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Mike S

Well-Known Member
Need to start a pool as to the per night cost of 'Castle Suite' stays, Also the 'Walt Suite' in DL. I'm guessing a minimum of $12,000/Night figuring that a stay there should be about 4x the cost of a Poly Pizza Hut Bungalow.

EDIT: This is one of my nightmares not an 'insider scoop'
Would sure be popular with honeymooners...........
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
Would sure be popular with honeymooners...........

Remember when during the YoMD this was a PRIZE as in experience without an upcharge, No I never won that particular prize but what an amazing experience that COULD NOT BE BOUGHT. Now sooner than later it's 'just another hotel room'.

I'm reminded of the Cars song 'Centerfold' now when I think of WDW.
 

asianway

Well-Known Member
Need to start a pool as to the per night cost of 'Castle Suite' stays, Also the 'Walt Suite' in DL. I'm guessing a minimum of $12,000/Night figuring that a stay there should be about 4x the cost of a Poly Pizza Hut Bungalow.

EDIT: This is one of my nightmares not an 'insider scoop'
I'm pretty sure you can rent it. If you have to ask how much though...
 

The Empress Lilly

Well-Known Member
Remember when during the YoMD this was a PRIZE as in experience without an upcharge, No I never won that particular prize but what an amazing experience that COULD NOT BE BOUGHT. Now sooner than later it's 'just another hotel room'.

I'm reminded of the Cars song 'Centerfold' now when I think of WDW.
'You Might Think I'm Crazy'? Good song.
 

The Empress Lilly

Well-Known Member
It's for the type of guest who's only goal is to ride and reride as many attractions as possible (yikes!) And with a possible cap at 3,000, they will likely find plenty of people that fit into that category. Maybe a 15-year-old.
As with all of these cash grabs, I'm pretty sure they can fill these nights to capacity.

There are lots of guests who's goal is to 'ride as many attractions as possible'. In fact, I'd estimate that number at 99,37% of guests. So the Disney MAGICal reflex ought to be to prolong operating hours for these paying customers (paying through their teeth as is). And to solve the undercapacity and overcrowding by other means. Rather than relish in the overcrowding and intensify it to use it for a cash grab.

In effect, the kids of hard working middle class America - that WDW was build by and for - are kicked out for a playground for mobsters, celebs, defense contractors. WDW is ever more a destination for the ones with more money than good taste.
 

Cesar R M

Well-Known Member
Have to say what is going on at WDW with maximizing profits for everything is probably a good thing for Universal. Universal isn't really cheaper unless you get an AP but when guests think Disney is doing a money grab that place down the road will look much better. Add in new attractions, hotels, water park and who knows what is on the horizon? A recession will hit and one park or the other will blink price wise.

The theme park wars in Orlando are well under way now. Top Dog may have become lazy and complacent. The challenger is lean, mean able to execute his grand vision. Next couple of years will be interesting, if nothing else just fun to watch. Universal just bought a big chuck of land for those who don't know and Nintendo land in the works.
The irony is, when companies fight.. they usually lower prices to attract guests.
both Disney and Uni have been doing the opposite.
Like "clutching" and "leveling" to ensure who goes into one, goes into other.
almost as bad as price fixing schemes between companies.
 

GymLeaderPhil

Well-Known Member
i think we're making more out of a reactive FAQ handout to cast members on the Hub than it really is. They have these with almost every advisory posted on the Hub. It's just a set of standard questions and Disney approved answers the cast members can quickly give guests. They have these for refurbishments, new attraction openings, closings, etc.
Disney wouldn't need to have reactive FAQs if they were open and transparent. If what they were doing was good for their patrons.

A reactive FAQ is a shield. It's a bullet point of witty retorts to support bad operating practices. It's a defense that was carefully crafted for some poor front line Cast Member who is being yelled at since the Magic Kingdom is closing at 7pm.

Phrases like "constantly reevaluating our offerings" really help to ease the pain when they decide to cut something. Or when you get the "looking to improve the guest experience" - hide your wallets! We've found a new focus tested way to fleece and milk every last dime out you.

By creating these inane and overtly complex ways to get more money, they've created customers who in turn are trying to do the same from Disney itself. And in the middle of it you have Cast Members who don't get paid enough to justify some no nothing executive who is trying to make constantly increasing profits.
 

UncleMike101

Well-Known Member
That's illegal here in the UK and you will get a fine for doing so, is it not illegal to do that in the US?
Nope.....
Here in the U.S. we still maintain a modicum of control over our children's lives.
Home schooling is becoming very popular here because so many people simply don't trust the State run Education System with the upbringing of our children.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
I won't be paying an extra $150 ($600 for the family) for these types of events. It defeats the whole multi-day park ticket discount and is just plain silly IMHO. However, if there are people who think this is somehow worth their money, more power to them. Enjoy yourselves. One way to look at it is if you stay off site instead of on property you can probably easily save more than $600 on a weekly stay and still get your one night of EMHs;)

The troubling thing to me is that Disney is reacting to one of the biggest guest complaints of long lines and big crowds not by expanding capacity for all, but by limiting the number of guests at certain times and charging a premium for it. This is far more problematic than the nighttime packages at EPCOT and AK last summer. Those events were in addition to regular park hours. In other words if you chose not to attend it didn't limit your day at the park. With this I am assuming MK closes early on the premium nights which limits the regular guests who are still paying full price (similar to the Halloween and Christmas events). Just wait until the AK work is done. With all the added nighttime attractions this will definitely spread there. Same goes eventually for DHS once SW is done.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
That's illegal here in the UK and you will get a fine for doing so, is it not illegal to do that in the US?
It's perfectly legal in the states. It's highly dependent on the school and even the teacher whether it's generally acceptable or frowned upon but it's legally allowed. Generally speaking the younger the kid the more acceptable it is. Once you get to high school level between the school work load and after school activities it's much more difficult to do. It also can depend on how well the kid does in school. A kid who is smart and handles the school work easily can miss a week and usually not miss a beat while a kid who struggles with academics or behavior is more likely to have issues. Even within schools I've heard of individual teachers who are opposed to the practice of pulling kids for vacation and will give parents a hard time. In a lot of cases these are teachers who raised their own kids and didn't pull them from school for vacation so they feel you shouldn't either. Of course they are teachers and wouldn't be able to take off for a week during school anyway so it wasn't a debate for them.
 

peter11435

Well-Known Member
Those events were in addition to regular park hours. In other words if you chose not to attend it didn't limit your day at the park. With this I am assuming MK closes early on the premium nights which limits the regular guests who are still paying full price (similar to the Halloween and Christmas events). Just wait until the AK work is done. With all the added nighttime attractions this will definitely spread there. Same goes eventually for DHS once SW is done.

These events are also in addition to regular park hours. The park does not close earlier on event nights. Depending on the night of the event the park is still open until 10 or 11. It is highly unlikely the park would have been open later if not for the event.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
These events are also in addition to regular park hours. The park does not close earlier on event nights. Depending on the night of the event the park is still open until 10 or 11. It is highly unlikely the park would have been open later if not for the event.
What about in the summer when the park is regularly open until midnight? They will run a 3 hour upcharge event from 12-3am? That's gonna be a tough sell at those prices. I assume MK will close earlier (9 or 10pm) for these events. Disney may very well say that the park isn't closing early specifically for the event, but we all know that's not really true. At other off peak times of year when the MK closes between 8 and 10 anyway it probably won't impact regular park hours as much.
 

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