Hurricane Milton coming to FL

celluloid

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Curious as to why TDO hasn't made any closure announcements yet. I understand it's a huge operation and there are many things to consider, but it's not as if A) This storm is brand new as of this morning, and B) the track hasn't been fairly well-established for 36-48 hours and will impact the immediate area. We are 50-ish hours out from potential landfall and less than that until wind and rain begin impacting the greater Orlando area.

Yeah. Wedsnesday is a common sense give in so it makes you wonder what the holdup is other than having all one announcement of days vs multiple announcements.

Legoland made their call. Weds and Thurs.

I expect the same for Uni and events soon.
 

jlhwdw

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I assume it is because if it slows down and they can do a half day Wednesday they don't want to take that option off the table.

I have no doubt that those that need to know, know. But you don't want to call it until the 11th hour because you can't take it back.
 

celluloid

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Someone ealrier asked if the storm was going to be similar to Irma in its hit.

Milton is coming from the gulf and is currently at a Cat 5, as Irma was for a record breaking 3 days.

This will be similar. Milton is also on its way to possibly do this if it does not weaken, but even more to note perhaps is that it is at 914 pressure. Lower the millibars the more organized and stronger the storm. That is why to me this thing is far similar to Charley. Hope the October air and water help weaken it.
 

LSLS

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Curious as to why TDO hasn't made any closure announcements yet. I understand it's a huge operation and there are many things to consider, but it's not as if A) This storm is brand new as of this morning, and B) the track hasn't been fairly well-established for 36-48 hours and will impact the immediate area. We are 50-ish hours out from potential landfall and less than that until wind and rain begin impacting the greater Orlando area.
Honestly I'd guess because there are some real unknowns on this thing right now. How strong and when are still big question mark (though agree, I can't imagine Wed being anything but closed). I think as long as they make a decision tonight, it's not a huge deal.
 

celluloid

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I assume it is because if it slows down and they can do a half day Wednesday they don't want to take that option off the table.

I have no doubt that those that need to know, know. But you don't want to call it until the 11th hour because you can't take it back.
The issue is(and not all problems can be solved but the reality) you do a half day Wedsnesday and the employees still have to get home. Many that work central live in the Tampa/Plant City/Lakeland areas.

We know Weds is closed because they closed reservations for the parks. Thursday likely a late opening at their best wishes as they should be assessing the damage once the storm is done overnight. This is why now that Legoland announced theirs you will see Weds and Thurs WDW/UO/SWO closed. HHN Weds(of course)/Thurs likely closed as well.

BGT just did theirs. Closed startings Tuesday tomorrow. It makes sense because they are closer to the coast being Tampa Bay and all, but also...I commend them for doing the right thing and giving Tuesday to the crew to prep and the rest to remain home and hopefully prep.

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monothingie

Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb.
Premium Member
Curious as to why TDO hasn't made any closure announcements yet. I understand it's a huge operation and there are many things to consider, but it's not as if A) This storm is brand new as of this morning, and B) the track hasn't been fairly well-established for 36-48 hours and will impact the immediate area. We are 50-ish hours out from potential landfall and less than that until wind and rain begin impacting the greater Orlando area.
My guess is that they have a working plan for phased shutdown, but they want to time any announcements so that it will minimize the lost revenue from any potential unplanned and extended shutdown. (And I think it is optimistic thinking to expect that the parks will be open and ready a day or two after the storm passes.)

In reality if Central Florida takes a pounding, there will be no realistic ability to open up the parks immediately after and there will be little to no desire by anyone to want to actually visit and stay there given the potential impacts in the surrounding areas.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
Any home built after 2003 has to, under the Florida Building Code, have hurricane resistant windows.
This is not correct. Wind-borne debris protection, which can be impact rated glazing or other protection like shutters, is only required in wind-borne debris regions. Only the eastern edges of Orange and Osceola counties are located in the wind-borne debris region. The wind-borne debris regions are places where the ultimate design wind speed for 3 second gusts is 140 mph or greater.

Florida Building Code - Residential (Single Family)
Figure R301.2(4) shows the wind-borne debris region
Section R609.6 is the requirement for protection.

Florida Building Code - Building (Multifamily, Hotels)
Figure 1609.3(1) shows the Vult requirements for most buildings (Risk Category II). Some larger hotels may be Risk Category III shown in Figure 1609.3(2).
Section 2407.1.4 is the requirements for glazing.
 

celluloid

Well-Known Member
My guess is that they have a working plan for phased shutdown, but they want to time any announcements so that it will minimize the lost revenue from any potential unplanned and extended shutdown. (And I think it is optimistic thinking to expect that the parks will be open and ready a day or two after the storm passes.)

In reality if Central Florida takes a pounding, there will be no realistic ability to open up the parks immediately after and there will be little to no desire by anyone to want to actually visit and stay there given the potential impacts in the surrounding areas.

and with MCO and many other airports in FL closed...there won't be much traveling from the masses anyway.
 

Touchdown

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Original Poster
Still suprised they haven’t announced early closures tomorrow, TS winds could hit as soon as 8am Wed, ops needs time to hurricane ready the parks.
 

gerarar

Premium Member
I was supposed to be landing at MCO on Wednesday morning.

But with the news of MCO ceasing operations soon, still awaiting for my flight to be officially cancelled by the airline so I can rebook a later date (or maybe cancel/refund). So far nothing, and Frontier customer support says that there is no further update yet, as if the flight is still a go-ahead on Wednesday..

Not too worried about my resort reservation (All Stars Music), despite booking with a third party site. There was no availability on WDW's website when I booked 2 months ago, so that was my only option. Can deal with that at a later time or just take the loss if I lose a couple days..

Original trip is Weds 10/9 thru Mon 10/14.
Hoping for the best for everyone though! Would be a lie to say I'm not a bit stressed (more than G+ and VQs!); never been through cancellations/changes to my plans like this before!
 

celluloid

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I was supposed to be landing at MCO on Wednesday morning.

But with the news of MCO ceasing operations soon, still awaiting for my flight to be officially cancelled by the airline so I can rebook a later date (or maybe cancel/refund). So far nothing, and Frontier customer support says that there is no further update yet, as if the flight is still a go-ahead on Wednesday..

Not too worried about my resort reservation (All Stars Music), despite booking with a third party site. There was no availability on WDW's website when I booked 2 months ago, so that was my only option. Can deal with that at a later time or just take the loss if I lose a couple days..

Original trip is Weds 10/9 thru Mon 10/14.
Hoping for the best for everyone though! Would be a lie to say I'm not a bit stressed, never been through cancellations/changes to my plans like this before!

I wonder if it is due to your flight landing time. MCO will close morning but not sure if I read what time yet.
 

gerarar

Premium Member
I wonder if it is due to your flight landing time. MCO will close morning but not sure if I read what time yet.
Yeah they haven't put out a time yet. My flight was due to land at 11:50am, which is cutting it close I'd imagine. And of course the closure could always move up depending on conditions.
 

celluloid

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Yeah they haven't put out a time yet. My flight was due to land at 11:50am, which is cutting it close I'd imagine. And of course the closure could always move up depending on conditions.

Aww man. That is a tough one. Like you said it could go either way since they just stated morning so far. Definitely say afternoon is a no go as they have to deboard, prep and anchor planes and or ready them for departing elsewhere.
 

monothingie

Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb.
Premium Member
I was supposed to be landing at MCO on Wednesday morning.

But with the news of MCO ceasing operations soon, still awaiting for my flight to be officially cancelled by the airline so I can rebook a later date (or maybe cancel/refund). So far nothing, and Frontier customer support says that there is no further update yet, as if the flight is still a go-ahead on Wednesday..

Not too worried about my resort reservation (All Stars Music), despite booking with a third party site. There was no availability on WDW's website when I booked 2 months ago, so that was my only option. Can deal with that at a later time or just take the loss if I lose a couple days..

Original trip is Weds 10/9 thru Mon 10/14.
Hoping for the best for everyone though! Would be a lie to say I'm not a bit stressed (more than G+ and VQs!); never been through cancellations/changes to my plans like this before!
You'll be fine.
Frontier will give automatically give you FFC, but you may have to push them for a refund if you want it.

For the hotel, you may want to start the process with the 3rd party booking site now, rather than after the fact based on the likely high volume of calls they will be or are getting for similar reasons.
 

celluloid

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Latest model shows the same uncertainty. This is likely how it is going to be until we are less than 30 hours out, and even then. If it takes any of the upper ones I don't see anywhere opening early by any means on Friday. Central FL will have so much debris and power outtage to assess.
 

LAKid53

Official Member of the Girly Girl Fan Club
Premium Member
I was supposed to be landing at MCO on Wednesday morning.

But with the news of MCO ceasing operations soon, still awaiting for my flight to be officially cancelled by the airline so I can rebook a later date (or maybe cancel/refund). So far nothing, and Frontier customer support says that there is no further update yet, as if the flight is still a go-ahead on Wednesday..

Not too worried about my resort reservation (All Stars Music), despite booking with a third party site. There was no availability on WDW's website when I booked 2 months ago, so that was my only option. Can deal with that at a later time or just take the loss if I lose a couple days..

Original trip is Weds 10/9 thru Mon 10/14.
Hoping for the best for everyone though! Would be a lie to say I'm not a bit stressed (more than G+ and VQs!); never been through cancellations/changes to my plans like this before!

My suggestion is to not cancel your resort reservation, but modify the dates by pushing them back so you're not less than 30 days from arrival. Then cancel.
 

Lilofan

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Still suprised they haven’t announced early closures tomorrow, TS winds could hit as soon as 8am Wed, ops needs time to hurricane ready the parks.
Hurricane ready the parks I would think is getting anything that is not nailed down to interior buildings which is all the trash cans, tables chairs banners , umbrellas, portable lighting etc, etc, sandbag the front doors to hopefully prevent flooding into the carpeted and flooring areas of buildings and so forth. This takes time and lots of manpower. All of these could be flying missiles if left outside.
 
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Lilofan

Well-Known Member
Latest model shows the same uncertainty. This is likely how it is going to be until we are less than 30 hours out, and even then. If it takes any of the upper ones I don't see anywhere opening early by any means on Friday. Central FL will have so much debris and power outtage to assess.
To also include how much of an impact cast members have to their own property , vehicles and path to get to work.
 

LAKid53

Official Member of the Girly Girl Fan Club
Premium Member
This is not correct. Wind-borne debris protection, which can be impact rated glazing or other protection like shutters, is only required in wind-borne debris regions. Only the eastern edges of Orange and Osceola counties are located in the wind-borne debris region. The wind-borne debris regions are places where the ultimate design wind speed for 3 second gusts is 140 mph or greater.

Florida Building Code - Residential (Single Family)
Figure R301.2(4) shows the wind-borne debris region
Section R609.6 is the requirement for protection.

Florida Building Code - Building (Multifamily, Hotels)
Figure 1609.3(1) shows the Vult requirements for most buildings (Risk Category II). Some larger hotels may be Risk Category III shown in Figure 1609.3(2).
Section 2407.1.4 is the requirements for glazing.

That's not quite accurate. Under FBC 2020, all replacement and new windows must be impact resistant or use impact coverings like shutters. If within 1 mile from the coast, able to withstand winds up to 130. Further inland, 140 mph winds.

I have to replace the window in my living room - it's a non-standard size - and looked at windows that exceed the FBC requirements as it's a very large plate glass window with side windows that open.
 

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