xdan0920
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What kind of evidence supports this kind of claim?
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What kind of evidence supports this kind of claim?
GLaDOS
Well-Known Member
Fads don't last for 15 years and make almost a billion dollars per movie.
Lee
Adventurer
Very true. For what they are paying for FLE, Uni could have built almost two WWoHPs. The cost structure at WDI is insane, and may well eventually result in a complete rethinking of how they operate. It would be a good thing.
Hence why the FLE project was pushed through by Burbank, not TDO.
That isn't the point. Even on days when the park is merely busy, it becomes a capacity headache for dining, crowd flow, attraction wait times, etc. The days when the park reaches it's actual capacity are a real nightmare, but the merely busy days are bad enough to warrant the added room, tables and queues.
No.
This has been discussed to the point of insanity on these boards.
Potter is no more a fad than Star Wars. Both will continue to be popular for decades to come. Sure, the mania that surrounded both during their peak times of popularity is bound to fade a bit, but there will always be enough continuing content to ensure a very long lifespan.
bayoubelle
amuck, amuck, amuck
I agree. When Steamboat Willie was released, this Disney cartoon was considered a fad as well.
Cinderella and the other princesses revolve around one story yet they continue to be popular. Dumbo was released in the 50s and people still flock to the ride.
Harry Potter has become a classic. Of course, some of the excitement will abate but it doesn't mean that it's a fad.
Lee
Adventurer
As is registration for the D23 expo. I'm told lots of CM will be there to boost attnendance.
Possibly the world.Nick_A said:
Only Indy and Spidey are any real competition.
Kamikaze
Well-Known Member
Did I use the word 'fad'?
If they don't continue to push and introduce new material, it won't have any more shelf life. Its that simple. Like I said, people want things 'now'. They don't go back and relive things they've already seen like they used to. Rowling needs to write or approve new material, or the franchise is over.
Look at other properties that have been hot lately. When there is no new material, no one cares. Thats how it will be with Potter, and Rowling knows it. Thus, Pottermore.
Lee
Adventurer
Yes. Pottermore.
Through that venue and more, new Potter-verse material will continue to be available for years, much like how Lucas has kept the Star Wars verse alive.
Lee
Adventurer
I don't entirely agree.
I think stories and such that take place in the Potter-verse, even without Harry will do a good job of continuing the brand and it's popularity. (Again, Star Wars is the template.)
Brian Noble
Well-Known Member
How would you like to define "shelf life", and over what time horizon?
I ask because I'm ready to propose a wager.
Pete C
Active Member
This logic does not pan out when looking at the history of successful theme parks. The Harry Potter story is over, but it doesn't need to have new material in order to attract people to it. People still go to Disney to ride old rides they have been on countless times, most of which are based on even older stories that were at one point popular. I don't see any difference with Potter. If I am missing something you tell me the difference. People will visit WWOHP because it is a top-notch attraction (from a theme and ride perspective) based on a great story and characters that people will fondly remember.
Disney is building a massive ride based on Cars in California as we all know. Would you say Cars is a classic work? I wouldn't. Are people going to be talking about Cars in 5 years? No. So, by your logic Disney shouldn't even bother building the thing since it will be old news and nobody will want to bother reliving the story. Fact is, if the ride is great then people will always want to re-visit to do it again and again.
So, I have a proposal for Disney.
With the economy as it is, it's unlikely Disney can even do anything cool anytime soon. As sad as that is, the silver lining is that this serves as a somewhat reasonable excuse for not doing something cool.
Because fans won't expect anything, and be fairly forgiving due to the 'economy' excuse, Disney can make not doing anything 'real' a legit strategy.
Thus, throw out a bunch of full-blown blue sky rumors. Australia, Beastly Kingdom, Star Wars land, Pixar land, new coasters, potential 5th gates. Stuff along the lines of Walt's original 'EPCOT' - never really close to reality, but interesting and ambitious enough to create buzz.
By the time the economy turns around, Disney along with its fan base will have a really solid and mature sense of what's popular as well as realistic.
And then we can spend hours looking back at that era with all the cool ideas because nobody was really anticipating anything real anyway (a la America and DisneySea).
With the economy as it is, it's unlikely Disney can even do anything cool anytime soon. As sad as that is, the silver lining is that this serves as a somewhat reasonable excuse for not doing something cool.
Because fans won't expect anything, and be fairly forgiving due to the 'economy' excuse, Disney can make not doing anything 'real' a legit strategy.
Thus, throw out a bunch of full-blown blue sky rumors. Australia, Beastly Kingdom, Star Wars land, Pixar land, new coasters, potential 5th gates. Stuff along the lines of Walt's original 'EPCOT' - never really close to reality, but interesting and ambitious enough to create buzz.
By the time the economy turns around, Disney along with its fan base will have a really solid and mature sense of what's popular as well as realistic.
And then we can spend hours looking back at that era with all the cool ideas because nobody was really anticipating anything real anyway (a la America and DisneySea).
jt04
Well-Known Member
There are hundredsa of plans that have been Imagineered which can also be viewed as investments because they don't come cheap. The castle walls likely go back decades. So when a rival announces something it is easy for Disney to draw on those plans as a response. Naturally they would pick a concept that they would think would be most effective. After looking at construction pics of Legoland I have very little doubt the FLE is at least partly a response. They could have expanded the MK in many ways but choose the FLE concept we see today. I just don't see it as a coincidence. Rather smart business.
I also think that Flamingo Crossing may very well have been in response to investors looking to build a similar concept nearby, possibly the Splendid China site. Disney may have decided to get in front of them thereby taking the wind out of their sails. When they went away so did FC. Now this is pure conjecture on my part but I think this is how these decisions are made. And it would explain so much.
I still think Disney sees Legoland as a threat to MK attendence. Not a big threat but enough to cut into profit margins noticably. And after seeing pics from the almost completed park I think they are right. It looks pretty amazing. And probably even moreso for the target audience.
And Disney may not want to stay in second place. Fingers crossed.
erasure fan1
Well-Known Member
Im not a real Harry Potter fan but I do live with one and are friends with a few. I could be wrong but it really doesnt seem like JK is the type of person to let the franchise go, like Lucas did with the EU for starwars. Again Im basing this mainly on the people I know and the few things Ive read.
JustInTime
Well-Known Member
...the Tri-Wizard Tournament lasts all of year four, not just a day. And in in fact, Hogsmeade doesn't appear in the fourth movie at all. Let alone in a snowy village or The Flight of the Hipogriff. So I don't see how the Park is supposed to be taking place on a certain day. And I think the expansion is obvious. Diagon Alley running parallel to Hogsmeade with Gringotts being the main attraction. I don't think the developers are limited at all. In fact, each movie is supposed to be represented in the section, per contract terms. I think any speculation of difficulties with an expansion is a fanboy dream. Universal is sitting on a goldmine. Potter = Modern Classic
My understanding is that the site will contain the Potter books with additional material Rowling left out of the original books. There will not be any more actual new material in the Potter universe. Hopefully, someday she'll continue the story or open the universe to other writers, but that isn't on the table right now. The site is simply a way for Rowling to distribute the Potter ebooks so that she can make the most profit without selling them through third party sites.
The life of the Potter franchise has been debated en nauseum here on the boards. I absolutely think it will be beloved for years to come but I also think its days are numbered as the huge draw it is now. I would love to see new content but unless that happens, it will eventually lose it's luster.
If Lucas had not made the prequels (and not saved the prequels by the new animated show
), I think Star Wars would have much, much less draw that it has now. It's simply a matter of out of sight, out of mind.
wedenterprises
Well-Known Member
Star Wars is so underutilized. To "compete" with Harry Potter Land would be incredibly straightforward, but for whatever reason they chose FLE. :shrug:
disneyonmymind
Member
My understanding is that the site will contain the Potter books with additional material Rowling left out of the original books. There will not be any more actual new material in the Potter universe. Hopefully, someday she'll continue the story or open the universe to other writers, but that isn't on the table right now. The site is simply a way for Rowling to distribute the Potter ebooks so that she can make the most profit without selling them through third party sites.
The life of the Potter franchise has been debated en nauseum here on the boards. I absolutely think it will be beloved for years to come but I also think its days are numbered as the huge draw it is now. I would love to see new content but unless that happens, it will eventually lose it's luster.
If Lucas had not made the prequels (and not saved the prequels by the new animated show
You would think, but the potter phenomenon has an entire generation of both readers and moviegoers, and while I think that it may be currently slowly declining from its peak, I don't see anyone who will be ready to forget it anytime soon. Heck, the books are even becoming required reading in some schools! In addition, Potter has a unique stronghold on both the Literature and Movie fronts, both of which will never really allow it to be "out of sight"