Hurricane Ian expected to impact Florida (updates and related discussions)

[EricsBiscuit]

We had our lines buried from the street to our house (in a subdivision) and it cost us nearly $10k from Duke (Indiana). It was ridiculous. But we were tired of trees losing limbs, hitting the line to our house and causing damage and I cannot get my ignorant neighbors to cut these trees down. After the last time when it tore the power cable partially loose and caused our furnace, two TV's (on surge protectors), a microwave and multiple lights to blow out in the house we decided to fork over the money for the line burial and a natural gas powered generator.

Yeah burying cable is extremely expensive.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

The marketing campaign for Jurassic World 4 is wild.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I'm all for it.

Who's gonna pay for it?

Don’t play that role…

You know the common denominator

 

[peter11435]

I am pretty certain there are other reasons...again, you want it to be black and white so it is easy to point the finger at someone...but in 99.9% of cases, it is not so simple.

It really is that simple.

We have plenty of examples of what can be done when you properly build out infrastructure and we have plenty of knowledge regarding the significant increase in reliability.

 

[EricsBiscuit]

The Jurassic Park building has suffered significant damage before during Charley.

Two rides that come to mind as designed for USH then plopped here are that one and Transformers. I wonder if Transformers suffered similar damage?

 

[Andrew C]

It really is that simple.

We have plenty of examples of what can be done when you properly build out infrastructure and we have plenty of knowledge regarding the significant increase in reliability.

Just throw money at it, right? It will solve all issues... So simple! Like flipping on a light switch.

Come on....

 

[mickeyfan73]

People fend for themselves and have for a long time - its when we started putting trust in the government to save us that our mentality changed. Why bother doing anything if the government is there to be the savior?

Agree there needs to be self responsiblity but for some things an entity with resources like a stable, normal governement (believe me there are some in the world I wouldnt trust a rat with) but anyways a good example is the bridgeway to Sanibel.. who is going to save their butts in the near future.. I would assume Army Core of Engineers. Governement. Government have the money, man power and can simple scale things up.. when things go bad...

Now nobody should expect the Govt to hand deliver generators if your power goes out, but I would expect them to set up emergency services for those who are not able to get one themselves- as there are many valid reasons. ( my mom in her 80s alone, would have no idea how to run one or physcially set one up)

 

[LAKid53]

Except surge warnings were specifically highlighted in forecasts leading up to the storm.

Yes they were. The path of this storm was all over the place. And the eye moved a little south after coming ashore.

 

[Nubs70]

The problem with hurricane forecasting and reporting is the cone. It shows where the CENTER of the storm may go. They need that cone showing effects from the storm outside of that cone as well based on the size.

Also imo not enough reporting on the direction of the storm and the inflow from the eye wall which plays a major factor in damage and surge

Hurricanes never make landfall at the projected centerline. Basic probability states that the eyeball will land to the left of centerline 50% of the time or to the right of centerline 50% of the time.

 

[LAKid53]

No, That’s the excuse for why power failed. It’s the reason infrastructure should be improved to prevent that failure.

And utility customers balk at paying those costs.

 

[Dinardo]

Excately my point.. you don't trust anything with the word National in it, Why? these are experts in their field; I am curious why one thinks they can trust themselves more vs. an expert in their field? is it this conspirarcy theory world many live in? Are people so dis trusting Govt they ignore it?? I mean I have friends and family who work for various forms of Govt backed entities. These are normal people who studied their "craft" and have no ill intentions or political agenda. Sure we are all human, can make errors, but if I am placing my bets I am going with the "national" or expert group who leads.

PP: these questions were not directly for you, but just a general pondering on those who also feel like you.

I will use hurricanes in this example:

During Hurricane Zeta, it was reported that it was a Category 2 by the National Hurricane Center. Cat 2 - no big deal (for those who live on the coastal areas and understand surge vs wind speed and deal with this on a regular basis). A few days later, AFTER the storm had passed, they reclassified it as a Cat 3.

That type of information could have persuaded people to evacuate - at the very least, I would've sent my wife and kids away as I stayed.

We can call it "uncertainty" - or we can call it failure.

 

[GhostHost1000]

Hurricanes never make landfall at the projected centerline. Basic probability states that the eyeball will land to the left of centerline 50% of the time or to the right of centerline 50% of the time.

Which is even more why the cone is misleading. Some think oh I’m not in the cone so I’m safe which is nowhere near the case with storms this big

 

[mikejs78]

They have to follow standards and regulations set by Florida/the Federal government, absolutely. I'm sure what Disney does is far beyond all of that though - for instance, not having much of anything above ground as far as power transmission goes.

Reading about the history of Reedy Creek is fascinating - from the beginning in the late 69s they engineered the infrastructure to minimize the impact of a storm like this. Disney World's infrastructure is really an impressive feat of engineering.

 

[Dinardo]

The marketing campaign for Jurassic World 4 is wild.

You have been awarded the internet for 9/29/2022. Best comment ever!

 

[Ayla]

Excately my point.. you don't trust anything with the word National in it, Why? these are experts in their field; I am curious why one thinks they can trust themselves more vs. an expert in their field? is it this conspirarcy theory world many live in? Are people so dis trusting Govt they ignore it?? I mean I have friends and family who work for various forms of Govt backed entities. These are normal people who studied their "craft" and have no ill intentions or political agenda. Sure we are all human, can make errors, but if I am placing my bets I am going with the "national" or expert group who leads.

PP: these questions were not directly for you, but just a general pondering on those who also feel like you.

Because some can't admit the experts are smarter than they are. We've seen the same mindset repeatedly over the last 5 years.

 

[Gringrinngghost]

The initial landfall projection wasn't far off. The magnitude was off a bit.

This was the model on September 20th.

Amazingly it wasn’t off by more then 60mi

 

[hopemax]

Wow.

Only now they are going to have the excuse to “World” the attraction, and we want it to stay “Park.”

 

[dreday3]

Hope everyone here (and the people/pets in your life) fared well enough through the storm!

Also, it seems Disney was well prepared to take care of the hotel guests. Most of what I'm reading is pretty positive (as it could be) about their experience at the hotels during the hurricane.

Stay safe!

 

[plutofan15]

Lol. It’s not an unrealistic expectation. We have the technology and know how to design and build infrastructure that is significantly less impacted by these storms. Companies and governments choose not to. There are millions of people across the state of Florida right now that know first hand that their infrastructure is not designed to prevent failure.

You are correct that the technology exists but the cost would be enormous to engineer and build to the worst case scenario. Being a retired cellular engineer who built out cell sites, I have seen this firsthand. Yes cell sites could be built with equipment raised up to prevent flooding and with backup generators. But the generators would need to have an enormous amount of fuel on-site to keep them running. Generators need fuel and one of big challenges is getting them refueled when they are in use for long periods of time. Many times site access is very difficult. There are many other factors needed to keep cell service in storms like this. Is it possible? Yes but the per cell would be immense especially when multiplied by the number of cell sites. You think your cell bill is high now, double it at the minimum if cell networks were built to be hurricane proof.

 

[yankspy]

Tell that to the peeps in Cape Coral area who kept hearing warnings for Tampa, so they felt a sense of safety.

This tin foil hat I'm wearing keeps my brain protected.

It’s weather. It’s highly unpredictable. Sometimes things just happen with no one to blame.