FigmentDream
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May I aks why?
This seems rather odd, I think every other castle has one worked in somewhere, even a rather small one could not be put in?!?.......
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May I aks why?
This seems rather odd, I think every other castle has one worked in somewhere, even a rather small one could not be put in?!?.......
Wannabe Walt
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Sorry WDWFREAK, I'm not going to put a stage in Adventureland. There will be a medium sized open area with an outdoor amphitheatre for a show I will describe later, but that and Enchanted Tiki Room are the only two. By the way, the Enchanted Tiki Room is back to the normal one in DL. I will post some pictures soon!
First, to my knowledge, only Cinderella Castle in WDW and TDL have stages. Disneyland certainly doesn't and DLP only has a smaller stage to the side of the Castle.
Secondly, I think it would clash too much with theming. It's Ok for Cinderella since that film carries a sort of celebration film with the Royal Bal, but I just can't see there being a stage where a cast of ever-smiling Disney characters sing and dance in the shaddows of the castle of the tempermental Beast. It's just not happening.
imagineer boy
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Aww, shucks folks, I'm speechless.
You're right though, the ballroom thing is a bit much. Oh well, just pretend it's not there.
By the way, in case you didn't see it, I have a new map of Tomorrowland that lables all of the resturaunts there.
Also, Wannabe Walt, for the Tiki room, at least add a couple of new songs in there.
FigmentDream
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You are right about the stages, I thought DL had one worked int here somewhere but you are right, but that still is 3 out of 4 in the castle proximity
I think your reasoning is a bit of a stretch, since we are first of all modeling the castle off of the "good" version and the castle's from an exterior perspective never really exclude their theme because they are the central icon of the whole park, overreaching that theme damages the theme of the whole park. The castle as a whole is supposed to be the fanciful gateway into Fantasyland the transition from reality ot imagination, the specific theme of each castle only comes to play once you actually enter the castle then you have entered the Fantasy world and stepped into the first of several stories you will encounter on your journey.
I think you and WierdOne should at-least talk about this and try to come up with a compromise it is a bit unfair to simply state it will not happen, this is a group effort and WierdOne constantly comes up with amazing entertainment ideas, it would be a shame not to be able to prominently display them with special events infront of the castle.
imagineer boy
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Actually, come to think of it, DL has a stage. But it's far off to the right of the castle called the plaza gardens. Every once in a while a choir sings there and bands and orchestras play there as well. Atleast have that. The tempermental beast won't be at the castle because the look of the castle is remenisant of when Bell and the Prince get married and the enchanted spell is broken. Have choiors sing and musicians paly in front of the castle every once in a while to fill the place up with nice music. To the side of the castle could be a small ampetheater that has small shows with Disney characters. By the way, I've just added a map of Tomorrowland with the shops in the pictures thread.
All right, I didn't think getting rid of one stage would cause so much controversy. I just don't particularly like the idea of the Castle stage, and, if fact, didn't really like the one at WDW until they started the Cinderella show which is perfect for the theming. I refuse to just give in, but I will make a compromise. I will add a Castle Stage if you come up with a show concept I approve. The only condition is that if the Beast is in it, he must be the Beast, not the Prince. Otherwise, it will clash with his transformation in the fireworks show. And, like I mentioned, there is still a theater able to be used at the Plaza Gardens that would be just as good as a venue as a Castle Stage (Maybe better, there would be seats).
And, as far as it being "a bit unfair to simply state it will not happen", I find it more unfair to post demands and tell others to make "radical changes" to our plans. Sorry, but that's just how I feel.
And, as far as it being "a bit unfair to simply state it will not happen", I find it more unfair to post demands and tell others to make "radical changes" to our plans. Sorry, but that's just how I feel.
Wannabe Walt
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imagineer boy
Well-Known Member
Looks good Wannabe Walt, but I thought you said that the jungle cruise went around Hook island. In the picture Hook Island is an island just by its self and the Jungle cruise is seperate.
FigmentDream
Member
And the Excavator, we did agree on this right?!?
FigmentDream
Member
All I was asking for was a compromise, if you are aware of the special events they do in Tokyo I think you would find a castle stage to be essential too. This is a group effort though so I am still disturbed by the fact that you still continue to make ultimatums such as. "I will add a Castle Stage if you come up with a show concept I approve", this is a group effort and while many of the participants may be heading up individual parts I think more than one person should be making the decisions with majority rule. Please don't think I am trying to get on your case specifically, I realize that WierdOne made similar ultimatums as well and I happened to agree with him about the castle stage, I however disagree that there needs to be a stage in each land.
My only point is we need to make sure we work as a group and where individuals clash we need to comprise as much as we can
WeirdOne
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Okay, I will be as breif as possible. The castle stage is temporary thing. That's why when there's no show, there's no stage. That's what I feel you don't understand about this, or maybe you do. All the parks have a castle stage of some sort. At DL, they can actually put one up when needed (I.E. - 10th Anniversary Show) and WDW has one currently. Tokyo is constantly errecting them for special events and shows and Paris has one off to the side, but they never use it because Paris' entertainment sucks. Sorry for making such ultimatems also, but if you want a realistic project, think realisticly. If you want special shows, or events infront of the castle or near it you need a stage. If you want themed character shows, you need a decent sized Fantasyland stage, each of the currenty resorts have one. I managed to fit one in and I can fit on in yours by very easily redesigning some things here and there.
Second, as for other lands, Adventureland for example, there go all your Tarzan, Mardi Gras, etc shows because it limits the land to just atmosphere entertainment, and same goes for all the other lands. Be real here, all lands in pretty much all parks have some form of stages.
And about your nighttime idea, there's potential to it, but there's so much more you count off. As Figment has stated, I am great when it comes to entertainment and let me tell you, you have no clue what I can do with that idea, but again, you refuse to have a castle stage erected or even placed in some other lands.
Okay, so much for being breif. If any of this has caused too much strife, I'll just drop out of this. Better to be all happy than always fighting, right? - The WeirdOne
Second, as for other lands, Adventureland for example, there go all your Tarzan, Mardi Gras, etc shows because it limits the land to just atmosphere entertainment, and same goes for all the other lands. Be real here, all lands in pretty much all parks have some form of stages.
And about your nighttime idea, there's potential to it, but there's so much more you count off. As Figment has stated, I am great when it comes to entertainment and let me tell you, you have no clue what I can do with that idea, but again, you refuse to have a castle stage erected or even placed in some other lands.
Okay, so much for being breif. If any of this has caused too much strife, I'll just drop out of this. Better to be all happy than always fighting, right? - The WeirdOne
OK, how's this for a compromize. No permanant Castle Stage, but a stage can be put in the Hub for Special Events such as anniversary shows of such. I assumed that you wanted a permanent stage such as the one at WDW. A big stage for special events is just fine by me. Also, I keep saying, the Plaza Gardens is available for a Mickey Mouse kind of character show and actually a permanent stage in the Hub would be pretty good too (put it in the center insteed of the Partner's Statue). Not sure what else I can do for you. Fantasyland is completely full.
As for all the lands having stages, MK only has 2 (and one is closed) and it's doing just fine. Let's not go overboard with entertainment.
And as for the nighttime show, don't worry about it. I've got it taken care of. Just trust me, I'll post a summery of the show soon.
As for all the lands having stages, MK only has 2 (and one is closed) and it's doing just fine. Let's not go overboard with entertainment.
And as for the nighttime show, don't worry about it. I've got it taken care of. Just trust me, I'll post a summery of the show soon.
imagineer boy
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By the way, I've got an idea, when the park opens in the morning, they could have many Disney characters come out from the castle and do a little dance routine. Just my idea.
I like the idea. It would be a great opening cerimony. I can see Sorcerer Mickey standing at the top tower of the Castle and a band playing. Belle and the Beast come out of the Castle in their full ball room attire followed by a large cast of Disney friends. They can do a small show at the stage in the center of the Hub. The Characters would then go to Fantasyland where they would do meet and greets.
imagineer boy
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Well, I suppose I'm done with Tomorrowland, so, ON TO TOON TOWN!!!!!!!:sohappy:
Rides:
Roger Rabbit's Car-Toon Spin: new concept with Spider Man technology and more.
Gyro Gearloose's Gizmatic Coaster: Barnstormer-like kiddie ride.
Professor Ludwic Van Drake's Invention Exchange: an indoor area offering many things. I will have an indoor wild mouse coaster in it, many cartoony interactive machines and a simulator ride. I'll explain more later.
Mickey's House with Meet Mickey in Mickey's Movie Barn
Minnie's House
Chip'n Dale's Tree House
Goofy's House: Sort of like a house of illusions. I'll explain more later.
Donald's boat
Hewy, Dewy, and Loui's Crazy Rafts: Wild raft ride.
Shops:
Gag Factory
Toons inc.
Resturaunts:
The Ink and Paint Club: character dining with live entertainment.
Daisey's Diner
Pluto's Hot Dogs
Well, that's it! Tell me what you think!
:sohappy:
Rides:
Roger Rabbit's Car-Toon Spin: new concept with Spider Man technology and more.
Gyro Gearloose's Gizmatic Coaster: Barnstormer-like kiddie ride.
Professor Ludwic Van Drake's Invention Exchange: an indoor area offering many things. I will have an indoor wild mouse coaster in it, many cartoony interactive machines and a simulator ride. I'll explain more later.
Mickey's House with Meet Mickey in Mickey's Movie Barn
Minnie's House
Chip'n Dale's Tree House
Goofy's House: Sort of like a house of illusions. I'll explain more later.
Donald's boat
Hewy, Dewy, and Loui's Crazy Rafts: Wild raft ride.
Shops:
Gag Factory
Toons inc.
Resturaunts:
The Ink and Paint Club: character dining with live entertainment.
Daisey's Diner
Pluto's Hot Dogs
Well, that's it! Tell me what you think!
:sohappy:
Looks pretty good. One thing I'm concerned about is having a Von Drake indoor wild mouse coaster because 1) The park already has 5 or so coasters already and 2) it might be too similar to the Mr. Toad indoor coaster. Also, that's a lot of attractions for a Toontown. I would also make the Huey Dewey and Louie ride a tamer boat ride since Tootown is geared more towards kids.
WeirdOne
New Member
Just some more words. The one at WDW is not permanent. Again, all of the castle stages are temporary and erected along with the CASTLE THEMEING for special events only. They are not permananet.
I can redesign your Fantasyland and still have plenty of room for expansion. Sometimes you need to look at things more carefully and differently.
By the way, MK may have two stages, but look at their entertainment - basic. Tokyo has at least 7 and their entertianment is top-notch. In case you haven't noticed, it's ever changing and new entertianment that brings people in when your thinking of new rides to add, not other things. Why do you think Tokyo is top attendance at a park WORLDWIDE! They have the most quality entertainment.
By the way, my nighttime show is called "Blazin' Rhythms" and I can actually incorporate your ending into it. It's actually quite an amazing show, if I do say so myself. I don't want to post it for fear of getting rejected and the idea compromized into something else. Just think how catchy mine sounds "Blazin' Rhythms." Plus, mine has a very general idea and will actually make a nighttime spectacular with a stage show going along with the fireworks. Again, I can't tell you anything about it because I'd like to see yours first and show you mine can be better and still keep your transformation in it.
By the way, I will like a temporary stage, it's what I've been asking all along. - The WeirdOne
Wannabe Walt
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imagineer boy
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Originally posted by Wannabe Walt
Wierd One.... are you bragging that yours will defiently be better than Meeko's? Cause I would like to read both of them and prove that right or WRONG! Also, I have a new map. here it is!!!
Well, looks good, but I suppose that you're not having an Excavator ride. By the way, I thought you said that the Jungle Cruise would go around Hook Island, and where do guests come into the land? I looks like it's all independant. How are guests gettign in and out?