Voxel
President of Progress City
I think your on to something. I heard Fox has an open time spot. This could be the mid season replacement!
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If the WDWMagic Forums existed in the 80s, what would folks be saying?
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harlock2977
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"EPCOT Center is so choice (using the slang of the era) right now in 1988....I can't wait to see how ' (more era specific speech) it's going to be in 2014. I'm sure they will have added even more attractions and rides. But you'll probably have to pay like, 60 bucks to get in, though"
Susan Savia
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...I just love World of Motion and Horizons, I hope it will be here forever and ever.
...50 cents for a post card, egads!!!!
... There's so much to see and do in Innoventions, we could spend hours in there!!!!
...50 cents for a post card, egads!!!!
... There's so much to see and do in Innoventions, we could spend hours in there!!!!
Goofyernmost
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World of Motion would have gotten a lot of conversation because it was fun and comical. Horizons, although busy in it's early years, was just a pleasant little ride and not really appreciated until after it was gone. In the early years there was always a queue line. In later years it was always a walk on. The only real high point that I recall anyone commenting on was the orange smell in the automated grove section. It had died, really. Then when we lost the original Imagination, which had also lost popularity, and WoM, all of a sudden we had a disaster on our hands. With the exception of WoM they all were changed basically due to lack of guest appreciation. The world had changed, the people's attitude had changed and all that sugary edutainment stuff lost favor. Initially Innoventions did have a lot to see, even shows, but it suffered the same fate as the others due to guest just not being interested in being taught on vacation.
Had there been internet at the time... they would have complained about stuff just like now. Compared to now, however, it is a different story. Now it looks like that was pretty good stuff. I agree that Imagination isn't what it used to be and that has resulted in my walking past it on many trips. WoM, although missed by me, has morphed into a fun little car ride that I probably do as much as I would have WoM. Mission Space, in my mind has a much higher degree of repeat, then Horizons had. MS got a bad rap early in it's history and that slowed down the popularity by an awful lot. I liked Horizons but I like MS better.
Goofyernmost
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It wasn't exactly like that, but frankly the only thing that most people remember about the ride was the initial meet up with Dreamfinder and Figment on the turntable part. After that, I'm not afraid to say, it was a bore. I have even watched YouTube recordings of it and I didn't remember any of it other then the beginning. It was indeed a work of art. No denying that, however, that isn't what theme park guests were looking for. They go to museums for that not park rides.
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
There has always been a museum aspect to theme parks.
Maryssa*
Well-Known Member
Amazing perspective quote in there...
"Future hotels probably will not be this large, since most of top management agree that a hotel as large as the Contemporary is just not "right" for Disney. It is too large to give guests the individual attention and service Disney people feel is necessary."
Times have changed indeed.
Figments Friend
Well-Known Member
Indeed.
The very first paragraph alone sums up the culture clash between *Disney Then* and *Disney Now*.....
*In the Magic Kingdom of the entire Disney corporation, emphasis is always placed on the individual-whether he be guest or employee. It is this deep-rooted philosophy - originating from Walt himself - firmly believed and carried out by management, that has been the key to success. It is the constant check for quality and the real, unabashed belief that a guest passing through a turnstile does not necessarily represent a dollar sign. To do this successfully and still maintain a profit is where Disney shines.*
Wow.
Talk about your clash of corporate cultures....
On the flip side, your life kinda sucked if you were black, Latino, gay, a woman, suffering from mental illness, etc....
ParentsOf4
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Vietnam War, oil crisis, Disco, drug use, Nixon, Watergate, Stagflation.
Yeah, I remember the 70s.
And they sucked.
Not all of us romanticize the past.
In the 1970s and 1980s, my group of twentysomethings used to visit WDW on a regular basis and intentionally look for things that were wrong. It became a game for us.
Guess what?
We almost never did find anything. And when we did, it nearly was always fixed before we left. That's what made WDW so special back then.
I cannot even begin to imagine how depressed we'd become if we got together and visited WDW one more time today.
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maxairmike
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This, this times infinity. Also, this quote: "Those who enter the Wonderful World of Disney-whether they be guest or employee - come out a little bit different. Happier. Jubilant, perhaps. They have an experience firmly embedded in their Memory Factory. They've been a part of the Total Show. Disney has changed them. Disney is a Changemaker."
Disney certainly changes folks, especially CMs, but these days I'm finding folks I know are happy to get out of Disney, and as soon as they're off stage, that smile wipes away pretty fast. It also goes back to the clash of corporate cultures clearly illustrated between the two portrayed.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
Vietnam War, oil crisis, Disco, drug use, Nixon, Watergate, Stagflation.
Yeah, I remember the 70s.
And they sucked.
Not all of us romanticize the past.
In defense of Disco, a lot of people were on drugs at that time...in defense of drug use, you had to be high to deal with Disco
. Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
Goofyernmost
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As usual this will not be a popular thought, but, perhaps the reason why Disney seemed so perfect in the 70 was because of what was happening around them. And the 70's were not even the worst. The 60's by sheer volume of deaths was far more difficult to deal with. President Assassinated, MLK Assassinated, Bobby Kennedy Assassinated, thousands of men and women in the Vietnam War were dead, never to fulfill the promise that they held within. By the time the 70's came around the problems that may have been a first to one generation, were old hat and hardly as intense as the older folks had gone through. The generation before that, my parents, lived through the Depression, World War II and the Korean War. Those that experienced that time didn't look for problems and if they were there they were promptly put into perspective and prioritized as the their severity. Not too much that might have been wrong with Disney at that time would have registered very high on the scale. Maybe that is why some of us, see problems, but based on life, discount their importance.
Look around WDW or DL, I'll guarantee you that you will find problems. As hard as they may (or may not) try, the realities of life, science and time will create some. Tell you what, try sitting in a spot with Mortars and Rockets dropping around you, praying that one doesn't hit you on the head, and then find a way to care if an AA isn't working, or there is some paint chipped somewhere. It's not Pixie Dust that we are affected by, it is life. We as separate groups, will always be, but, it won't stop us from seeing the world, the real one or the magic one, through our own unique perspective.
Look around WDW or DL, I'll guarantee you that you will find problems. As hard as they may (or may not) try, the realities of life, science and time will create some. Tell you what, try sitting in a spot with Mortars and Rockets dropping around you, praying that one doesn't hit you on the head, and then find a way to care if an AA isn't working, or there is some paint chipped somewhere. It's not Pixie Dust that we are affected by, it is life. We as separate groups, will always be, but, it won't stop us from seeing the world, the real one or the magic one, through our own unique perspective.
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lazyboy97o
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This just is not supported by the historical record. There are plenty of reports regarding Disney's attention to small details that many might not even notice and go unnoticed elsewhere. Just because you claim not to notice doesn't mean others do not or did not even in the past.
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ParentsOf4
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However, the 1980s were a pretty great time and WDW was as awesome as ever.
What's changed is Disney management's treatment of WDW, not our treatment.
Bill Sullivan and Bob Mathieson (the last of WDW's Old Guard) were forced out by Eisner in 1994. Both men believed in the old WDW where show came before anything else. It's as good of a year as any to pick as the start of the decline.
WDW is worse because today's Disney management treats WDW like an assembly line to be optimized, not like an experience to be enjoyed.
PineapplePrincess
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I have not read all the responses, but I would probably ask, "how do you keep your hair big with all this humidity?"
Goofyernmost
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I don't know what to say. You are not responding to anything I say, only what you think you read between the lines. What historical record? I only said, that people notice or don't notice and then react according to where they were at the time, mentally. I never even said that there weren't more things to notice now then 30 or 40 years ago. All I'm saying is that there are reasons and they are not all sinister. And that we are more likely to notice small things negatively now, because of our mental set as opposed to then. That is my opinion, like it or not.