Hollywood Studios Lacking Theme

RonAnnArbor

Well-Known Member
The DHS theme is basically "Movies and media" and not much beyond that. There are a lot of assumptions in this thread that just aren't true.

To put it simply -- DHS (at the TIme Disney MGM Studios) was a rushed project from the onset and the entire idea was to open a movie-themed park at WDW before Universal Studios opened up the road. It had nothing to do with "disney magic" or "wanting a third park", or anything else. It had to do with straight-forward go for the bucks money grabbing, and it has had that problem through the years to today...

Attractions are added because they work on the west coast (ToT) or because they are cool and cheap to import from other parks where they are already proven crowd pleasers (Lights Cameras Action stunt show), etc.

Be thankful they have what they have. Had you gone to the park when it first opened (like many of us did), you'll know there was next to NOTHING to do in the park for the first few seasons.

Disney Studios in Paris also has the same problem - and they keep throwing new attractions into a hodgepodge mix. What they do better over there, though, is the movie-related stuff with two shows directly geared toward movie magic (Cinemagique and Animagique) and one show geared directly towards special effects in movies (Armageddon, as bad as it is)...but otherwise, it is the same schizoid assembly of hodgepodge rides. It's actually worse there, since some of the E-tickets are in disneyland paris itself (Star Tours, etc). Although their most creative attraction (Crushes Coaster) would make for an excellent addition at DHS in FLorida...of course, it would need to have two tracks to handle any crowd at all, versus the one track in DHS that has 1/5 the visitors each day that DHS has and STILL has 70 minute waits.

What DHS does have, though, that most people don't even pay attention to, are VERY accurate City of LA references -- from the street names, to the store names, to design of the signs, shape of the letters on windows, etc. Of course, scenic design does bubkus for those who are just running from ride to ride.
 

wizards8507

Active Member
Plans for something on 'Tangled' should have started, the next Disney classic.

Don't know about that. Every Pixar movie since A Bug's Life has out-box-officed "Tangled," and I wouldn't call any any of them "classics" in the true sense of the word, with the exception of Toy Story.
 

Mrs.Toad

Well-Known Member
I think that theme is lacking in certain areas of the park but not all of it.

DHS is very special to me too, and I know it needs improvement.

Does it need more cohesiveness in certain areas? Yes.

Is it time for some more additions? Yes. Attractions, rides, and food I would think.

To me, it is a jewel that just needs some polishing. Very hokey, but it was the thing that popped into my mind.

In general, for the distant future, the old Hollywood theme must always be promoted and preserved at DHS or all is lost.

It is the park's signature.

You never know what they will do. Look at the FLE changes. It looked like things were going one way and then...

On a sad note, look at SGE...:shrug:

They need to always keep the 30's and 40's feel for that is the main theme of the park. Especially with Sunset and Hollywood Boulevard and the Great Movie Ride, and Graumann's. And the architecture, signage, etc. in general.

I just let Aerosmith go, because it is so much fun! :zipit::animwink:

Also, big strengths have always been themed dining in this park. Putting in the Derby, 50's, and Sci-Fi were genius.

But two things...These inconsistent dining reviews scare me. There is no excuse for bad food if that is what is happening. Some say it is and others say no. But there are enough negative reviews to haunt me. DHS doesn't have many sit-down places to run, and I've seen bad reviews for QS too.

Honestly, I have always been fortunate to enjoy what I have ordered each time I go to these places over the years. Until...the first bad dinner I've ever had was at the 50's two years ago and it really bugged me. They lost my reservation too that fateful night, but I was even ok with that. It was a first.

Not sure it was only food preparation. A gray and stringy, well done steak that you originally ordered medium rare has nothing to do with each other. I believe it was also the food quality that was purchased, which many posters on this site have commented on as well from time to time.

God, not time to time. I am such a liar. Er, much more frequently than I would care to admit because I love this park.:brick:

If that is the case, they need to take care of that.

(crickets chirping):lookaroun

I can't comment on Mama Melrose because I have never been in there.

Why, you ask?

Because I will never turn down the big three to go there.

I remember thinking when I first visited the big three DHS restaurants years ago that they were brilliant ideas and fun nostalgia and that they would open more themed places in DHS.

I was so wrong!:hammer:

I think it is now time for DHS to add some more themed restaurants and support the old Hollywood theme or other themes in certain areas.

If the food in the restaurants ever slide to such a degree that the dining experiences crash and burn, that will be a problem.

Dining at DHS is a strength. I always eat there at a sitdown when I go because the nostalgia of old an old drive-in, a restaurant where the Golden Age stars dined, and a kitchenette from the 50's is now my nostalgia. I've been going to eat at 50's, Sci-Fi, and Derby since I was small and now I am an adult. I plan on taking any children I have there. And there are millions like me, and that is a strength for Disney.

Would sure hate to lose them or see them decline to a status they could never recover from.

Check some reviews from time to time. There are people that rave, and there are people that (lots of them) swear that they don't care if Elvis walked into the Sci-Fi and sat in a convertible. They will never eat there again!

Worries me.



And they need to build on other strong differently themed areas as well. Or Star Tours. Or Muppets.

Updating Star Tours is a nice start...

I love what's at DHS, but it is time for more restaurants (sit-downs) and some stores too. And an attraction every few years would be glorious.

Now for Pixar...

Pixar needs to be developed as the opposite of MK. The oldies...Snow White, Pan, etc. need to always remain part of Mk and especially FL. And for the most part that is what happens.

If the Monster Inc. coaster joins Toy Story, and then eventually other Pixar, more recent, animated Disney movies, it would make for a nice cohesive area. (I want to not use the term "land.") Perhaps Cars or other attractions too. Pizza Planet would fit in better there also.

What has happened to the scratched Muppet area always bothers me when I look at the old plans and the idea for the restaurant and area in general. I'll never give up hope that they will do something for them.

Animation Courtyard and the Backlot could use some help too, but honestly, I just don't have ideas for those areas right now. Too much going on there and yet again, not enough. It is the "I just can't put my finger on it" thing with me.
 

janoimagine

Well-Known Member
Attractions are added because they work on the west coast (ToT) or because they are cool and cheap to import from other parks where they are already proven crowd pleasers (Lights Cameras Action stunt show), etc.

Ummm ... :D I am pretty sure the TOT in Orlando is the original .... might want to double check your facts on that one. California got there attraction 10 years later than us. Lights cameras action was an import.
 
Despite the fact DHS is lacking in rides it does contain a collection of the Disney's biggest crowd pleasers in TOT, RNRC, Toy Story, Muppets (?) and hopefully Star Tours can be added to that list when it reopens. I don't want more attractions for the sake of more attractions I rather see one or two quality attractions open up rather then a few "filler" half-assed attractions.
 

Chef Mickey

Well-Known Member
Totally disagree. While Toy Story doesn't make complete sense at this park, I can see a consistent movies/hollywood theme throughout the park. Their biggest draws are some of the best rides at WDW and in the world, to me.
 

wdwfan4ver

Well-Known Member
The theme is fine because I can see a I can see a consistent movies/hollywood theme throughout the park for the most park despite having Toy Story.

It has a great nighttime show in Fantasmic. Osborne Family Lights is a must seen during late November to early January at the park.

The big peeve with the Park should be the fact Fantasmic! isn't shown every night anymore now thanks to TDO looking at their pocketbook besides lack of rides at DHS.

I first went to Disney Hollywood Studios in 1991 back when it was Disney MGM studios. The Park was rushed when it was open in 1989 according to cast member my family talked to in 1991 and that cast member mentioned Disney wanted MGM Studios open before Universal Studios. The theme park is better now that it was than.

It has great rides in terms of attracting people in terms of popularity in Tower of Tower, Rock 'n' Roller Coaster, Toy Story Mania, and Star Tours. The problem is 3 out the 4 rides isn't good for people with medical issues like my mom for an example and that is where lack of rides really shows. Back lot tour needs help or needs to get replaced. Great Movie Ride is still good, although it need an update.

Outdoor shows during the day can be a problem depending what of a year a person goes depending on the shade or if there is a breeze or people that aren't big daytime outdoor show fans at all.

Some of the indoor attractions that aren't rides are hit or miss for some people. Sound Dangerously! isn't a great attraction. American Idol Experience isn't for those who don't like to sing like myself, and the show it is based is on the decline in television viewership. One Man's dream is a great attraction. Journey into Narnia isn't a great attraction. Muppet vision 3d is good show for those who like the Muppets back when Jim Hanson was alive.
 

Wilt Dasney

Well-Known Member
Attractions are added because they work on the west coast (ToT)
Florida's Tower of Terror preceded California's by a decade (objective), and as one of the most sensibly themed additions in a park otherwise floundering for an identity has absolutely nothing to apologize for or justify in its inclusion (subjective). :)
 

ChrisFL

Premium Member
Haha! I totally get your point, but I don't think an attraction would exactly be a good idea for that franchise. After all, the Titanic was a real event and people did actually die tragic deaths on it. It would be kind of difficult to find someone who would be interested in making light of a historical tragedy in an amusement park ride. But I get what you are saying...

yeah...

titanic4.jpg
 

Enchantâmes

Active Member
I love how a 19 year old is telling me, a 26 year old, that I'm a kid.
But then again I guess the majority know all about Song of the South, that's why Splash Mountain is so popular, right?
Also Kingdom Hearts 1 earned 480 million dollars, while Little Mermaid earned 211 million dollars.
But I guess that doesn't count since no one really has seen that movie, not like Disney made a ride based on it, right?
Go back to school kid. :wave:
 

Enchantâmes

Active Member
Don't know about that. Every Pixar movie since A Bug's Life has out-box-officed "Tangled," and I wouldn't call any any of them "classics" in the true sense of the word, with the exception of Toy Story.
A Bug's Life Worldwide: $363,398,565 , Tangled (so far) Worldwide: $418,651,747
 

disneyrcks

Well-Known Member
Oh Enchantames with a biotchy retort.....so unpredictable!....knock it off E the poster is not out of line and your negative, kitchy retorts are old. DHS could use some love....Their rides are AWESOME....but the walk from MV to TOT is long....maybe an old school martini bar along the way would be good?
 

tomm4004

New Member
...I thought to myself why has the Wizarding World of Harry Potter been so successful? What does it have that Disney does not? Then I thought of all the successful movies that Universal Studios makes and expresses these movies in attractions throughout its parks. These attractions of popular movies are ATTRACTING fans to the Universal parks. Harry Potter has captivated the world not only through books but also through movies. Disney is lacking the modern hits that will attract people today...

Ironically, Harry Potter movies are Warner Bros. and not Universal. They just bought the theme park rights.

Twister and Beetlejuice are also Warner Bros. Men in Black - Columbia. Terminator - Orion. They do have actual Universal properties as well, thanks mostly to the Spielberger. Of course, most of DHS consists of outside properties as well - Star Tours, Indy, Twilight Zone, most of Great Movie Ride, Muppets (originally).
 

wizards8507

Active Member
A Bug's Life Worldwide: $363,398,565 , Tangled (so far) Worldwide: $418,651,747

That's exactly what I said. SINCE A Bug's Life. As in, "I've been in college SINCE I graduated from high school." I'm not INCLUDING my high school years in that statement, just like I wasn't INCLUDING "A Bug's Life."
 

wizards8507

Active Member
I love how a 19 year old is telling me, a 26 year old, that I'm a kid.
But then again I guess the majority know all about Song of the South, that's why Splash Mountain is so popular, right?
Also Kingdom Hearts 1 earned 480 million dollars, while Little Mermaid earned 211 million dollars.
But I guess that doesn't count since no one really has seen that movie, not like Disney made a ride based on it, right?

The Little Mermaid earned $211 million at the box office. You going to tell me they didn't sell any actual COPIES of the movie?
 
Kingdom Hearts? lol
1. The games never came close to out grossing Disney's Movies.
2. They're good games but a majority of the people who go to the parks know nothing about them or even heard of them.
3. The premise of the games is already all over the parks.
Now go back to school kid. :wave:

I think you highly underestimate the fan base of Kingdom Hearts. On one trip years ago my cousin who had pretty much a weeks worth of Kingdom Hearts t-shirts was stopped countless times in the park by people who wanted to know if they sold the shirts on property, to the point where it was almost annoying. I don't think a Kingdom Hearts attraction will happen but to sell more if any of its merchandise is not ridiculous in slightest.

To the OP... I just don't even know where this is coming from? I'm not sure any of the parks have more theme than Hollywood Studios. They even built a to-scale model hotel just to host a ride:wave:
 

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