Idea!

[imagineer boy]

Originally posted by FigmentDream
Ummmm I do not get the timelessness issue at all considering the Jungle Cruise is colonial britain, PoC is well Pirates, how is the search for Dinosaurs not timeless or at-least as timeless as the other things in the area.

DOn't forget this is our park we can make it anything we want, we could shift the theme of the Excavator to just any archaeological dig in general.

What's wrong with another coaster?, many people like them, part of Disney's problem is that in the past they have tired too hard to focus only on families with younger kids, well I think many other parks can tell you that families with teenage kids have a lot of money to spend too, I think there would be nothing wrong with having a coaster in each land. Coasters can be greatly themed too......

It could have a coaster, but it would have to be themed well. It can't be like the Hulk coaster where there is a story in the qeue and get in the roller coaster and go through a bunch of loops that don't really belong in the story. It would have to be themed like Big Thunder Mountain. I don't think Dinosaurs belong in Adventureland. The Adventureland theme is set in far away tropical places. Think of Walt Disney's true life Adventure Films. Besides, we're eventually going to make a new theme park when we're done with this. The other theme park could have some dinosaur theme in its lands or somthing. Let's just leave Adventureland the way Wannabe Walt had it and continue with our own lands and let Wannabe Walt do Frontierland.

 

[FigmentDream]

Originally posted by imagineer boy
It could have a coaster, but it would have to be themed well. It can't be like the Hulk coaster where there is a story in the queue and get in the roller coaster and go through a bunch of loops that don't really belong in the story. It would have to be themed like Big Thunder Mountain. I don't think Dinosaurs belong in Adventureland. The Adventureland theme is set in far away tropical places. Think of Walt Disney's true life Adventure Films. Besides, we're eventually going to make a new theme park when we're done with this. The other theme park could have some dinosaur theme in its lands or something. Let's just leave Adventureland the way Wannabe Walt had it and continue with our own lands and let Wannabe Walt do Frontierland.

Just to clarify the theme would not be dinosaurs the theme would be an archaeological dig for dinosaur bones, or for some sort to lost city in a dense jungle setting, the queue would be at like some base camp, winding through dense jungle foliage then you are told that your excavation group has been put on assignment on the in the vast canyon, to get you down they have prepared chains of mining carts for you to ride down in attached to the carts would be all the excavating equipment you would need, shortly into the caverns though as you start to pass bones embedded in the walls or pieces of a fallen city, the track switch ahead of you is stuck and when one of the other excavators (AA), there goes to switch the track but the lever is stuck and he can not it, he franticly yells out to you but it is too late and you have gone off the track (visible the rest of the track is embedded in the floor) and you careening down through the excavated caves and caverns and then out into dense jungles areas and ancient ruins before finally crashing back into the base camp.

So yes it would be well themed, and I am fully aware of the setting of Adventureland.

 

[imagineer boy]

Originally posted by FigmentDream
Just to clarify the theme would not be dinosaurs the theme would be an archaeological dig for dinosaur bones, or for some sort to lost city in a dense jungle setting, the queue would be at like some base camp, winding through dense jungle foliage then you are told that your excavation group has been put on assignment on the in the vast canyon, to get you down they have prepared chains of mining carts for you to ride down in attached to the carts would be all the excavating equipment you would need, shortly into the caverns though as you start to pass bones embedded in the walls or pieces of a fallen city, the track switch ahead of you is stuck and when one of the other excavators (AA), there goes to switch the track but the lever is stuck and he can not it, he franticly yells out to you but it is too late and you have gone off the track (visible the rest of the track is embedded in the floor) and you careening down through the excavated caves and caverns and then out into dense jungles areas and ancient ruins before finally crashing back into the base camp.

So yes it would be well themed, and I am fully aware of the setting of Adventureland.

That's a pretty good idea Figment Dream! What do you think Wannabe Walt?

 

[meeko_33785]

It may just be me, but it sounds too similar to BTMR. I'm not sure they would work in the same park together. Just my thought.

 

[FigmentDream]

Originally posted by meeko_33785
It may just be me, but it sounds too similar to BTMR. I'm not sure they would work in the same park together. Just my thought.

I knew someone was going to say that, but the whole style will be very different, there will be no west-look to it and it will be more intense than BTMR not much more but more, it will go through jungles and the tunnels will not be of the same rock, the main part will be in the jungle the tunnels are just to get the speed up as you go downward then out into the jungle and through ruins, it will feel much like the Indy coaster at DLP and it has both BTMR and this coaster fine, in-fact it will seem even less because the track will be embedded in the floor so there will only be the mine style track for a short period then it will seem like your mine car(which would be the same car as DLP INdy) would be speeding through the jungle terrain. In-fact this could be put near Indy to have a sort of archaeological sub-section to Adventureland with lot's of ruins and such.

 

[daoVinci]

Sorry to be coming to this discussion so late, guys, but I'd like to get in on this.

Why not let this Acheological Coaster be a new Indy Themed attraction. You still have a (late) colonial brittish setting tying into JC, and would also make a decent transition to the Mercado, depending on how the park is laid out.

Also, I have an idea for something to replace/augment the fireworks show centered on the B&B castle.

Have the castle looking nice, bright and cheerful during the day. The finale begins with bright, cheery lighting on the castle and the into from the movie begins plaing. When it gets to the point of the enchantress casting her spell, the entire castle makes a transition. Much more gothic. Incredibly dark. Lighting shifts, dark colors, lots of shaddows to heighten the effect.

The entire castle is also a series of stages at different levels. ground level: Maurice and phillipe arrive, gets imprisoned.
Next level: Belle finds her father and trades places.
Third level: She finds the rose and gets yelled at
Fourth level: Beast gives her library, ballroom scene, released

Next, the mob approaches to castle following Gaston. There is a fight at ground level, then gaston is spotted among hte towers fighting the beast. Gaston falls, beast dies, belle cries, transformation.

In the end, Castle is back to its normal bright, cheery self.

The end.

I can see it in my head and it's less complicated than it might sound. Might make a nice alternative to the standard fireworks show.

Thoughts?

 

[FigmentDream]

Originally posted by daoVinci

Why not let this Acheological Coaster be a new Indy Themed attraction. You still have a (late) colonial brittish setting tying into JC, and would also make a decent transition to the Mercado, depending on how the park is laid out.

One Indy attraction is enough, my point was if we made this just general archaeologically themed it would pose as a nice transition from the general Adventureland to this ruin like archeaological dig area to Indy.


As far as your firework idea, despite not complete understanding what you are describing the general show on the castle should not be tied to a specific story in my opinion, if you wanted to have this along with a more general show and only use the B&B show for a seasonal time period then it might be appropriate

 

[daoVinci]

Originally posted by FigmentDream
One Indy attraction is enough, my point was if we made this just general archaeologically themed it would pose as a nice transition from the general Adventureland to this ruin like archeaological dig area to Indy.

Right. Make it a NEW Indy attraction instead of carbon copying an idea already in use somewhere else.

As far as your firework idea, despite not complete understanding what you are describing the general show on the castle should not be tied to a specific story in my opinion, if you wanted to have this along with a more general show and only use the B&B show for a seasonal time period then it might be appropriate

Why is that?

 

[FigmentDream]

Originally posted by daoVinci
Right. Make it a NEW Indy attraction instead of carbon copying an idea already in use somewhere else.



Why is that?

We already an Indy EMV attraction in the park, there is no need to have TWO Indy attractions in the same park, so just leaving it at a general Archaeological Theme would be best, and like I said before, it would blend the one section of Adventureland into the Indy section.

Just because we are using the same ride format does not mean it will be a carbon copy look at the TDS version vs DL even the little extra effects like the fire ring make the ride experience very different, we can also make different rooms, corridors and such too, it will not appear to be a copy of anything out there.

Second while the castle does have a specific theme on a whole note it is the central icon for the park and in that sense must then display a broader theme applicable to the whole park. THe theme of this MK is not B&B so displaying that as the only show would not be thematically accurate, the general fireworks displays never really have an identifying theme to them other than basically fantasy/imagination while this is more prone to the sub-theme that Fantasyland represents on a broader scale the whole park does too. This is the same reason why MSE and Spectro aren't just about one movie, they are supposed to represent a variety of themes that are under one larger umbrella theme that can be easily represented by the whole park as a whole.

Reverting this show to a seasonal performance inaddtion to a more general nighttime show would be more acceptable, because you leave the core general theme of the first show to still be presented and then you give this extra show on the side and by not making it permanent you also again do not risk stabilizing this as a core theme. Also from a business sense you want something like this to draw in crowds, which commodity theory tells you will happen if you only show it for a number of months.

 

[meeko_33785]

I agree with Figment's Dream about the new coaster. I don't think it should be themed to Indy. Just a generic theme with an original storyline should be just fine.

As for the fireworks show, I don't think it should portray the entire story of Beauty and the Beast. It should include music from many different Disney films, as well as having Tinker Bell start the fireworks. The B&B section would only be a part of the show. Besides, entirely retelling the story would be fairly redundant since the ride uses some of the same scenes you mentioned.

 

[imagineer boy]

Speaking of Tinker Bell starting the fireworks, I've got an idea for how they can do it without a person on a wire. On the top spire, before the fire works, an AA Tinker Bell can pop out and when the fireworks start, she'll activate and look like she's starting the fireworks.

 

[meeko_33785]

Ehhh... I don't really like the idea because 1) a real performer would be more realistic and 2) The mechanics of the AA would most likely be too heavy for the wire. Besides, it's more magical to know that it's the "real" Tinker Bell flying over the Castle.

 

[meeko_33785]

I did a quick sketch of what I thought Beauty and the Beast Castle should look like. I tried to make it enough like the castles in the other Disney parks, but also giving it a feeling all its own.

I appologize for my lack of artistic ability, but maybe somebody could take this sketch and make a better version of it.

 

[FigmentDream]

Originally posted by meeko_33785
I did a quick sketch of what I thought Beauty and the Beast Castle should look like. I tried to make it enough like the castles in the other Disney parks, but also giving it a feeling all its own.

I appologize for my lack of artistic ability, but maybe somebody could take this sketch and make a better version of it.

I think it looks pretty good, it seems to be lacking a middle body sort-of (if that makes any sense) and I guess you could add in the classic Library which is a rotunda that justs out from the side but I was not sure how accurate you guys want to make this from the movie....

 

[daoVinci]

Fair enough. Just thought I'd throw the ideas out there.

My biggest strength is writing. You guys like any of the new concepts enough to start fleshing out a backstory to help guide creative concepting as we start pouring more thought into this?

 

[imagineer boy]

Originally posted by meeko_33785
Ehhh... I don't really like the idea because 1) a real performer would be more realistic and 2) The mechanics of the AA would most likely be too heavy for the wire. Besides, it's more magical to know that it's the "real" Tinker Bell flying over the Castle.

Wait, I wasn't saying that it was on a wire, I was saying that at the top spire of the castle the AA would be on a stick attatched to the castle which you won't see. By the way, I would do some concept drawings myself, but I can't get how to post them here. There's no browse button on the posting typing areas. Can someone tell me another way to show photos? I can only do it in the Chit Chat section.

 

[meeko_33785]

Originally posted by FigmentDream
I think it looks pretty good, it seems to be lacking a middle body sort-of (if that makes any sense) and I guess you could add in the classic Library which is a rotunda that justs out from the side but I was not sure how accurate you guys want to make this from the movie....

Yeah, I know what you mean about the middle body. Not quite sure how to fix it though. We could just make the middle part taller. That might work.

As for the AA Tinker Bell idea, I'm still not to thrilled about it. I think that Tinker Bell actually flyinging over the Castle insteed of just hovering over the spire is more visiually striking and would look more realistic.

 

[Wannabe Walt]

I don't really like the Tinker-Bell idea. Sorry! The firework show idea is good though, but don't have it year round. In its place we could have Fantasmic! The Final Move of Mickey (my version) or Beauty and the Beast Castle Night-time Fantasy.

The roller coaster for Adventureland is okay. I have heard better. Like Meeko said, it sounds a little too much like BTMR. Jungle Cruise would go around Hook Island also. It would go around it and also it would go in a "lake" at the end!

 

[imagineer boy]

Originally posted by Wannabe Walt
I don't really like the Tinker-Bell idea. Sorry! The firework show idea is good though, but don't have it year round. In its place we could have Fantasmic! The Final Move of Mickey (my version) or Beauty and the Beast Castle Night-time Fantasy.

The roller coaster for Adventureland is okay. I have heard better. Like Meeko said, it sounds a little too much like BTMR. Jungle Cruise would go around Hook Island also. It would go around it and also it would go in a "lake" at the end!

Well, my Tinker Bell idea was just a suggestion so that you don't see a wire comming down from the castle in the day time. I'll try to think of somthing else. About the mountain thing, DLP has a excavation ride in Adventureland and BTMR. The excavator could be somthing for teens who find BTMR tame. It could have steep drops and a loop. Although, I have somthing to improve the story line for it. When you go down the wrong track, you go on a bendy half destroyed track instead not on a track at all ( in the story ). In reality, you would have crashed completely by then.

 

[imagineer boy]

Started a thread in the chit chat forum so you can see my drawings of tomorrowland, etc. BecauseI can't post images anywhere else.

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.PhP?s=showthread=21850