Hurricane Irma

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myhappyplace

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disneygeek90 said:
All of the Keys, Naples, Marco Island, Ft Myers and possibly Miami and Jacksonville look like they were hit the hardest. I'm not sure what organized funding has been started yet.
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21stamps said:
The Keys!! They can't receive packages yet.. but they will need so much assistance. It's absolutely devastating and there's still many places that are unknown.
They were hit head on by a Category 4 hurricane.

There aren't any newscasters down there.. but you can see drone videos online.
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Thanks, I'm thinking of Feeding South Florida.
 
bclane

bclane

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21stamps said:
For sure, but many SoFloridians are fine with that increase because it means they aren't without power for days or weeks at a time.
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True story. The time to push something like that through is right after a long power outage. A lot of people won't even care what it will do to their bills if their outage goes for weeks. My wife and I lived on Guam for a few years (back in the 90s) and the power was out for over a month at our place after one of the typhoons grazed us. By the end of that we looked like cave people and were desparate for clean clothes, A/C, and a non camp stove meal. Cold showers were actually a relief there but I would have given a kidney to get the power back on.
 
Brad Bishop

Brad Bishop

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DisAl said:
Obviously you understand nothing about major storm restoration work. Even with thousands of out of state utility crews brought in you can't get six million people back on in just a day or two. It doesn't matter if you have a hundred years to prepare, you can't rebuild an electrical system that took years to build rebuilt overnight. I know. I am retired now but served on several storm teams over the years working 18 hours a day to get the lights back on.
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One thing I noticed in the aftermath was a certain lack of destruction compared to hurricanes of the past.

Don't get me wrong. I know people are dealing with a lot right now and I'm not trying to discount it.

What I'm saying is that Florida, over the decades, has been investing in "hurricane proofing" itself and I think I saw some of the payoff from that in the videos. Sure, cars/RVs/mobile homes were flung around but the power lines looked pretty much intact. I'm comparing this to hurricanes of the past where all the telephone poles would be down. Same deal with many of the buildings and other infrastructure like traffic lights and road signs. A LOT has been done to try to limit the damage over the decades and it was kind of cool to see the payoff.

That doesn't help a lot if your home is flooded or if a tree is crushing it. It's just something I noticed.
 
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DisneyCane

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MansionButler84 said:
More so the extent of our impact. Despite claims otherwise, it is quite easy to empirically show that an increase in greenhouse gas concentrations increases global temperature. And we know where those greenhouse gases come from. The degree to which such an increase impacts a specific storm is more debatable.
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It is not so easy to show the relationship between the concentrations of greenhouse gasses and global temperature. Long before man existed, there were ice ages. The planet has been warming since the last ice age.

The effect that humans have is probably more related to how many humans there are on the planet, not necessarily the per capita use of energy/fossil fuels. Every single human breathes out CO2.

In 1804 there were 1 billion people on the earth. Now there are over 7 billion. That's 6 billion extra people breathing out CO2 every second of every day. Obviously, there is energy used to feed all these people.

If the world banned all fossil fuels tomorrow, there would still be global warming. Maybe it wouldn't be quite as fast. Regardless, we are much better off learning to deal with the consequences of the warming than to try and stop it since I don't believe the latter is possible even if we returned to living like it is the stone age.
 
Dubman

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Today, the UKM is still insisting on Jose hitting Florida... Everyone else well out to sea except the CMC which wants Jose to go to New Jersey..

I say no way Jose!
 
bclane

bclane

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DisneyCane said:
It is not so easy to show the relationship between the concentrations of greenhouse gasses and global temperature. Long before man existed, there were ice ages. The planet has been warming since the last ice age.

The effect that humans have is probably more related to how many humans there are on the planet, not necessarily the per capita use of energy/fossil fuels. Every single human breathes out CO2.

In 1804 there were 1 billion people on the earth. Now there are over 7 billion. That's 6 billion extra people breathing out CO2 every second of every day. Obviously, there is energy used to feed all these people.

If the world banned all fossil fuels tomorrow, there would still be global warming. Maybe it wouldn't be quite as fast. Regardless, we are much better off learning to deal with the consequences of the warming than to try and stop it since I don't believe the latter is possible even if we returned to living like it is the stone age.
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Cow farts are the true cause of global warming. :bookworm:
 
BoarderPhreak

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danlb_2000 said:
Yes, it's much more expensive to bury them and when there are problems it costs more and takes more time to fix them. Putting them underground will protect them from wind and falling trees, but it also makes them susceptible to water damage.
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That's why the cables are run in conduits. Water damage is unlikely, unless both the conduit(s) and cable(s) are compromised. The larger issue is junctions. Usually those are contained within cement boxes, accessed via manholes.

No, the real issue with underground cables is one of cost and inconvenience. You'd have to dig up MILES and MILES of roadway to bury them, and potentially cause large traffic issues.

As mentioned, Germany (for example) has mostly underground cables. They did this smartly from the get-go (and got their electrical system in place after our ancient one). It's also a matter of distances (read: scalability). Germany is a LOT smaller than America. The exception to this are the high tension wires coming from the power plants. Those are overhead and rather similar to ours.
 
21stamps

21stamps

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bclane said:
True story. The time to push something like that through is right after a long power outage. A lot of people won't even care what it will do to their bills if their outage goes for weeks. My wife and I lived on Guam for a few years (back in the 90s) and the power was out for over a month at our place after one of the typhoons grazed us. By the end of that we looked like cave people and were desparate for clean clothes, A/C, and a non camp stove meal. Cold showers were actually a relief there but I would have given a kidney to get the power back on.
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Oh my goodness, I can't imagine more than a month!!!!!!!

FPL was pressured hard after 2005.. people are still opting to go underground. Maybe after Irma there will be even more communities with it now. It doesn't matter if you're near the Everglades in SoFla or on the Island of Palm Beach, it's doable.
 
21stamps

21stamps

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Brad Bishop said:
One thing I noticed in the aftermath was a certain lack of destruction compared to hurricanes of the past.

Don't get me wrong. I know people are dealing with a lot right now and I'm not trying to discount it.

What I'm saying is that Florida, over the decades, has been investing in "hurricane proofing" itself and I think I saw some of the payoff from that in the videos. Sure, cars/RVs/mobile homes were flung around but the power lines looked pretty much intact. I'm comparing this to hurricanes of the past where all the telephone poles would be down. Same deal with many of the buildings and other infrastructure like traffic lights and road signs. A LOT has been done to try to limit the damage over the decades and it was kind of cool to see the payoff.

That doesn't help a lot if your home is flooded or if a tree is crushing it. It's just something I noticed.
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I think it's more that the media hasn't been covering the major damage. We'll see soon.

For the most part the mainland was spared from catastrophic winds.
 
bclane

bclane

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21stamps said:
Oh my goodness, I can't imagine more than a month!!!!!!!

FPL was pressured hard after 2005.. people are still opting to go underground. Maybe after Irma there will be even more communities with it now. It doesn't matter if you're near the Everglades in SoFla or on the Island of Palm Beach, it's doable.
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We were actually lucky. We had friends that were out for almost 3 months after that storm. People were looking crazy by the end of that. Fortunately we missed Typhoon Omar which hit before we arrived. That one was even worse.
 
disneygeek90

disneygeek90

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Nj4mwc said:
They closed. I worked at wawa for 4 years in the late 90s and the corporate stance was always we don't close for nothing. I was 16 and walked through white blizzard conditions to go into work. Basically made coffee for cops and snowplow drivers for like 6 hours. I'm surprised they closed for this
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They are opening back up today from what I last heard. They were closed yesterday I'm sure. Irma was no joke, and there was a mandatory curfew for 23 hours in Orange County. No one could be open.
 

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