Rumor Hollywood insiders say there's growing tension at Disney as CEO Bob Chapek chafes at Bob Iger's 'long goodbye'

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Don't they always do that? ^^^

I’ll say it…

It felt forced. Might want to rethink the death real

 

[Lilofan]

Are you saying Republicans hate gays?

That seems to be a talking point however with the help of donations , billboards in Tallahasse, Jacksonville and Orlando off of major highways are showcasing the slogan " SAY GAY". TWDC would approve!

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Because they cannot account for the number of people who will choose to park hop on any given day, thus potentially throwing their carefully controlled staffing levels into disarray because they could have too many staff somewhere and too few staff elsewhere?

Actually almost the opposite. What they’re finding is that due to the big price increases and restrictions…NO ONE is hopping.

They didn’t realize how much the “transit” on hopping lowered/managed the crowds. The movement between and “rest at the hotel”.

So now you have almost all multi day tickets, fewer passes and single days than ever before. But the restrictions combined with charging ALOT for “magic my way” hopping (which used to be almost a tossin…in the smart days) has almost no one buying hoppers.

They’re not leaving the park. They of course know full well where everyone is and the average stay is much longer.

And that goes contrary to basically the entire history/evolution of wdw. Contrary to myth: most people in the park each day are multiple or many time visitors…they used to hop/not kill it…only really fanatics do 14 hour days.

So even with “reduced” capacity…they have more people hanging around…with less stuff to do.

Not a good system Bob thinks is “working”. They took out a “link” in the chain that might have worked under mask conditions in 2020-21 (many not willing to travel)…but hit the wall after “declaring victory”.

The opinion (knowledgeable) I received was they need to drop the overcharge for hopping and promote it.. That “after 2” needs to go too.

When you cut too much…eventually you chop off your own finger.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

No, I'm saying Chapek is saying that.

Where would he ever get a crazy idea like that?

 

[erasure fan1]

It was already “in development”…and the park rot/forced “demand” was all on Bob 1. You add almost zero seat/attraction capacity while your attendance went up 20-25% during your tenure and it’s on you, Bub.

Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner!

Iger did zero for capacity in the parks. He created a problem then in true Disney fashion, charge for the solution for the problem they created.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner!

Iger did zero for capacity in the parks. He created a problem then in true Disney fashion, charge for the solution for the problem they created.

That is pretty much what the unofficial “numbers” say…

 

[Model3 McQueen]

Don't understand why, since demand is such an issue, that Disney wouldn't consider a third major location for a new theme park enterprise somewhere in the states.. instead of raising the prices on everything to the point where your average family can't afford a vacation there anymore.

 

[HauntedPirate]

Actually almost the opposite. What they’re finding is that due to the big price increases and restrictions…NO ONE is hopping.

They didn’t realize how much the “transit” on hopping lowered/managed the crowds. The movement between and “rest at the hotel”.

So now you have almost all multi day tickets, fewer passes and single days than ever before. But the restrictions combined with charging ALOT for “magic my way” hopping (which used to be almost a tossin…in the smart days) has almost no one buying hoppers.

They’re not leaving the park. They of course know full well where everyone is and the average stay is much longer.

And that goes contrary to basically the entire history/evolution of wdw. Contrary to myth: most people in the park each day are multiple or many time visitors…they used to hop/not kill it…only really fanatics do 14 hour days.

So even with “reduced” capacity…they have more people hanging around…with less stuff to do.

Not a good system Bob thinks is “working”. They took out a “link” in the chain that might have worked under mask conditions in 2020-21 (many not willing to travel)…but hit the wall after “declaring victory”.

The opinion (knowledgeable) I received was they need to drop the overcharge for hopping and promote it.. That “after 2” needs to go too.

When you cut too much…eventually you chop off your own finger.

Ah, gotcha. I hadn’t thought about the exorbitant amount they charge for hopping right now. But when you have 2-3 parks that are half days at best, what do they expect?

Of course, I have no reason to go right now, and the next time I go (hopefully with my wife and some friends ) could be the last time I go for a long time. All of Bob’s money grubbing schemes can be shoved where the Florida sun doesn’t shine. I’m more than happy waiting and saving for a few years and going to Tokyo or back to Paris instead of spending a dime in the swamps.

 

[HauntedPirate]

Don't understand why, since demand is such an issue, that Disney wouldn't consider a third major location for a new theme park enterprise somewhere in the states.. instead of raising the prices on everything to the point where your average family can't afford a vacation there anymore.

That’s a capital expenditure Bob wants no part of. He’s not a builder. (Gimme a rim shot! )

 

[Tha Realest]

Don't understand why, since demand is such an issue, that Disney wouldn't consider a third major location for a new theme park enterprise somewhere in the states.. instead of raising the prices on everything to the point where your average family can't afford a vacation there anymore.

Maybe the demand is such that they couldn’t justify the outlay for an entirely new gate or third theme park location? How much would a fifth gate cost in Orlando to build? What would they base it on? And would it result in enough of an uptick in attendance or visitors to justify its cost?

 

[lazyboy97o]

Don't understand why, since demand is such an issue, that Disney wouldn't consider a third major location for a new theme park enterprise somewhere in the states.. instead of raising the prices on everything to the point where your average family can't afford a vacation there anymore.

Disney can’t afford to build a new resort on their own.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Ah, gotcha. I hadn’t thought about the exorbitant amount they charge for hopping right now. But when you have 2-3 parks that are half days at best, what do they expect?

Of course, I have no reason to go right now, and the next time I go (hopefully with my wife and some friends ) could be the last time I go for a long time. All of Bob’s money grubbing schemes can be shoved where the Florida sun doesn’t shine. I’m more than happy waiting and saving for a few years and going to Tokyo or back to Paris instead of spending a dime in the swamps.

Anaheim in a year or two sounds good to me…I enjoy it there

And I’d like to go back to Paris if we can fit in an itinerary that’s completely changed from its original 2021 date to 2023

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Don't understand why, since demand is such an issue, that Disney wouldn't consider a third major location for a new theme park enterprise somewhere in the states.. instead of raising the prices on everything to the point where your average family can't afford a vacation there anymore.

I don’t think that holds their interests at all…

That prospect died on the battlefield at bull run in 92-93

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Maybe the demand is such that they couldn’t justify the outlay for an entirely new gate or third theme park location? How much would a fifth gate cost in Orlando to build? What would they base it on? And would it result in enough of an uptick in attendance or visitors to justify its cost?

Yes…to all of the above.

Doesn’t make sense and never will again

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

In case anyone hasn’t checked…the cost of the hopper add on…starts at $65 frikkin dollars per day…give or take…when it really should be almost nothing

That may not seem like “a lot”…but it’s on top of an average $140 mean ticket cost.

A comparison? In my day…on longer length tickets the cost of the PH ended up being $6 per day…

Switching parks helped move crowds, utilized underused spaces, and triggered the inherent human tendency to buy more in a different setting.

You know who gleaned thar through data and observation? None other than “research”.

Another thing the Bobs screwed up chasing quarterlies…telling a captive audience what they want to hear no matter if the town is being set on fire outside the city gates.

 

[bcoachable]

I have no belief that the current mess was the brainchild of chapek between iger’s retirement (also known as “plague day”) and September 2021.

It was already “in development”…and the park rot/forced “demand” was all on Bob 1. You add almost zero seat/attraction capacity while your attendance went up 20-25% during your tenure and it’s on you, Bub. They also jacked the price of tickets to make them somekind of “coveted commodity”…instead of cost covering to sell higher profit products…which is how the place worked for decades prior.

I heard an interesting take on the genie/crowd problem from an Ops person I trust just the other day. I’m ashamed I didn’t connect all the dots myself. The problem in the parks is actually park hopping. It’s enlightening.

You can’t serve that scoop of ice cream up and not give us the whip cream and cherry!!!
Edit: to say I posted this after your other responses- I see your thoughts now that I’ve finished catching up.

 

[bcoachable]

Don't understand why, since demand is such an issue, that Disney wouldn't consider a third major location for a new theme park enterprise somewhere in the states.. instead of raising the prices on everything to the point where your average family can't afford a vacation there anymore.

That’s the drum I’ve been banging!

 

[HauntedPirate]

Anaheim in a year or two sounds good to me…I enjoy it there

And I’d like to go back to Paris if we can fit in an itinerary that’s completely changed from its original 2021 date to 2023

There are still a few things I need to do in Anaheim that I didn’t get to do my first time there. But those things aren’t a strong enough pull, for me, over going to Tokyo. Or even Paris for a second time. BTM in Paris… And still need to experience Phantom Manor.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

There are still a few things I need to do in Anaheim that I didn’t get to do my first time there. But those things aren’t a strong enough pull, for me, over going to Tokyo. Or even Paris for a second time. BTM in Paris… And still need to experience Phantom Manor.

…ride it…it’s a ride…included in the ticket you pay for

 

[CaptainAmerica]

In case anyone hasn’t checked…the cost of the hopper add on…starts at $65 frikkin dollars per day…give or take…and is a similar upcharge through day 4/5…

Park Hopper is not $65 per day on multi-day tickets. Not close.