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How California theme parks will enforce out-of-state visitors ban - OCR/SCNG

Darkbeer1

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
>>Orange (Disneyland, Disney California Adventure, Knott’s Berry Farm), Los Angeles (Universal Studio Hollywood, Six Flags Magic Mountain), Santa Clara (California’s Great America) and Solano (Six Flags Discovery Kingdom) counties have moved into the red/substantial tier 2. San Diego County (SeaWorld San Diego, Legoland California) remains in the purple/widespread tier 1, but is expected to move into the red tier this week.

The in-state visitor restriction for theme parks — which continues through the red, orange and yellow tiers — is tied to the current California Department of Public Health travel advisory.

Travel from outside California is “strongly discouraged” and out-of-state travelers are advised to self-quarantine for 10 days, according to the travel advisory. The advisory urges California residents to avoid traveling more than 120 miles from home.

U.S. and California health officials have discouraged recreational travel during the pandemic, which increases the risk of spreading coronavirus variants.

California Health and Human Services Secretary Mark Ghaly and California Business and Economic Development Director Dee Dee Myers spoke to the media in early March about the Newsom administration’s “Blueprint Refresh” that allows California theme parks to reopen.

They said state officials will work with theme parks to turn the broad parameters of the “California Residents Only” plan into more detailed guidelines.

“Through restrictions around how ticket sales are handled, we can really target who’s able to buy tickets,” Ghaly said. “We will be hearing from operators in these sectors who will be putting forward plans on how exactly some of these restrictions and mitigating factors will be implemented.”

How will the out-of-state travel ban be enforced at California theme parks?

“It is our hope that people will respect the guidelines and it is our expectation that the parks will work to really encourage people from California to come and others not to come until we get into a tier where that’s allowed,” Myers said. “Just by reducing the geography of where people are coming from, we think there’s just a reduction in the overall risk.”

Online reservation systems will use geocoding and GPS data to determine where theme park visitors live.

“Because they are required to make reservations online, they will be able to determine where people are coming from,” Myers said. “That will be an important tool for the operators to use.”

Online reservation systems will allow California theme parks to gather information about where visitors live and provide the ability for contact tracing should there be an COVID-19 outbreak tied to a park, according to state officials. Contact tracing allows health departments to identify and monitor people who have been exposed to COVID-19.

“If we can find a way to make sure that the venues are gathering information about people, there will eventually be an option so that people can walk up and buy a ticket where that’s appropriate and where there’s capacity at the venue,” Myers said.<<

 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
I’ll purchase tickets for any non California resident here... that I like. Message me and I’ll let you know if you qualify.
With the right VPN anyone can spoof that they're in California.

But if you're having to go through the trouble of getting someone else to buy tickets for you or getting a VPN to pretend you're in California; then you might as well just wait until this summer when the "California Residents Only" restriction is removed.
 

ToTBellHop

Well-Known Member
With the right VPN anyone can spoof that they're in California.

But if you're having to go through the trouble of getting someone else to buy tickets for you or getting a VPN to pretend you're in California; then you might as well just wait until this summer when the "California Residents Only" restriction is removed.
Exactly. It’s not going to last long. How will Newsom explain a travel restriction once vaccines have been available to everyone at risk long enough that there are appointments going unbooked? I expect perhaps a month-long “soft opening” to locals and then summer-as-usual, but with the added cultural component of embellished cloth face masks.

I‘d be shocked if it lasts past 6/1. The only question I have is: how will DL manage the locals? They won’t want a situation where those out of state can come book a hotel stay but locals have booked everything. At a minimum, I imagine they will reserve capacity in the parks for their own hotel guests.
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
I feel like this article danced around the topic.

No kidding.

The bureaucrats interviewed here didn't just lightly dance around the topic. They did the Twist, the Mashed Potato, the Frug and the Watusi around this topic.

They're apparently having daily wild dance parties up in those Sacramento offices! 🤣

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Disney Irish

Premium Member
Exactly. It’s not going to last long. How will Newsom explain a travel restriction once vaccines have been available to everyone at risk long enough that there are appointments going unbooked?
The only reason why its a "thing" right now is because California has a travel advisory in place. Once that is lifted then the theme park restriction will be lifted too.

I‘d be shocked if it lasts past 6/1. The only question I have is: how will DL manage the locals? They won’t want a situation where those out of state can come book a hotel stay but locals have booked everything. At a minimum, I imagine they will reserve capacity in the parks for their own hotel guests.
Recently Disney admitted that DLR was 50% locals at any given time in the park. So I'd imagine they set a similar limits to their reservations when reopening, keep 50% for hotel and other out-of-state guests, and 50% for locals.
 

cmwade77

Well-Known Member
The more I think about it, the more I wonder if the theme parks asked for this restriction for a while? They know demand is going to far exceed supply until they can increase capacity, this may be a way for them to help manage demand.

As for restrictions, it would be pretty easy, they could require a credit card guarantee when you make a reservation, much like dining reservations with a penalty for no shows with exceptions being made of course, just like with dining reservations. If the credit card has an address outside California, it gets denied.
 

ToTBellHop

Well-Known Member
The more I think about it, the more I wonder if the theme parks asked for this restriction for a while? They know demand is going to far exceed supply until they can increase capacity, this may be a way for them to help manage demand.

As for restrictions, it would be pretty easy, they could require a credit card guarantee when you make a reservation, much like dining reservations with a penalty for no shows with exceptions being made of course, just like with dining reservations. If the credit card has an address outside California, it gets denied.
The parks have specifically asked to NOT have this restriction. It’s a pain in the butt for them.
 

fctiger

Well-Known Member
I wonder if they’ll ask for I.D. at the entrance? It probably won’t be too hard if people know California residents and have them buy tickets for them.

Honestly that would easily solve the problem for the vast majority lol. And make it clear on the website everyone will be asked to show ID at the entrance even after you purchased the ticket. None of this is that hard.

And yes, it's probably for just a few weeks or months anyway. If people out of California really want to go back, just wait a few weeks or months. It's already been a year, what's a little while longer?
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
The only reason why its a "thing" right now is because California has a travel advisory in place. Once that is lifted then the theme park restriction will be lifted too.

Honestly, did anyone know we had a travel restriction in place? I didn't. I knew we had a 10PM Curfew in place for months that everyone ignored. But a travel restriction is still actively in place???

And yet over a thousand passenger airplanes are flying into California airports from all 50 states and around the world every single day. Amtrak has daily service arriving in California from other states on the Coast Starlight, the California Zephyr, the Southwest Chief and the Sunset Limited every single day. I-5, I-15, I-8 and I-10 have tens of thousands of cars per day coming in from neighboring states.

But California has an active "travel restriction"??? And someone thinks all those people every day are actually obeying it???

Seriously, how do I get invited to those Sacramento office dance parties?! You should see me work a go-go cage. 🧐

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CastAStone

5th gate? Just build a new resort Bob.
>>Orange (Disneyland, Disney California Adventure, Knott’s Berry Farm), Los Angeles (Universal Studio Hollywood, Six Flags Magic Mountain), Santa Clara (California’s Great America) and Solano (Six Flags Discovery Kingdom) counties have moved into the red/substantial tier 2. San Diego County (SeaWorld San Diego, Legoland California) remains in the purple/widespread tier 1, but is expected to move into the red tier this week.

The in-state visitor restriction for theme parks — which continues through the red, orange and yellow tiers — is tied to the current California Department of Public Health travel advisory.

Travel from outside California is “strongly discouraged” and out-of-state travelers are advised to self-quarantine for 10 days, according to the travel advisory. The advisory urges California residents to avoid traveling more than 120 miles from home.

U.S. and California health officials have discouraged recreational travel during the pandemic, which increases the risk of spreading coronavirus variants.

California Health and Human Services Secretary Mark Ghaly and California Business and Economic Development Director Dee Dee Myers spoke to the media in early March about the Newsom administration’s “Blueprint Refresh” that allows California theme parks to reopen.

They said state officials will work with theme parks to turn the broad parameters of the “California Residents Only” plan into more detailed guidelines.

“Through restrictions around how ticket sales are handled, we can really target who’s able to buy tickets,” Ghaly said. “We will be hearing from operators in these sectors who will be putting forward plans on how exactly some of these restrictions and mitigating factors will be implemented.”

How will the out-of-state travel ban be enforced at California theme parks?

“It is our hope that people will respect the guidelines and it is our expectation that the parks will work to really encourage people from California to come and others not to come until we get into a tier where that’s allowed,” Myers said. “Just by reducing the geography of where people are coming from, we think there’s just a reduction in the overall risk.”

Online reservation systems will use geocoding and GPS data to determine where theme park visitors live.

“Because they are required to make reservations online, they will be able to determine where people are coming from,” Myers said. “That will be an important tool for the operators to use.”

Online reservation systems will allow California theme parks to gather information about where visitors live and provide the ability for contact tracing should there be an COVID-19 outbreak tied to a park, according to state officials. Contact tracing allows health departments to identify and monitor people who have been exposed to COVID-19.

“If we can find a way to make sure that the venues are gathering information about people, there will eventually be an option so that people can walk up and buy a ticket where that’s appropriate and where there’s capacity at the venue,” Myers said.<<

Well good thing I still have those tickets that Disney keeps extending from last spring.
What a silly song and dance when vaccines will be available to all adults in 6 weeks.
I almost made a snarky comment that this will only matter for like 2 weeks but honestly California will probably keep these restrictions in place regardless of the ACTUAL public health impact for months.

IMHO: once everyone had sufficient opportunity to get the vaccine (e.g. most appointments are going unfilled), it is no longer the governments responsibility to do anything to protect it’s citizens from their choice to be dumb.
 

Californian Elitist

Well-Known Member
Honestly that would easily solve the problem for the vast majority lol. And make it clear on the website everyone will be asked to show ID at the entrance even after you purchased the ticket. None of this is that hard.

And yes, it's probably for just a few weeks or months anyway. If people out of California really want to go back, just wait a few weeks or months. It's already been a year, what's a little while longer?
That would really be the only way to assure it. I lived in Massachusetts for a few months but debit and credit cards were obviously still linked to my permanent California address. If they’re only using debit/credit card addresses as proof, someone like me a few years ago could easily cheat the system.
 

fctiger

Well-Known Member
That would really be the only way to assure it. I lived in Massachusetts for a few months but debit and credit cards were obviously still linked to my permanent California address. If they’re only using debit/credit card addresses as proof, someone like me a few years ago could easily cheat the system.

Yeah, that's literally the reason you have an ID in the first place. Also why they expire, so you will be forced to get a new one if you moved or something. I don't think any of this is a big deal though. Most people will be from California anyway because it's going to be such a pain for most to go the park, at least at the beginning. And international tourism is basically dead in America at the moment. So it's not going to even be a huge issue. Most will be from California regardless until capacity is expanded and less restrictions in general.
 

Californian Elitist

Well-Known Member
Yeah, that's literally the reason you have an ID in the first place. Also why they expire, so you will be forced to get a new one if you moved or something. I don't think any of this is a big deal though. Most people will be from California anyway because it's going to be such a pain for most to go the park, at least at the beginning. And international tourism is basically dead in America at the moment. So it's not going to even be a huge issue. Most will be from California regardless until capacity is expanded and less restrictions in general.
I don’t think it’s a big deal either. I highly doubt these restrictions will last very long. If they do, well... It won’t be permanent.
 

Practical Pig

Well-Known Member
With the parks reopening at possibly 25%, and with a typical pre-pandemic day being filled with 50% or so mostly local APs, Disney could have reopened only offering reservations to locals who held APs at the time they ended the program. That would easily had filled allowed capacity in the initial phase and ensured that guests were not traveling very far to be there.

Of course that doesn't support the hotels, Disney's or Good Neighbor.
 

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