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yensidtlaw1969
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To be perfectly honest I don't like the Idea of a Hogwarts land in the Magic Kingdom. I especially dislike the Idea of a parkwide Harry Potter Celebration. For one thing, what is the point of the Celebration? Is there some event being commemorated or does the park just feel like Harry Potter should take over the whole park for X amount of time?
Another thing, a parkwide celebration? I'm going to assume that is just limited to MK and I still dislike it. How does Harry Potter fit in to Fronteirland or Adventureland, or Toontown? I don't know if Harry Potter can warrant a whole land in the Magic Kingdom when all other Fantasy stories are in one land. What makes Harry Potter so grand that Winnie the Pooh and Peter Pan get small attractions while Harry Potter gets a whole land? I understand that HP has a very large Fanbase, but it's Dwarfing Disney's achievements, and I don't think that's right.
Also, Because Harry Potter isn't a Disney Achievement I think it would fit better in Magic Kingdom if Based on the Movies or Animal Kingdom if based on the Books ( if Beastly Kingdom were to suffice or some land like that it would fit in Fine ) with all the Mythylogical (spelling?) creatures in it. Whichever, as long as it isn't it's own land in the Magic Kingdom. An attraction in the Magic Kingdom, while I wouldn't make the decision myself I wouldn't die if it happened. As long as it isn't it's own Land. Keep it to Fantasyland. No Hogwarts land. No Parkwide celebration. It could support it, just not in the Magic Kingdom's Realm. It's like you're trying to do too much with it. No offence here, just constructive criticism.
Thats all for now.
Yensid "yes-yes" tlaw1969
Another thing, a parkwide celebration? I'm going to assume that is just limited to MK and I still dislike it. How does Harry Potter fit in to Fronteirland or Adventureland, or Toontown? I don't know if Harry Potter can warrant a whole land in the Magic Kingdom when all other Fantasy stories are in one land. What makes Harry Potter so grand that Winnie the Pooh and Peter Pan get small attractions while Harry Potter gets a whole land? I understand that HP has a very large Fanbase, but it's Dwarfing Disney's achievements, and I don't think that's right.
Also, Because Harry Potter isn't a Disney Achievement I think it would fit better in Magic Kingdom if Based on the Movies or Animal Kingdom if based on the Books ( if Beastly Kingdom were to suffice or some land like that it would fit in Fine ) with all the Mythylogical (spelling?) creatures in it. Whichever, as long as it isn't it's own land in the Magic Kingdom. An attraction in the Magic Kingdom, while I wouldn't make the decision myself I wouldn't die if it happened. As long as it isn't it's own Land. Keep it to Fantasyland. No Hogwarts land. No Parkwide celebration. It could support it, just not in the Magic Kingdom's Realm. It's like you're trying to do too much with it. No offence here, just constructive criticism.
Thats all for now.
Yensid "yes-yes" tlaw1969
yensidtlaw1969 said:
Actually, if you look closely, what would Frontierland have to do with fantasyland? what would adventureland have to do with tomorowland? the original concept for Disneyland called for a place where the movies came to life. Frontierland=westerns, Adventureland= nature films, Fantasyland= the animated disney movies, tomorrowland=sci-fi. and in Disneyland, Star Tours is in Tomorrowland, and Star Wars is not a disney achievement neither is Indiana Jones.
I thought about putting it in MGM but the amount of fantasy and the beauty of it all would just end up being under appreciated and un justified if it were put in MGM and regarded as just another movie ride. The whole concept just screams "put me in MK" where it would seamlessly blend into Fantasyland and the over all sense of magic that is associated witht he park. and the celebration only lasts for the summer
I personally don't like Harry Potter but it does have a really cool mythology in it that's really worth looking in to. It's just one tiny land, it won't dwarf everything else [it won't be anywhere near the grandeur of all the renovations in Fantasyland and Frontierland], especially considering all the other parks are dedicated to everything disney.
The reason for the park wide celebration I guess would be the release of the 7th film
[I hate the HP movies by the way]I'm also hoping to draw in Harry potter fans who otherwise loathe disney and make them realize how great all the other disney attractions are.
and it's not really a full blown land but another one of Fantasyland's sub-lands. The "land" term is for marketing purposes
ETA:
I've decided to scale back on the attractions for the sub land there's only gonna be a restaurant, an octopus ride themed to the whomping willow and the big e-ticket. I'm taking out the the kiddie coaster, dark ride, and AA-meet-and-greet.
I'm also considering getting rid of the entrance-via-the hogwarts express feature.
concept art of what was supposed to be the hidden mini-land as seen past the train station
yensidtlaw1969
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I think you misunderstood me. It's not that I didn't think a Hogwarts land would fit into the MK, it's that the Parkwide celebration would not fit in. Celebrating Harry Potter in Fronteirland and Adventureland and Toontown doesn't make sense is what I was trying to say is all.
Have a nice day!
PS: Now that I've heard what you wanted to do I feel stupid, because I kinda like the Whomping Willow Idea and the Darkride (if you could share more info . . . ?). Just not for MK, or if in MK just the E-Ticket, no subland. A diamond necklace is nice, but add diamonds to everything you wear and you get Gaudy ( meant in best possible way):lol: .
Yensid "diamonds-are-SHIIIIIINY" tlaw1969
Have a nice day!
PS: Now that I've heard what you wanted to do I feel stupid, because I kinda like the Whomping Willow Idea and the Darkride (if you could share more info . . . ?). Just not for MK, or if in MK just the E-Ticket, no subland. A diamond necklace is nice, but add diamonds to everything you wear and you get Gaudy ( meant in best possible way):lol:
.Yensid "diamonds-are-SHIIIIIINY" tlaw1969
park wide doesn't literally mean park wide it's just 3 big shows that will tell a sort of story of the Tri-Wizard Tournament 
anyway, I just took a look at the master plan for MK and holy crap MK has 64 attractions
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I'll soon be elaborating on what will be the Magic Kingdom's signature attraction: Kingdom Hearts, a "mega dark ride" that will occupy most of the northeastern part of MK as well as, along with the Harry Potter ride and Space Mountain, balance out all the activity on the western side of the park which has most of the giant thrill e-tickets.
The over-all vastness of the new Magic Kingdom will turn it into a navigational and crowd management nightmare which is why the Walt Disney World Railroad will be used as a primary transportation system to all of the lands. Meanwhile, the Tomorrowland Transit Authority will be extending all the way to Toontown and will also be used as transportation. The major shows will be strategically timed to help with crowd control. There will be no night parade.
Kingdom Hearts and HP will be MK's last major attractions for a long, long time. most of the financial and creative resources will focus on the other 4 parks as well as resort-wide enhancements.
The next big project for WDW will be a brand new transportation system that connects all 5 parks, their respective signature resorts [Grand Floridian, Mediterranean, Coruscant, Hollywood Hotel, Animal Kingdom Lodge] and the two major commercial areas [Downtown, Uptown(renamed the Walt Disney Plaza)].
it's just 3 big shows that will tell a sort of story of the Tri-Wizard Tournament anyway, I just took a look at the master plan for MK and holy crap MK has 64 attractions
!!!!I'll soon be elaborating on what will be the Magic Kingdom's signature attraction: Kingdom Hearts, a "mega dark ride" that will occupy most of the northeastern part of MK as well as, along with the Harry Potter ride and Space Mountain, balance out all the activity on the western side of the park which has most of the giant thrill e-tickets.
The over-all vastness of the new Magic Kingdom will turn it into a navigational and crowd management nightmare which is why the Walt Disney World Railroad will be used as a primary transportation system to all of the lands. Meanwhile, the Tomorrowland Transit Authority will be extending all the way to Toontown and will also be used as transportation. The major shows will be strategically timed to help with crowd control. There will be no night parade.
Kingdom Hearts and HP will be MK's last major attractions for a long, long time. most of the financial and creative resources will focus on the other 4 parks as well as resort-wide enhancements.
The next big project for WDW will be a brand new transportation system that connects all 5 parks, their respective signature resorts [Grand Floridian, Mediterranean, Coruscant, Hollywood Hotel, Animal Kingdom Lodge] and the two major commercial areas [Downtown, Uptown(renamed the Walt Disney Plaza)].
FigmentJedi
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I actually have been toying with the idea of a Kingdom Hearts park, exploring all the worlds in the game. Is the queue/preshow for the ride going to be the "Awakening" like in the begining of the game.
^ Yes, you even get to choose between the Sword, the Staff and the Shield. It's essentially 3 rides in one. It would also help launch an MMORPG based on the mythology of the 5 WDW theme parks.
along with this would come a novel, a japanese manga series, and a japanese anime.
along with this would come a novel, a japanese manga series, and a japanese anime.
FigmentJedi
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What are Jirachi and Ang from Avatar doing in there?
Those are characters from a story I made which were "inspired" by Jirachi and Ang
anyway here are the first 7 WDW inspired locations for the RPG:
http://www.imgdump.net/images/locations.jpg
this was originally a separate project of mine that doesn't have anythng to do with WDW, but then I figured it could help promote the place since the settings are inspired by WDW. Those are old sketches I made when I was bored at school
anyway here are the first 7 WDW inspired locations for the RPG:
http://www.imgdump.net/images/locations.jpg
this was originally a separate project of mine that doesn't have anythng to do with WDW, but then I figured it could help promote the place since the settings are inspired by WDW. Those are old sketches I made when I was bored at school
FigmentJedi
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You could be a bit more original in character design though. I see that Jirachi is in the Discovery Island world, the Sprite from Fantasia 2000 would totally work in that position too...
you're right, the Fantasia 2000 Sprite would be perfect! thanks, my muse
FigmentJedi
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Now what's the story of the game anyway? I can identify the environments and at least two of the signature characters(outside of Jirachi) in some(Captain Nemo in Vulcania and the Yeti at Everest). The other environments would be Discovery Island as I said before, Africa with Mount Kilimanjaro, Arabian Coast, and some hybrid area looking like Lost River Delta and Mermaid Lagoon(or is it Discovery Bay with Professor Marvel as the signature character?)
The main story is about this boy who goes on a quest to find out the meaning of life and why he was sent to the island in which he lives in right now. i don't really wanna elaborate on the story right now since It's supposed to be completely separate from the parks but i will give a rundown of the environments.
"Destiny Islands" - taken from Kingdom Hearts with cameos from Mermaid Lagoon, Neverland, and Fire Mountain.
"Mediterranean Harbour" [with a hint of Discovery Bay]
"Vulcania" [Mysterious Island]
"Africa"
"Zerka Zong" [Everest]
"Beastlie Kingdomme" [Basically an amalgam of AK]
basically, all the great environments dreamed up for the parks would be turned to inhabit one sprawling world where fantasy and discovery collide. and each location has a "wise man" from which the hero must seek knowledge from.
I'm modfying this to include disney characters in the mix
"Destiny Islands" - taken from Kingdom Hearts with cameos from Mermaid Lagoon, Neverland, and Fire Mountain.
"Mediterranean Harbour" [with a hint of Discovery Bay]
"Vulcania" [Mysterious Island]
"Africa"
"Zerka Zong" [Everest]
"Beastlie Kingdomme" [Basically an amalgam of AK]
basically, all the great environments dreamed up for the parks would be turned to inhabit one sprawling world where fantasy and discovery collide. and each location has a "wise man" from which the hero must seek knowledge from.
I'm modfying this to include disney characters in the mix
FigmentJedi
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Do you think that you will add some Epcot and Magic Kingdom locations into the mix. Because the Dreamport wouldn't make too bad a world for this. On another note, I've been planning a Kingdom Hearts fanfiction myself(which of course would be started as I get closer to completing Battle for Disney) with a high emphasis on park characters and Figment as a Keyblade wielder with his main team consisting of the Dreamseekers(Elfin as a white mage, Cosmo as a black mage and Leonardo as the Gummi Ship expert) and Madame Leota(falling into the Chronicler role like Jiminy Cricket had but assisting in combat) as they travel many worlds looking for Dreamfinder,fighting the Heartless and more Disney villians and seeking a lost ancient king from the age when the True Light reigned (*coughWaltcough*) eventually coming across Sora at Hollow Bastion, merging their journey with his. Worlds I've planned so far include Epcot in the Destiny Islands spot(mostly Future World based), Thunder Mesa, Chickapin Hill, Wonderland(Based more on Thru the Mirror), Mata Nui, Vulcania, Monstropolis, Primeval World(Dinosaur), Hawaii(Lilo and Stitch), and Neverland(on the Island itself). I've got some more but I can't think of them now...
Epcot is in the sequel which is a space opera, and MK is the secret last land in the first one.
the rpg and stories will be used to further promote WDW
the rpg and stories will be used to further promote WDW
FigmentJedi
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Got plans on how these expansions would be phased? I would say go with the Fantasyland and Animal Kingdom expansions earlier, as Kingdom Hearts would need to come a bit quicker before it seems dated(granted, how you are telling the story of the game within may help its longetivity a great deal). Port Disney would probably be a good idea once Animal Kingdom is fleshed out more.
I used to have a plan on how to phase it out, doing them in pairs starting with MK (the major overhaul of Frontierland) and EPCOT (The new countries). after they are done, MGM (land zoning and expansion) and AK (BK and Amazon) would then follow. and then back to MK (Fantasyland redo+Shadowland) and continued work on MGM (Toon Studios, Animation department expansion). leading to the reveal of "Port Disney" and the Uptown Disney shopping and recreation area just in time for the 45th with the first incarnation of "Brave New Worlds" which introduces 5 major new attractions along with the resort wide monorail expansion following for the 50th. Meanwhile, the other attractions would be separately introduced during the 5 year gap.
after that would be the major expansion of AK with "Oceana", it's new land dedicated to animals of the sea along with a plethora of new hotels [MGM's Hollywood Hotel, Coruscant for EPCOT, Amazon Towers Lodge for AK, the Ambassador Hotel for MK, the Venetian for PD] and a new fast pass system that categorizes a particular resort to a particular theme park wherein guests will have automatic fast pass for them.
this would be supported by the slew of new celebrations for the resort [festival of music, seasons of love, share the world, disney halloween, coaster kingdom, Disney-MGM's Pop century sponsored by VH1, Midnight Magic, Food and Wine Festival, Flower and Garden Festival now extended to AK, Holiday Traditions]
the celebrations would help fund the second incarnation of "Brave New Worlds" which would have the non-50th version of "Kingdom of Dreams" fireworks for MK, The Beautification of Future World in EPCOT, The Seasonal "American Idol" attraction for MGM which will bring in lots of publicity as it would coincide with the new season of the show and also act as a prime audition location, the "Festival of the Seasons" Night pageant for AK, and "Kongfrontation" for PD.
MK's Adventureland then goes down for a massive makeover with the introduction of "Fire Mountain". While MGM receives the Godzilla attraction. The new minor attractions would all be introduced throughout.
this would culminate to the 3rd year of "Brave New Worlds" which once again focuses on E-tickets for all the parks.
from the initial large-scale exapansions up till the "Five Corners of Our World" promotion, expansion and enhancement would be rampant and continuous through out the resort.
"The Five Corners of Our World" promo will bring fourth 5 final major attractions to each park before taking a break from the large-scale growth period. The first of the 5 attractions is Kingdom Hearts.
Kingdom Hearts would be MK's last great attraction before it goes on an expansion hiatus
after that would be the major expansion of AK with "Oceana", it's new land dedicated to animals of the sea along with a plethora of new hotels [MGM's Hollywood Hotel, Coruscant for EPCOT, Amazon Towers Lodge for AK, the Ambassador Hotel for MK, the Venetian for PD] and a new fast pass system that categorizes a particular resort to a particular theme park wherein guests will have automatic fast pass for them.
this would be supported by the slew of new celebrations for the resort [festival of music, seasons of love, share the world, disney halloween, coaster kingdom, Disney-MGM's Pop century sponsored by VH1, Midnight Magic, Food and Wine Festival, Flower and Garden Festival now extended to AK, Holiday Traditions]
the celebrations would help fund the second incarnation of "Brave New Worlds" which would have the non-50th version of "Kingdom of Dreams" fireworks for MK, The Beautification of Future World in EPCOT, The Seasonal "American Idol" attraction for MGM which will bring in lots of publicity as it would coincide with the new season of the show and also act as a prime audition location, the "Festival of the Seasons" Night pageant for AK, and "Kongfrontation" for PD.
MK's Adventureland then goes down for a massive makeover with the introduction of "Fire Mountain". While MGM receives the Godzilla attraction. The new minor attractions would all be introduced throughout.
this would culminate to the 3rd year of "Brave New Worlds" which once again focuses on E-tickets for all the parks.
from the initial large-scale exapansions up till the "Five Corners of Our World" promotion, expansion and enhancement would be rampant and continuous through out the resort.
"The Five Corners of Our World" promo will bring fourth 5 final major attractions to each park before taking a break from the large-scale growth period. The first of the 5 attractions is Kingdom Hearts.
Kingdom Hearts would be MK's last great attraction before it goes on an expansion hiatus
FigmentJedi
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Big plans there... What are the other four big attractions?
the other four are still under wraps, basically they will be attractions that define the over-all concept of each parks with Kingdom Hearts showcasing the fantasy and magic of what has become the mythology that has come to be associated with 'disney'.