How WDW Co. spins ...

[ford91exploder]

I've been on forums (not related to WDW) where there's "the proper way to think" and anyone who opposes that gets shouted down (much like our PC society). Every one of those forums have died - and at one time they were quite alive before the shout downs started. Some attributed it to things moving to Facebook. No, it's because when you can't have an open exchange of ideas then people stop talking and just go away and you're left there alone with your "superior" ideas.

But you 'won' classic example of a pyrrhic victory.

 

[Cesar R M]

But you 'won' classic example of a pyrrhic victory.

as I said before.. declaring e-victory online, is as good as an instant loss.

 

[ford91exploder]

Yup.....
PC is nothing more than a polite term for intolerant censorship.

Perhaps better stated is PC is you are free to have any opinion as long as it agrees with mine.

 

[AEfx]

We pull our children out for one week every year for family vacation. We've never had an issue at all with the schools. Not all of us have the option of summer vacation or Christmas break.


We always inform the school two weeks before so that our children can get the work they need to get caught up. In most cases (at least here in Toronto), they don't really care anyway.

That's always what my family did, and it was never a problem. In fact, they often would have students keep a journal of their trip in lieu of certain busy work, and just have to make up "major" stuff.

That said, the folks you were replying to are correct - in the U.S., public school attendance has become much more regulated in many areas and it's difficult in some cases to do without penalizing your child.

The reason is because of the "No Child Left Behind" act and it's assorted brethren that threaten public school funding if they don't meet certain criteria (and attendance is one of them).

 

[Wikkler]

I wonder how long before they start replacing the comments with interns on sock puppet accounts

Oh yeah. The Guardians ride looks groovy. Can't wait to dig it with my family!
- Not Bob from Burbank, CA - 11:59:59 PM

Yes, the actual 'event' time is 3...i was editing my post when i was being quoted.
Which makes it all the more.....questionable.
People will really pay $150 for 3 hours ( maximum allowed 5 ) in the Park...?
Wow....

You could spin that and say "only 83 cents a minute!"
I'm not evil, I swear.

If this actually does work I predict that within 5 years all magic bands will be required to be linked to a credit card and simply charge you $50 for every hour you spend in the park. This seems like the logical progression.

That's actually a good idea. Well, the charging per hour. Not charging 50 for those hours. More like 8. A open-to-close day at Epcot would cost 96. This solves the whole "charging 100 to spend 3 hours at DHS" disaster.

You don't have kids do you? WDW busy times revolve around kids being out of school. No you can't just pull your kids out of public school and go to WDW. Private schools are different.

Good post, but be careful with that, Mr. "Everyone here is a gay man who doesn't know what kids are."

"If people were smart they would home school their kids so they can go during the less busy times. It's all about smart planning" - Phil12

To be fair, the public school system is dreadful.

But will the maintenance, cleanliness, and quality of the offerings match what the Golden Oak / Four Seasons crowd expect at that price point?

 

[s8film40]

That's actually a good idea. Well, the charging per hour. Not charging 50 for those hours. More like 8. A open-to-close day at Epcot would cost 96. This solves the whole "charging 100 to spend 3 hours at DHS" disaster.

How about this:
8am-12pm $10/per hour
12pm - 4pm $30/per hour
4pm-8pm $20/per hour
8pm-10pm (fireworks) $40/per hour
10pm-2am (free ice cream) $50/per hour

 

[Wikkler]

How about this:
8am-12pm $10/per hour
12pm - 4pm $30/per hour
4pm-8pm $20/per hour
8pm-10pm (fireworks) $40/per hour
10pm-2am (free ice cream) $50/per hour

You're suggesting that we pay $320 to stay from 8am to 10pm?
Why don't you work for Disney yet?

 

[s8film40]

You're suggesting that we pay $320 to stay from 8am to 10pm?
Why don't you work for Disney yet?

Haha, I'm just speculating if they continue down this path of uncharging that this is where it could end up.

 

[BrerJon]

How about this:
8am-12pm $10/per hour
12pm - 4pm $30/per hour
4pm-8pm $20/per hour
8pm-10pm (fireworks) $40/per hour
10pm-2am (free ice cream) $50/per hour

If this was an option in addition to multi-day passes, I could see this being quite good funnily enough. For those who have done Disney hundreds of times and have little interest in going back at current prices, an hourly plan would let you jump in, try the new rides and restaurants, then leave, without having to pay a full admission when there's only a couple of hours of interest.

 

[Rutt]

That's always what my family did, and it was never a problem. In fact, they often would have students keep a journal of their trip in lieu of certain busy work, and just have to make up "major" stuff.

That said, the folks you were replying to are correct - in the U.S., public school attendance has become much more regulated in many areas and it's difficult in some cases to do without penalizing your child.

The reason is because of the "No Child Left Behind" act and it's assorted brethren that threaten public school funding if they don't meet certain criteria (and attendance is one of them).

I don't doubt theyre correct. That's crazy to think about. Here it would never fly. Parents already have enough reason to move to home schooling (its becoming quite common here) so if it's a pay per student program many teachers would be out of work.
Of course, here in Toronto, no child left behind does not apply to little boys (who are quite frequently left behind) and that's all we have in school right now, so again maybe they just really don't care.

Wow, way off topic we are....

 

[IanDLBZF]

I have lots to say (shocking!) about that Micechat article. Just no damn time ... But while not 100% accurate, they largely nailed it. So what if it was a bit late. What astounds me (or doesn't) is the largely accepting nature of this. While #ThanksShanghai is cute, it isn't accomplishing a damn thing. Calling the head of Food and Beverage for say DL or the MK and ripping price increases or staffing or peppering Phil Holmes about the fact he is VP over a park about nothing (can we start an Internet campaign calling that park the Seinfeld park?) might get you further ... at the very least, it will get Disney to hate me even more and don't y'all want that?

Why can't we use YouTube propaganda or change.org petitions to get our word out? And why can't we get the mainstream media to hear what we have to say? I also think that #NoMoreCuts or #SaveDisneyParks would work better than #ThanksShanghai, just saying...

 

[Rutt]

Why can't we use YouTube propaganda or change.org petitions to get our word out? And why can't we get the mainstream media to hear what we have to say? I also think that #NoMoreCuts or #SaveDisneyParks would work better than #ThanksShanghai, just saying...

You could, not sure how much traction it would get though. Most visitors do not frequent sites like these and have no idea what's being cut or planned or stuff like that. I would venture that most people find the parks just fine. Price increases are happening on every walk of life, and almost every person I know is getting less for more nowadays for nearly everything. To most I know, Disney still seems to give far and away more bang for your buck that nearly anything else.

 

[Cesar R M]

You could, not sure how much traction it would get though. Most visitors do not frequent sites like these and have no idea what's being cut or planned or stuff like that. I would venture that most people find the parks just fine. Price increases are happening on every walk of life, and almost every person I know is getting less for more nowadays for nearly everything. To most I know, Disney still seems to give far and away more bang for your buck that nearly anything else.

The only issue is Disney increasing way above the rates of all the other products.
When you keep minimizing what you have and see worse service... I dont think the "bang for buck" really applies.
I bet some parents are just FORCED to make their kids dream of "once in a lifetime disney trip".

 

[Goofyernmost]

The only issue is Disney increasing way above the rates of all the other products.
When you keep minimizing what you have and see worse service... I dont think the "bang for buck" really applies.
I bet some parents are just FORCED to make their kids dream of "once in a lifetime disney trip".

You're probably right, but, let's not make that a Disney fault. The is a direct result of spineless parents trying to hard to be a friend to their children instead of showing the way and making responsible decisions. That said, in spite of some of the less then stellar things that Disney parks have done they still do offer a unique experience that is expensive, but, has many positive things that come with it. It's not like anyone should be reporting parents to Child Services because of the mean, painful things that they are doing to their children by taking them to WDW.

 

[Rutt]

The only issue is Disney increasing way above the rates of all the other products.
When you keep minimizing what you have and see worse service... I dont think the "bang for buck" really applies.
I bet some parents are just FORCED to make their kids dream of "once in a lifetime disney trip".

But those on once in a lifetime trips don't see worse service. They have no idea what Disney was in the past. And from this Canadian's point of view anyway, there is nothing that gives you the full experience Disney does for the dollars you pay. (He'll even Great Wolf is really creeping up there cost wise but is nowhere close to the WDW experience).

Trust me, I get what you're saying. I miss the little things that have disappeared even since only three years ago when I first took my boys. But I think people like those in these boards are very much in the minority and Disney is probably a long way off of worrying about falling just yet.

 

[Goofyernmost]

But those on once in a lifetime trips don't see worse service. They have no idea what Disney was in the past. And from this Canadian's point of view anyway, there is nothing that gives you the full experience Disney does for the dollars you pay. (He'll even Great Wolf is really creeping up there cost wise but is nowhere close to the WDW experience).

Trust me, I get what you're saying. I miss the little things that have disappeared even since only three years ago when I first took my boys. But I think people like those in these boards are very much in the minority and Disney is probably a long way off of worrying about falling just yet.

Therein lies the rub! I have been going to WDW every year (sometimes more the once a year) for 33 years. Due to the fact that I don't stay onsite and I don't eat at the high end (even if they are no better then Denny's) restaurants. I simply buy a ticket and walk through the front gate whenever I go and do basically the same thing I have done since 1983. I see no difference. Tonga Toast... never had it so I won't miss it. Now if I can't get to go to the parks in the evening without paying extra, that might be a problem for me because I won't pay extra for that. I can live quite well without being there or I can always go to one of the parks that isn't doing that on any particular day. So, I don't see this colossal difference in service. I've always gotten what I wanted when I visited and that is entertained. It does affect me, however, with the lack of flexibility in the tickets. It will and already has caused me to not plan on going this year. The first time in those 33 years. I'm retired and have a fixed income. If I planned on dying soon, I might just spend money with no concern, but, I'm not planning on doing that in the immediate future.

I must think ahead and make sure that I have enough money to get me the rest of the way through life. So, although just a drop in the bucket to them, whatever money I would normally spend there on my visits will no longer be going to them. If I'm the only one that is in that situation it won't matter at all, but, I really doubt that I am. To me the feeling of long term security is much better then a short term trip into fantasy.

 

[ford91exploder]

Therein lies the rub! I have been going to WDW every year (sometimes more the once a year) for 33 years. Due to the fact that I don't stay onsite and I don't eat at the high end (even if they are no better then Denny's) restaurants. I simply buy a ticket and walk through the front gate whenever I go and do basically the same thing I have done since 1983. I see no difference. Tonga Toast... never had it so I won't miss it. Now if I can't get to go to the parks in the evening without paying extra, that might be a problem for me because I won't pay extra for that. I can live quite well without being there or I can always go to one of the parks that isn't doing that on any particular day. So even I don't see this colossal difference in service. I've always gotten what I wanted when I visited and that is entertained. It does affect me, however, with the lack of flexibility in the tickets. It will and already has caused me to not plan on going this year. The first time in those 33 years. I'm retired and have a fixed income. If I planned on dying soon, I might just spend money with no concern, but, I'm not planning on doing that in the immediate future.

I must think ahead and make sure that I have enough money to get me the rest of the way through life. So, although just a drop in the bucket to them, whatever money I would normally spend there on my visits will be no longer be going to them. If I'm the only one that is in that situation it won't matter at all, but, I really doubt that I am. To me the feeling of long term security is much better then a short term trip into fantasy.

Hey @Goofyernmost I doubt you are the only one not planning a trip this year, My DVC points were banked as soon as they hit last year, I strongly doubt that we are the only ones not planning a trip because of Disney's cuts.

 

[ford91exploder]

But those on once in a lifetime trips don't see worse service. They have no idea what Disney was in the past. And from this Canadian's point of view anyway, there is nothing that gives you the full experience Disney does for the dollars you pay. (He'll even Great Wolf is really creeping up there cost wise but is nowhere close to the WDW experience).

Trust me, I get what you're saying. I miss the little things that have disappeared even since only three years ago when I first took my boys. But I think people like those in these boards are very much in the minority and Disney is probably a long way off of worrying about falling just yet.

If you have seen a difference in the last 3 imagine what those of us who have been visiting for 30 years have seen as a decline.

 

[Rutt]

Therein lies the rub! I have been going to WDW every year (sometimes more the once a year) for 33 years. Due to the fact that I don't stay onsite and I don't eat at the high end (even if they are no better then Denny's) restaurants. I simply buy a ticket and walk through the front gate whenever I go and do basically the same thing I have done since 1983. I see no difference. Tonga Toast... never had it so I won't miss it. Now if I can't get to go to the parks in the evening without paying extra, that might be a problem for me because I won't pay extra for that. I can live quite well without being there or I can always go to one of the parks that isn't doing that on any particular day. So even I don't see this colossal difference in service. I've always gotten what I wanted when I visited and that is entertained. It does affect me, however, with the lack of flexibility in the tickets. It will and already has caused me to not plan on going this year. The first time in those 33 years. I'm retired and have a fixed income. If I planned on dying soon, I might just spend money with no concern, but, I'm not planning on doing that in the immediate future.

I must think ahead and make sure that I have enough money to get me the rest of the way through life. So, although just a drop in the bucket to them, whatever money I would normally spend there on my visits will be no longer be going to them. If I'm the only one that is in that situation it won't matter at all, but, I really doubt that I am. To me the feeling of long term security is much better then a short term trip into fantasy.

Yup, there is the rub for ya! Unfortunately there appears to be 5-10 people waiting to take your place when you don't go. I mean, there is no downtime anymore.
I'm doing ok, and right now my family is lucky to go every year, but who knows? With the dollar at what it is now, and prices going higher and higher, it wont be long before people like us are priced out too. Will it matter? Probably not.

 

[Cesar R M]

Hey @Goofyernmost I doubt you are the only one not planning a trip this year, My DVC points were banked as soon as they hit last year, I strongly doubt that we are the only ones not planning a trip because of Disney's cuts.

but..but.. they have a new fashion show of Star wars at DHS!!!
And the RETHEME TO GOTG!!! ROL IS COMING.. EVENTUALLY....BEST CHANGES EVER! TO HELL WITH CUTS!

/this sarcasm almost gave the poster a heart attack.