Rumor Hollywood insiders say there's growing tension at Disney as CEO Bob Chapek chafes at Bob Iger's 'long goodbye'

SirLink

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But that’s not what I’m talking about

I didn’t say they shouldn’t have made pirates…I’m saying they lost control of him and suffered in the later films
TBH there was only one bad film, and Dick Cook could control him but Iger decided to fire Cook for embarrassing the other divisions at their first D23 ... then in the process annoyed Jerry Bruckheimer, Del Toro and a bunch of other talent.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
It's complicated! China's big on government control. Tow the party line.
"Films must be submitted to the State Administration of Press, Publication, Radio, Film and Television (SARFT) for censorship prior to being cleared for import into China. This entails a three-step process: The filmmakers submit their screenplay or finished film to the Censorship Board for review."
Yes, so why was the previous MCUs ok, but not this one?
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
TBH there was only one bad film, and Dick Cook could control him but Iger decided to fire Cook for embarrassing the other divisions at their first D23 ... then in the process annoyed Jerry Bruckheimer, Del Toro and a bunch of other talent.
So…the point still remains…whether you agree with it is up to you👍🏻
 

skypilot2922

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TBH there was only one bad film, and Dick Cook could control him but Iger decided to fire Cook for embarrassing the other divisions at their first D23 ... then in the process annoyed Jerry Bruckheimer, Del Toro and a bunch of other talent.
Ah, yes Disney’s traditional pee on creatives because executives are the true creators of Disney’s success.
 

Magenta Panther

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The Jack Sparrow character was damaged in later Pirates films by bad scripting IMO. At times, Sparrow was even made unsympathetic, for some damn reason (his interaction with Bootstrap Bill Turner, who was killed because he stuck up for Sparrow during a mutiny, is especially tone-deaf. I kept waiting for Jack to show some empathy during his meeting with poor old Bill, but the writers pretty much effed it up.) And THEN a line was cut that actually ennobled Jack a bit. He was (as I remember) talking to Captain Beckett aboard his ship, and the subject of "cargo" came up, and Jack was supposed to say: "People ain't cargo, mate." WHY WAS THAT LINE CUT? It would have clearly shown that Jack was against slavery. Jack is a self-serving rascal, to be sure, but giving him a bit more depth sure wouldn't have hurt. And then there were the times when Sparrow was abandoned by scriptwriters altogether to stagger and squint rather than say anything clever or even comprehensible. When his crew is trying to get him to tell them what that key drawing meant, his avoidance of the subject (stagger, squint) was downright annoying. Not funny. Not intriguing. Just annoying.

And hoo boy, "At World's End", what a damn mess of a movie. I was not only let down, I was horrified by so many bad moments. Jack's sniffing nose. The Giant Mossy-Toothed Woman (Calypso). Beckett's dazed Dead Man Walking defeat. And more! Not only was the flick overwritten (way too "plotty", as Howard Ashman would say), it was BADLY written. After the fun of the first two films, the third was even worse than Return of the Jedi (and that's saying something). The only good moment was when Jack stabbed the Heart to save Will and defeat Davey Jones - the distress on Jack's face during that was his only human moment. What a way to wreck a character. I didn't even watch the other films after that one. Decided not to get burned again. Heartbreaking.

Still, I do want more Pirates films...but NOT if they're going to be as bad as most of the films in the prior Pirates franchise. NOT if the Redd character is going to be a soppy Mary Sue, like Elizabeth, who damn near ruined the FIRST Pirates movie due to PC pandering. As for Captain Jack...well, I think he should be in there somewhere. Maybe as a cameo, but an effective one, an endearing one, not one meant to destroy the character, as was done to Han, Leia and Luke in the despicable new Star Wars flicks. Rant over.
 

GimpYancIent

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I am under the understanding there is a reboot of Pirates in development right now. This is what I have read; "Margot Robbie’s Pirates of the Caribbean will be an original take on the franchise, finally leaving Jack Sparrow behind and everything that came with him." At the very least the lead character will not be any strain on the eyes.
 

Bob

Bo0bi3$
Premium Member
Why cant the Bobs just get along? @Bob fix it!
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CaptainAmerica

Premium Member
I am kind of interested to know how Pixar felt about Luca being released solely on Disney+. Perhaps that will mean it is seen by as many or more people than if it was released at cinemas, but for such a nicely done film it did seem unusual they didn't give it any mainstream cinema release. Seems to kind of relegate it by default to 'second tier' status when I'm not sure it deserves that.
You're living in 2015, mate.

Loki is not "second tier" to Black Widow in the MCU.
 

skypilot2922

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Major shame that Lasseter turned out to be a handsy creep.

Was he or did he have an alcohol abuse problem that made him a sloppy ‘i vuv youu’ drunk who hugged and touched inappropriately.

Iger hated him from day one because he and Joe Rohde were the last powerful creatives left in the company. Me Too was an excuse to get rid of him, Yet people with far worse Yet James Gunn who did far worse was fired and then brought back because Iger liked him.
 

ImperfectPixie

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Was he or did he have an alcohol abuse problem that made him a sloppy ‘i vuv youu’ drunk who hugged and touched inappropriately.

Iger hated him from day one because he and Joe Rohde were the last powerful creatives left in the company. Me Too was an excuse to get rid of him, Yet people with far worse Yet James Gunn who did far worse was fired and then brought back because Iger liked him.
James Gunn didn't do anything wrong. He also apologized for it before it even blew up and changed his ways prior to being hired by Disney.

He made bad taste jokes for pete's sake. :rolleyes:
 

pdude81

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Was he or did he have an alcohol abuse problem that made him a sloppy ‘i vuv youu’ drunk who hugged and touched inappropriately.

Iger hated him from day one because he and Joe Rohde were the last powerful creatives left in the company. Me Too was an excuse to get rid of him, Yet people with far worse Yet James Gunn who did far worse was fired and then brought back because Iger liked him.
I must have missed the stories about James Gunn touching subordinates against their will. Wait, you said far worse... do tell.
 

Sir_Cliff

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Was he or did he have an alcohol abuse problem that made him a sloppy ‘i vuv youu’ drunk who hugged and touched inappropriately.

Iger hated him from day one because he and Joe Rohde were the last powerful creatives left in the company. Me Too was an excuse to get rid of him, Yet people with far worse Yet James Gunn who did far worse was fired and then brought back because Iger liked him.
Strange that one of Iger's first big moves as CEO was to buy Pixar and take advantage of that deal to get Lasseter involved with Disney Feature Animation if he hated him so much.

The stories were also not of Lasseter getting a bit touchy feely and emotional after a few drinks. It was patently obvious that he had an alcohol problem, though. I'm surprised they let him go out at that last D23.
 

ImperfectPixie

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Strange that one of Iger's first big moves as CEO was to buy Pixar and take advantage of that deal to get Lasseter involved with Disney Feature Animation if he hated him so much.

The stories were also not of Lasseter getting a bit touchy feely and emotional after a few drinks. It was patently obvious that he had an alcohol problem, though. I'm surprised they let him go out at that last D23.
Yeah...women don't name a defensive move after you unless there's major misconduct going on.
 

RSoxNo1

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I am not so sure on that. They do kinda have Spider Man, and Thor is still kicking. Fantastic Four if finally done right I think can be great. Anthony Mackie is no Chris Evans for sure but I like him. Also the current talk of Daredevils return with Vincent D'Onofrio supposedly coming back as Kingpin. Also as you mentioned there is the 500lb Gorilla of the X-men standing in the wings. I dont know who could replace Hugh Jackman as Wolverine he did great for someone who looks NOTHING like the comic book Wolvie. I am also not completely sold we have seen the last of Chris Evans either. Now Iron Man I fully expect a recast and him to return. Its Marvel nobody is ever truely gone but those will be huge shoes to fill.
I would argue that Anthony Mackie is a better interview than Chris Evans. Nothing against Chris Evans at all, but simply having seen interviews of both, Mackie seems like the better interview to me.
 

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