Rumor Hollywood insiders say there's growing tension at Disney as CEO Bob Chapek chafes at Bob Iger's 'long goodbye'

Mmoore29

Well-Known Member
Ok…now I know I’m being punked.

This has to be some kind of LFL PR trolling going down here.
I'm just a humble 30-year-old Publix bagger who is a student of history, a cinephile, a Star Wars fan, and someone who has quite a fondness for Disney, but not to the point of just ignoring its real flaws and problems. But Star Wars isn't one of them.

I believe very much in the following saying in the miniseries Chernobyl: "What is the cost of lies? It's not that we'll mistake them for the truth, but that in telling so many lies we no longer recognize the truth. Then all we're left with are stories." And that has very much been what has been peddled by the press and the Internet for so long. Lies and stories. Because the truth is just so boring and runs counter to their narrative.

But it's part of a bigger problem. While Disney has had very real faults, a lot of times, Disney has been the victim of continual press bashing, fueled by lies and stories and distortion. Because they couldn't stand Disney's return from irrelevance, so they handled it like a tall poppy. Lies about Disney's animated films ended up bleeding through to the other divisions. The problem of course is that latter-day Eisner moved to overcorrect from these phony barbs, which as we all know went horribly wrong, so the stories turned true in the form of self-fulfilling prophecy. And in many ways, this continues. To the point that when a very real gaffe comes up, especially those by Alan Horn and now Bob Chapek, it's gravy.

Disney isn't the only victim of all this. So much has happened in this way to so many different targets over the decades. Because it's David Geffen's town. He's the devil of Hollywood. He'll scorch the earth and burn it down, screw over his supposed friends, just so he can be the last man standing. He ruins people and careers, often by projecting his own faults onto others.

I could go into detail about Geffen, because that's the tip of the iceberg, and it's a lot worse than you expect. But I'll spare you that. Suffice to say, if he ends up only falling because he and Diller did insider trading on the Microsoft-Activision Blizzard merger, and ends up only getting the Martha Stewart treatment, I'll be very ambivalent about it.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I'm just a humble 30-year-old Publix bagger who is a student of history, a cinephile, a Star Wars fan, and someone who has quite a fondness for Disney, but not to the point of just ignoring its real flaws and problems. But Star Wars isn't one of them.

I believe very much in the following saying in the miniseries Chernobyl: "What is the cost of lies? It's not that we'll mistake them for the truth, but that in telling so many lies we no longer recognize the truth. Then all we're left with are stories." And that has very much been what has been peddled by the press and the Internet for so long. Lies and stories. Because the truth is just so boring and runs counter to their narrative.

But it's part of a bigger problem. While Disney has had very real faults, a lot of times, Disney has been the victim of continual press bashing, fueled by lies and stories and distortion. Because they couldn't stand Disney's return from irrelevance, so they handled it like a tall poppy. Lies about Disney's animated films ended up bleeding through to the other divisions. The problem of course is that latter-day Eisner moved to overcorrect from these phony barbs, which as we all know went horribly wrong, so the stories turned true in the form of self-fulfilling prophecy. And in many ways, this continues. To the point that when a very real gaffe comes up, especially those by Alan Horn and now Bob Chapek, it's gravy.

Disney isn't the only victim of all this. So much has happened in this way to so many different targets over the decades. Because it's David Geffen's town. He's the devil of Hollywood. He'll scorch the earth and burn it down, screw over his supposed friends, just so he can be the last man standing. He ruins people and careers, often by projecting his own faults onto others.

I could go into detail about Geffen, because that's the tip of the iceberg, and it's a lot worse than you expect. But I'll spare you that. Suffice to say, if he ends up only falling because he and Diller did insider trading on the Microsoft-Activision Blizzard merger, and ends up only getting the Martha Stewart treatment, I'll be very ambivalent about it.
You’re posts are well articulated. The history of a franchise is completely off…but not all of it is bad.

But the Rian johnson thing…that’s laughable. He derailed their gravy train and they STILL are trying to get it all the way back up on the tracks.

He won’t touch Star Wars again…and if some fool pushes it…due to her weird fascination…she’ll clean out her desk that day.

But good talk nonetheless.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
So Alan horn explains crappy stories and forgettable characters??

He might be 7th on that most wanted hit list
For live action Disney Studios films that weren't reliant on a previous cinematic franchise? Yes. So many children's and YA books turned into really bad movies hoping to strike Harry Potter gold.

As penance for not knowing this, you must now watch Artemis Fowl or The Nutcracker and the Four Realms.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
For live action Disney Studios films that weren't reliant on a previous cinematic franchise? Yes. So many children's and YA books turned into really bad movies hoping to strike Harry Potter gold.

As penance for not knowing this, you must now watch Artemis Fowl or The Nutcracker and the Four Realms.
Oh I’m with you there…

I thought we were talking big dogs here?


But everyone claims live action remakes were a great thing under horn too…so they might be wrong about more than just the bombs
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Oh I’m with you there…

I thought we were talking big dogs here?


But everyone claims live action remakes were a great thing under horn too…so they might be wrong about more than just the bombs
When you add up the profit from the few blockbusters and the losses from the many duds... they were only just breaking even.

Compare that to the huge profit that the Animation Studios, Pixar, Marvel, and LucasFilm were making.

You might be surprised to know I have a chart about that...
 

bcoachable

Well-Known Member
Star Wars is an all-encompassing vision that isn't just the original trilogy, isn't just George's work. Everyone who has played a role in building an impressive tapestry of content, movies and TV-wise, have truly built an incredible unifying, coherent whole. They're to be commended for their work.

Despite what the Internet and the press peddles, Star Wars is beloved and remains beloved, always has been, always will be. And including for what it is now, not just "for what it used to be." Because "what it used to be" is what it always has been, from day one. And no genuflecting at the altar of St. Gary Kurtz can change that, because Kurtz contributed precious little. It was George's vision and George's success in the original and prequel trilogies, and it's been Kathleen Kennedy, J.J. Abrams, Rian Johnson, Gareth Edwards, Ron Howard, Dave Filoni, Jon Favreau, Robert Rodriguez, and yes, Bob Iger's success. Star Wars not only survives, it thrives, and not just in pure dollars and streaming numbers. I look around, and I see warmth and ever-loving affection in the crowds I go with. The average person on street embraces Star Wars, embraces every aspect of it provided as official canon. I've seen this ever since the Special Edition releases back in 1997, I saw it in the joyful crowds at the prequels, and the excited chatter in the Disney era. These people have always gotten and understood what Star Wars is. Just because it's not how YOU understand Star Wars doesn't make it wrong. Because after all, that label was given to George Lucas himself, even though who would understand Star Wars, and the backstory of the prequels, better than the creator himself?

From the start, every word against the series was nothing a vocal minority being amplified by the vultures in the press, building a clickbait-y, revenue-hungry narrative, completely twisting the facts and gaslighting the public. It wasn't enough to say that Jake Lloyd, Hayden Christensen and Ahmed Best were despised, and that Lloyd was being bullied mercilessly; no, they had to go further and make lies of how Natalie Portman was bullied and considered an awful actor, even though her career has been active and flourishing since the release of The Professional in 1994, and she was getting plenty of work in that time, including Garden State. It also wasn't enough to say "this is what the perception is NOW,"; it became "this is perception from day one in 1999", which was never the truth. But say a lie enough times, it becomes the truth. And that has been what the media has always loved to do with Star Wars.

But despite that, the public has embraced the series fully. They're the true fans of the series, despite what whiny, entitled people like Simon Pegg say. Same way true fans of the band Kiss support the band not being Paul Stanley, Gene Simmons, Ace Frehley and Peter Criss, because Kiss is not Ace, Peter, Gene and Paul; it's the Space Ace, the Catman, the Demon and the Starchild. The true fans of Kiss know this, and they show up at the concerts.

If you want an example of people who truly did what everyone from George to Filoni have been accused of being guilty of, of not understand the source material and ruining it to impose their own vision, look at what Julie Taymor, Bono and The Edge did with the Broadway musical Spider-Man: Turn Off the Dark. They all admitted they had no intention to truly make a deep dive through the source material or dive much further than the Sam Raimi trilogy, and Taymor insisted on putting forward her vision that "Greek and Roman gods and demigods are the original superheroes." And then to establish this, she put forward this insane, convoluted story that robs Spider-Man of what makes him Spider-Man and takes away his agency. Not to mention that Bono and Edge, whose score was already dull and lifeless and unfit for Broadway, were forced to write a song that even they thought was garbage, for a scene where the character of Arachne...steals shoes.



Needless to say, there's only one response to this:



This and other reasons contributed to Taymor being fired from her own project, and changes made to the script and score. But the changes didn't make it any better, it just made dull and incredibly boring, and it made the character of Arachne pointless, without her contributing anything of worth. All of this because no one ever cracked the whip to tell either Taymor, "This is pointless, absurd and too expensive," or to even tell Bono and Edge, "These songs suck, start again." (And I'm a very big U2 fan who has long defended Bono from the charges of pretentiousness, but he's not making it easy here!)

THIS is what ruining a mythos to put one's own vision in looks like. Not Lucasfilm.

Kudos for o you for tying Star Wars, Spiderman, and U2 into a response to a “Chapek is on the way out” thread! I want to party with you, cowboy. :)
 

CaptinEO

Well-Known Member
Agreed. I still have my genesis with master gear converter hooked up on my main tv to this day. Wonderboy 2 & 3, phantasy star, space harrier, Golvellius,. Quartet... All still get played a lot.

Alright it is settled! SEGA MASTER SYSTEM LAND in the studios! BOOM!
I don't want to derail the thread but yes please to all of this!
 

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