Hotel occupancy for the first half of 2014

tirian

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Never said I wasn't interested.

I own stock, too.

That's why I care whether or not they're operating the company for long-term profits instead of short-term numbers that give overpaid execs ANOTHER bonus. I certainly don't need to defend a company when objective facts contradict that company's actions.

EDIT: I'm bowing out now because I don't want to get into an online argument.

As a stockholder I do have a personal stake in this. There are also many other stockholders here that are interested. Since you are not interested I would suggest you ignore the threads on hotel capacity and company profits. I put the Comcast theme park numbers up in the Universal Section a few days ago and will put up the Disney profits here on August 5th.
 

Mike S

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Hey now don't be bagging on Ripsaw! I know it's not as well done as Splash but I prefer it, not sure why but I just really enjoy it. It needs some paint and a cleaning and it will be fine I think.

Good to hear about the fireworks, they current offering at Uni is not very good IMO.
It needs some theming as well ;) (on the inside).
 

BigTxEars

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You're right, it is. However, when someone bounces from thread to thread vehemently defending a company and ignoring objective reality, something seems fishy.

Uber fan maybe, not sure but we are on a fan site so I can imagine there are some strong feelings in support of Disney around here :) I would suspect to find defenders of any subject on a forum covering that subject.

It's just that not everybody agrees that Disney is screwing things up, some people think they are doing a good job at WDW. And it seems that if you state that on here there is a small group of posters that attack you for doing so. I have found the hard way that these debates never change anyone mind, they just go on and on and they can get fairly ugly. I would guess it would be the same if we were on a Universal themed forum.
 
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BigTxEars

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Never said I wasn't interested.

I own stock, too.

That's why I care whether or not they're operating the company for long-term profits instead of short-term numbers that give overpaid execs ANOTHER bonus. I certainly don't need to defend a company when objective facts contradict that company's actions.

EDIT: I'm bowing out now because I don't want to get into an online argument.

Sept 2011 $30 per share, $87 per share now. Not sure if anybody is overpaid with that kind of performance. :)
 

cw1982

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Uber fan maybe, not sure but we are on a fan site so I can imagine there are some strong feelings in support of Disney around here :) I would suspect to find defenders of any subject on a forum covering that subject. Hell you can head over to Stormfront and find people defending Nazis of all things :confused:

It's just that not everybody agrees that Disney is screwing things up, some people think they are doing a good job at WDW. And it seems that if you state that on here there is a small group of posters that attack you for doing so. I have found the hard way that these debates never change anyone mind, they just go on and on and they can get fairly ugly. I would guess it would be the same if we were on a Universal themed forum.

It's not that he's constantly defending Disney. There are others here who take Disney's side on many issues and can debate them without getting to a point where things get hostile. The problem is he jumps from thread to thread saying things that are illogical without sound evidence to support his claims. It would be fine for him to disagree with others if he had more than anecdotal generalities or slithers of facts that are taken out of context, but that's not the case. The article he linked to doesn't even prove his own point (of which I had to figure out several posts into the thread, since he ignored my request for clarification).

If he really feels like he's being attacked, he's more than welcome to report any offending post. Instead of doing so, he continues the discussions in ways that often exacerbate the drama, so imo he really can't complain about feeling like he's being "attacked."
 

Mike S

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Uber fan maybe, not sure but we are on a fan site so I can imagine there are some strong feelings in support of Disney around here :) I would suspect to find defenders of any subject on a forum covering that subject. Hell you can head over to Stormfront and find people defending Nazis of all things :confused:

It's just that not everybody agrees that Disney is screwing things up, some people think they are doing a good job at WDW. And it seems that if you state that on here there is a small group of posters that attack you for doing so. I have found the hard way that these debates never change anyone mind, they just go on and on and they can get fairly ugly. I would guess it would be the same if we were on a Universal themed forum.
The debates here actually changed my mind. I used to be a Pixie Duster when I started reding here for the rumors. I thought everyone was losing it and WDW was perfect. After a while I started noticing everything that everyone was talking about and changed my mind. I finally saw that WDW wasn't the perfect place I thought of in my mind. So I kicked the stuff and here I am today about 4-5 years sober :)
 

PrincessNelly_NJ

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How has Disney stopped growing? They from their resort rooms to their parks they are adding on. You can say they are not growing fast enough but you can't say they have stopped growing IMO.

Ripsaw Falls may be my favorite ride in all of Orlando, but Splash Mountain is looking much better than Ripsaw these days. Ripsaw is not in bad shape but it needs at least a light overhaul, Splash looked great last month, I did not see a thing out of order or needing touching up :)

I know you mentioned Buzz earlier and it does need a overhaul as well. I would guess/hope that will come along soon. They started working on Astro Orbiter and the People Mover when we were there last month. Maybe Buzz is next, not sure. But overall the parks and rides looked great last month IMO.

Different subject but Small World must be a nightmare to keep going, there are a ton of moving parts in that thing :eek:
Have they grown that much in the last 10 years?
And by growth, I don't mean updates, I mean expansions. When was the last expansion before NFL?
 

BigTxEars

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IM the term Pixie Duster implies that anybody who enjoys Disney is just doing so because they do not know better. That is nuts IMO. I am a fairly objective person, heck I would say I am very objective in fact. But I enjoy Disney for all it offers, same for Uni. I think the extremes on both sides of this debate are so closed minded now that they can see anything but their view point. And that leads to name calling and the ideal that you have to pick either Disney or Uni to support, well screw that baby I support both :)
 

BigTxEars

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Have they grown that much in the last 10 years?
And by growth, I don't mean updates, I mean expansions. When was the last expansion before NFL?

Have they grown recently is what I am concerned with, and that is a yes :) I don't care what happened at Disney 5 years ago anymore,it has no bearing on my trip in 184 days, what is going on now does. And I think what is going on now is good stuff at both sets of parks.

Heck I remember when gas was well under $1 per gallon. If it dropped from it's current price of $3.50 per gallon to $2.00 per gallon I would be happy as can be. I certainly would not say "well yeah it's only $2.00 now, but man that still is not as good as it was when it was under $1.00" Like I said I am very much a glass half full guy so what I am seeing at WDW these days is the glass getting fuller :)
 

Mike S

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IM the term Pixie Duster implies that anybody who enjoys Disney is just doing so because they do not know better. That is nuts IMO. I am a fairly objective person, heck I would say I am very objective in fact. But I enjoy Disney for all it offers, same for Uni. I think the extremes on both sides of this debate are so closed minded now that they can see anything but their view point. And that leads to name calling and the ideal that you have to pick either Disney or Uni to support, well screw that baby I support both :)
I support both as well. The term Pixie Duster, for me anyway, is a term used to describe someone who thinks WDW is practically perfect in every way and absolutely refuses to admit there are any problems even when there's a mountain of evidence that there are. Also it's someone who refuses to admit there's any other place worth going to but Disney. For example I wouldn't call you a Pixie Duster because to me you seem to be far from it.
 

PrincessNelly_NJ

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Have they grown recently is what I am concerned with, and that is a yes :) I don't care what happened at Disney 5 years ago anymore,it has no bearing on my trip in 184 days, what is going on now does. And I think what is going on now is good stuff at both sets of parks.

Heck I remember when gas was well under $1 per gallon. If it dropped from it's current price of $3.50 per gallon to $2.00 per gallon I would be happy as can be. I certainly would not say "well yeah it's only $2.00 now, but man that still is not as good as it was when it was under $1.00" Like I said I am very much a glass half full guy so what I am seeing at WDW these days is the glass getting fuller :)

So you are okay with the parks being updated every 5 - 10 years because you only care about what effects your upcoming trip?
 

BigTxEars

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I support both as well. The term Pixie Duster, for me anyway, is a term used to describe someone who thinks WDW is practically perfect in every way and absolutely refuses to admit there are any problems even when there's a mountain of evidence that there are. Also it's someone who refuses to admit there's any other place worth going to but Disney. For example I wouldn't call you a Pixie Duster because to me you seem to be far from it.

That is a good use of the term, I have seen it used to describe me just because I don't agree with folks on here. That I don't agree with.

I think Disney has a lot of problems, but I think the good far outweighs the bad. I also can't imagine a resort turning what 40,000,000 guest per year not having issues. I do think Disney is improving, not "there" yet but getting better, and that to me is all I can ask. To be fair I think Uni has issues as well, but they too are improving.

I favor Disney over Uni, I think it is a much more complete resort, not just the parks but the whole big package I mean. Many don't agree with me, no big deal. Our differing views have no impact on our respective trips so why would I or they care? Heck I guess in fact the more folks who stay away from WDW the better off I am :)
 

BigTxEars

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So you are okay with the parks being updated every 5 - 10 years because you only care about what effects your upcoming trip?

What I am OK with is the fact that they are updating now, who know what 5-10 years from now holds. You or I certainly do not, so why worry about it? I have no ideal what Uni or Disney will be or not be building in 5 years. I know that many cool things are popping up at both Uni and WDW now, and in the short term (2 years) many more things are coming.

Of course I am most concerned about my upcoming trip, that only makes sense. But we invested a little over $20,000 in DVC in the past 8 months so I have long term confidence that WDW is going to be as cool in 10, 20 and 30 years as it is now. I may not know what they have planned but I am fine to take a wait and see attitude. Of course in 30 years I will be a drooling old man who will consider a good BM at WDW at great day :)
 

PhotoDave219

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Uber fan maybe, not sure but we are on a fan site so I can imagine there are some strong feelings in support of Disney around here :) I would suspect to find defenders of any subject on a forum covering that subject. Hell you can head over to (EDITED) and find people defending Nazis of all things :confused:

It's just that not everybody agrees that Disney is screwing things up, some people think they are doing a good job at WDW. And it seems that if you state that on here there is a small group of posters that attack you for doing so. I have found the hard way that these debates never change anyone mind, they just go on and on and they can get fairly ugly. I would guess it would be the same if we were on a Universal themed forum.

Promoting a Neo-Nazi site is not tolerated and has since been reported to the moderators.

This is a Disney site and your brand of intolerance is not welcome.
 

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