Politics Iger steps down...from CA Task Force

[matt9112]

Boo hoo for Iger. I think he didn’t get what he really wanted for the guidelines. If it too restrictive, sorry stay close!

But Disney world has had no evidence at all of any outbreak or coivd issues...so something magical about California that means these measures wouldn't work?

 

[matt9112]

No one that lives in the States can say they’re keeping the virus “at zero” or even has any hope of getting close and have any credibility. It’s a dumpster fire in the US right now. One of the worst countries in the world right now.

Theme parks and sports are the rewards for running successful mitigation campaigns against this virus to keep it at bay. But too many Americans demand the reward without sacrificing enough for it like other places have.

The rest of the post was just a giant rambling strawman about hazmat suits, so it’s best to just ignore it.

Wierd i have been to Busch gardens dozens of times (as well as seaworld) both far laxer than disney with things and im still alive with no covid....maybe at risk populations should be extra careful and the rest of us can go about our lives.

 

[DLR92]

But Disney world has had no evidence at all of any outbreak or coivd issues...so something magical about California that means these measures wouldn't work?

I’m pretty sure their are unreported cases. Their cases outside of WDW after it open.

 

[matt9112]

I’m pretty sure their are unreported cases. Their cases outside of WDW after it open.

Possible but still not an outbreak...not large clusters bringing community's to there knees...isnt that what covid does? News says so... all sarcasm aside theme parks are clear models on how to deal with lots of people touching the same surfaces all the time and still manage. There is scientifically no reason the California parks cant be open.

 

[el_super]

Possible but still not an outbreak...not large clusters bringing community's to there knees...isnt that what covid does? News says so... all sarcasm aside theme parks are clear models on how to deal with lots of people touching the same surfaces all the time and still manage. There is scientifically no reason the California parks cant be open.

You are confusing two different points as being two sides of the same coin and they aren't. The question of whether it is safe to open Disneyland, and whether Disneyland can be safe are distinct and often getting confused by some folks.

Let's say hypothetically, Disneyland is OK'd to open at 25% capacity (around 15,000 people) per day. And let's say that they have the most stringent and harshly militate response to enforcing COVID guidelines: immediate ejection from the park of any mask wearers, rides closed down for cleaning every hour, no entertainment and no superfluous Cast Members providing guest service or interactions. The absolute most clinical Disneyland experience possible. So let's guess that this experience results in 99% of their guests coming out of their visit without catching COVID. A 99% success rate couldn't' be described as anything other than safe and no one would realistically expect a 100% success rate here.

But that 1% still represents 150 people. Per Day. Just for Disneyland. That's assuming of course that no CM's get sick (they will) and that DCA isn't open. That's also assuming that those 150 stay in isolation and don't end up infecting anyone around them. Alone, that 150 is enough to double the current OC infection rate and force OC's tier status to change, necessitating mall and restaurant closures again. That regression is what is trying to be avoided here.

So yes, Disneyland can provide a safe experience, and it could still not be safe to open Disneyland.

 

[Mac Tonight]

You are confusing two different points as being two sides of the same coin and they aren't. The question of whether it is safe to open Disneyland, and whether Disneyland can be safe are distinct and often getting confused by some folks.

Let's say hypothetically, Disneyland is OK'd to open at 25% capacity (around 15,000 people) per day. And let's say that they have the most stringent and harshly militate response to enforcing COVID guidelines: immediate ejection from the park of any mask wearers, rides closed down for cleaning every hour, no entertainment and no superfluous Cast Members providing guest service or interactions. The absolute most clinical Disneyland experience possible. So let's guess that this experience results in 99% of their guests coming out of their visit without catching COVID. A 99% success rate couldn't' be described as anything other than safe and no one would realistically expect a 100% success rate here.

But that 1% still represents 150 people. Per Day. Just for Disneyland. That's assuming of course that no CM's get sick (they will) and that DCA isn't open. That's also assuming that those 150 stay in isolation and don't end up infecting anyone around them. Alone, that 150 is enough to double the current OC infection rate and force OC's tier status to change, necessitating mall and restaurant closures again. That regression is what is trying to be avoided here.

So yes, Disneyland can provide a safe experience, and it could still not be safe to open Disneyland.

Unless you somehow believe that those same standards wouldn't apply to any other kind of establishment... then why is anything re-open?

You can make the same argument that while cars can provide a safe experience with seatbelts, airbags etc. because people might get into a fatal car-wreck, it's still not safe to drive a car.

Point is, even without Covid around, Disneyland, just like life, was not, is not, and never will be 100% “safe”. I’m shocked you ever felt comfortable enough to go at all.

Also, you from a couple weeks ago.

Not at all. If the numbers stay as low as they are now, and schools reopen without a significant increase in virus load, then I don't see why Disneyland can't re-open. The only thing I am advocating for here is patience. Wait two or three weeks for schools to reopen and the numbers to come in.

 

[el_super]

Unless you somehow believe that those same standards wouldn't apply to any other kind of establishment... then why is anything re-open?

Because government prioritized having other types of businesses open above theme parks. We know there is still local transmission occurring, and infections are still being counted daily. Those daily infections are continuing despite the mask mandates and social distancing and other "safety" measures being pushed, so yes, some risk is being accepted to have the economy reopened. But that's been the point all along: having 150,000 restaurants in OC open > have 2 theme parks open. Accepting 1 doesn't mean having to accept both at twice the price.

You can make the same argument that while cars can provide a safe experience with seatbelts, airbags etc. because people might get into a fatal car-wreck, it's still not safe to drive a car.

Not even close. This would be closer to knowing that doubling the speed limit would double vehicle deaths, and then advocating for their removal. Accepting the basic risk of driving as necessary, does not mean also accepting other more dangerous risks associated with driving. And accepting that opening up businesses to drive the economy, does not mean having to accept ALL businesses need to reopen.

Also, you from a couple weeks ago.

Yeah and I still think we are getting to a place where the numbers can be managed and Disneyland can reopen. The experts don't though, and I still accept that they know more about epidemiology than I do.

It's also pretty telling that, now weeks past when they initially said they were ready to reopen, Disneyland is still adjusting their safety protocols for Cast Members and just this week implemented the free testing for CMs that they had been so opposed to. They clearly weren't ready to reopen in July.

 

[MisterPenguin]

There's a huge difference from a market that has several hundred customers during the day and a few dozen in it at one time from a theme park with 25,000 people in it and 10,000 people in it at one time.

 

[Emmanuel]

Newsom just talked about the theme parks in his weekly briefing today. Still says they're "talking" to not only the larger theme parks but also including the smaller ones in the conversation and stands on a "health-first" approach to whatever new guidelines are being thought up.

 

[Mac Tonight]

Because government prioritized having other types of businesses open above theme parks. We know there is still local transmission occurring, and infections are still being counted daily. Those daily infections are continuing despite the mask mandates and social distancing and other "safety" measures being pushed, so yes, some risk is being accepted to have the economy reopened. But that's been the point all along: having 150,000 restaurants in OC open > have 2 theme parks open. Accepting 1 doesn't mean having to accept both at twice the price.



Not even close. This would be closer to knowing that doubling the speed limit would double vehicle deaths, and then advocating for their removal. Accepting the basic risk of driving as necessary, does not mean also accepting other more dangerous risks associated with driving. And accepting that opening up businesses to drive the economy, does not mean having to accept ALL businesses need to reopen.



Yeah and I still think we are getting to a place where the numbers can be managed and Disneyland can reopen. The experts don't though, and I still accept that they know more about epidemiology than I do.

It's also pretty telling that, now weeks past when they initially said they were ready to reopen, Disneyland is still adjusting their safety protocols for Cast Members and just this week implemented the free testing for CMs that they had been so opposed to. They clearly weren't ready to reopen in July.

Aaaah I get it. We're back to the whole "essential" vs "non-essential" BS. It's a great job Gavin gets to decide who gets to continue supporting their families and who doesn't. Also, the idea that Disneyland is just a business unto itself is laughable. Pretty sure the whole of Anaheim is hurting from their lack of revenue.

 

[el_super]

Aaaah I get it. We're back to the whole "essential" vs "non-essential" BS. It's a great job Gavin gets to decide who gets to continue supporting their families and who doesn't. Also, the idea that Disneyland is just a business unto itself is laughable. Pretty sure the whole of Anaheim is hurting from their lack of revenue.

Keeping infection rates manageable means making sacrifices, and honestly it makes more sense to sacrifice the theme park industry because they create the greatest chance of infection of any other industry. This is no different than cutting out the biggest expenses in your budget, when trying to save money. You cut things like entertainment and travel so that you can still afford food and shelter.

It is tragic that many people in the theme park industry are losing their jobs and they are definitely worthy of our help and assistance. But as others have so wisely pointed out, it's easier to help those who are out of work, than those who are dead.

 

[legwand77]

You are confusing two different points as being two sides of the same coin and they aren't. The question of whether it is safe to open Disneyland, and whether Disneyland can be safe are distinct and often getting confused by some folks.

Let's say hypothetically, Disneyland is OK'd to open at 25% capacity (around 15,000 people) per day. And let's say that they have the most stringent and harshly militate response to enforcing COVID guidelines: immediate ejection from the park of any mask wearers, rides closed down for cleaning every hour, no entertainment and no superfluous Cast Members providing guest service or interactions. The absolute most clinical Disneyland experience possible. So let's guess that this experience results in 99% of their guests coming out of their visit without catching COVID. A 99% success rate couldn't' be described as anything other than safe and no one would realistically expect a 100% success rate here.

But that 1% still represents 150 people. Per Day. Just for Disneyland. That's assuming of course that no CM's get sick (they will) and that DCA isn't open. That's also assuming that those 150 stay in isolation and don't end up infecting anyone around them. Alone, that 150 is enough to double the current OC infection rate and force OC's tier status to change, necessitating mall and restaurant closures again. That regression is what is trying to be avoided here.

So yes, Disneyland can provide a safe experience, and it could still not be safe to open Disneyland.

Where are you getting your transmission rate. oh yes just a wild guess and absolutly wrong. Otherwise people would be infected much more by just going to the grocery store. Even transmission it grocery is a small percentage copmpared to home etc. Your "analysis" is not based in any reality at all much less science.

 

[legwand77]

Newsom just talked about the theme parks in his weekly briefing today. Still says they're "talking" to not only the larger theme parks but also including the smaller ones in the conversation and stands on a "health-first" approach to whatever new guidelines are being thought up.

he is not doing anything until he gets his funding

 

[Mac Tonight]

Keeping infection rates manageable means making sacrifices, and honestly it makes more sense to sacrifice the theme park industry because they create the greatest chance of infection of any other industry. This is no different than cutting out the biggest expenses in your budget, when trying to save money. You cut things like entertainment and travel so that you can still afford food and shelter.

It is tragic that many people in the theme park industry are losing their jobs and they are definitely worthy of our help and assistance. But as others have so wisely pointed out, it's easier to help those who are out of work, than those who are dead.

Can't... handle... the privilege... it's... overwhelming...

OK. Look, I'll level with you. We're not gonna come to a consensus on this.
I guess this is where I nod to you as we pass by each other on opposite sidewalks.
I'd smile, but you wouldn't see it under my mask anyway

 

[el_super]

Where are you getting your transmission rate. oh yes just a wild guess and absolutly wrong. Otherwise people would be infected much more by just going to the grocery store. Even transmission it grocery is a small percentage copmpared to home etc. Your "analysis" is not based in any reality at all much less science.

Ok... what is the transmission rate? Is it more than 1%?

 

[BuzzedPotatoHead89]

Just curious, if California doesn’t get subsidiary funding are public employees (whose salaries are funded and guaranteed per contract by the same city coffers that are now decimated) going to come to the table and take a pay cut in the interest of “public health”? Or are we supposed to go to the same businesses in the “immediate area” and ask them for money they don’t have?

Even if I subscribe to the opinion that these businesses are nothing but a necessary evil that want to put the health of their willing customers at risk, barring a series of bailouts since the state of CA and local governments cannot deficit spend I’m not sure how long any of us can keep the current status quo going. That is unless the current public employee union power brokers in city hall and Sacramento want to eat their vegetables too (in the interest of public health/safety, of course).

 

[Disney Analyst]

 

[TP2000]

What a novel concept. Next thing you know, Sacramento might even send some folks down to Anaheim to take a look-around.

I can only imagine the amount of behind-kissing and carefully curated experiences these Sacramento bureaucrats are going to receive from the WDW team. Josh D'Amaro will probably escort them himself.

Unless they do it the right way and just go anonymously. But that would be too smart for Sacramento, and that's never a bureaucrats style. The Sacramento "team" will want the schmoozy treatment and the welcome dinner and the complimentary Eggs Benedict sent up to their suite every morning at the Grand Floridian.

 

[Lilofan]

What a novel concept. Next thing you know, Sacramento might even send some folks down to Anaheim to take a look-around.

I can only imagine the amount of behind-kissing and carefully curated experiences these Sacramento bureaucrats are going to receive from the WDW team. Josh D'Amaro will probably escort them himself.

Unless they do it the right way and just go anonymously. But that would be too smart for Sacramento. They'll want the schmoozy treatment and the welcome dinner and the complimentary continental breakfast sent up to their suite at the Grand Floridian.

All at CA taxpayer expense.

 

[el_super]

That is unless the current public employee union power brokers in city hall and Sacramento want to eat their vegetables too (in the interest of public health/safety, of course).

Yeah I agree this is going to have long term effects, but most of those were put in motion in January when the virus got a foothold here.

I am surprised, with all the dire warnings being bandied about here, why the long term closures of theme parks across the state hasn't resulted in much public outcry. If you did boil this down to just politics and political favor, how is it that the governor is contiually justified in ignoring the park fans? Why haven't the unions spoke up?