a dumpster fire in the US right now. One of the worst countries in the world right now.

Theme parks and sports are the rewards for running successful mitigation campaigns against this virus to keep it at bay. But too many Americans demand the reward without sacrificing enough for it like other places have.

The rest of the post was just a giant rambling strawman about hazmat suits, so it’s best to just ignore it.
 
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cmwade77

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Tribal Prophet said:
No one that lives in the States can say they’re keeping the virus “at zero” or even has any hope of getting close and have any credibility. It’s a dumpster fire in the US right now. One of the worst countries in the world right now.

Theme parks and sports are the rewards for running successful mitigation campaigns against this virus to keep it at bay. But too many Americans demand the reward without sacrificing enough for it like other places have.

The rest of the post was just a giant rambling strawman about hazmat suits, so it’s best to just ignore it.
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Hate to tell you, the US isn't the worst in the world once you account for amount of testing and total population.
 
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LastoneOn

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Tribal Prophet said:
No one that lives in the States can say they’re keeping the virus “at zero” or even has any hope of getting close and have any credibility. It’s a dumpster fire in the US right now. One of the worst countries in the world right now.

Theme parks and sports are the rewards for running successful mitigation campaigns against this virus to keep it at bay. But too many Americans demand the reward without sacrificing enough for it like other places have.

The rest of the post was just a giant rambling strawman about hazmat suits, so it’s best to just ignore it.
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Its 137 words. Sorry it exceeded your attention span by what, 130? And you lie: nothing giant or rambling or straw man, and certainly wasn't about hazmat suits. But go ahead, you be you!
 

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