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HKDL gets new castle, frozen land and marvel land?????

BrianLo

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^The coaster was never technically announced, was it? There was just the changing of the main concept art. I'm hoping that a well-themed coaster is built instead of Luigi's Sleds, but is it set in stone? Insider confirmation? You'd think they'd crow about that kind of upgrade when the art changed...
It was super buried in one of the press releases when the revised concept art was revealed in May 2018.

"They will enjoy an exciting family thrill ride that traverses the natural landscape, built by Wandering Oaken for this special occasion."
 

RandySavage

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^Thanks. Size becomes a question now, as a re-themed SDMT clone would take a lot more than the originally allocated space. Hoping this is an all-new coaster, same level of theme-ing as SDMT and no less duration.

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After a quick comparison, I don't think the expansion area is enlarged, as it looks like they are sticking with the original land-use plan.
It looks like the backstage road has moved from bottom yellow line to the bottom red line. Of course those features/building would need to be cleared to make use of the added space.
 
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nevol

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Could the reimagined attraction be outside of fantasyland and tomorrowland where most of the focus has been? Peter pan would be a new ride system, so that leaves us with either a new film for philharmagic, or a permanent overlay of space mountain (unlikely given the marvel attention the land is already receiving).

How about a Lion King or Jungle Book overlay to the Jungle Cruise?
 

HKDLer

New Member
Could the reimagined attraction be outside of fantasyland and tomorrowland where most of the focus has been? Peter pan would be a new ride system, so that leaves us with either a new film for philharmagic, or a permanent overlay of space mountain (unlikely given the marvel attention the land is already receiving).

How about a Lion King or Jungle Book overlay to the Jungle Cruise?
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This has always been the plan.
Photo courtesy: This is Mr. B

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And no, the Avengers building doesn’t go beyond the train spur line.
 
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nevol

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This has always been the plan.
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And no, the Avengers building doesn’t go beyond the train spur line.
For clarification, are you telling me that the avenger's coaster and space mountain are the same thing? This would be news to many people. I am fairly certain that new structure is adjacent to Iron Man Experience, and the vantage point of this concept art, given the architectural detail in the bottom left corner, is over the roof of space mountain.
 

HKDLer

New Member
For clarification, are you telling me that the avenger's coaster and space mountain are the same thing? This would be news to many people. I am fairly certain that new structure is adjacent to Iron Man Experience, and the vantage point of this concept art, given the architectural detail in the bottom left corner, is over the roof of space mountain.
No they’re different projects. As I wrote earlier, 2021 will be the time when Star Wars leaves the mountain.
 

nevol

Well-Known Member
No they’re different projects. As I wrote earlier, 2021 will be the time when Star Wars leaves the mountain.
Okay thanks! The way your other post was worded made it sound like you were implying that Space Mountain was to become the avengers attraction. Thanks for the clarification!
 

PymParty

Active Member
@HKDLer what do you think the overlay of SM will be ?
For sure it will not be Marvel because Tomorrowland will stay after the opening of Marvel land and it cannot have only Orbitron as ride.
 

BrianLo

Well-Known Member
This is actually possible and would be the most plausible answer
But after looking at this paper from the legislative Council of Hong Kong (https://www.legco.gov.hk/yr17-18/english/panels/edev/papers/edev20180226cb4-599-5-e.pdf), which is the moment when the date shift for the expansion was quietly announced (February 2018), you can see on page 5 that the "re-imagined project" is still announced for 2021 although Frozen is announced for the same year (see screenshot).

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also, as it is this specific expansion plan that the LegCo of Hong Kong voted for, i don't think Disney could modify it without any consultation from the HK Gov.

The SDWT style coaster was announced in May of that year and I can't believe the change was decided quickly between February and May. I think the additional cost that came with the coaster was taken from other projects, for example the Moana stage has been considerably scaled down between the first concept art and the final product.

Therefore, I still believe the re-imagined project is happening in 2021 and I think we will hear about it soon, maybe D23 ?

I just read that again. I had not seen them officially anywhere mention the changed dates (i.e. Ant Man 2019-2021 Frozen) AND still mention the Marvel attraction staying in 2023. That was all just speculation on my part that the Marvel attraction would come on time.

I actually believe it slightly more that there is a possibility a revised attraction plans still might not have been absorbed into Frozen now based on this. But I won't totally get my hopes up and just assume Frozen possibly absorbed it. Hopefully they talk about it again, although it probably would only be an 18 month turnaround for whatever it winds up being. I also would not be surprised *IF* it was a thing they'd want it pushed to 2022 to spread things out.
 

BrianLo

Well-Known Member
Could the reimagined attraction be outside of fantasyland and tomorrowland where most of the focus has been? Peter pan would be a new ride system, so that leaves us with either a new film for philharmagic, or a permanent overlay of space mountain (unlikely given the marvel attention the land is already receiving).

How about a Lion King or Jungle Book overlay to the Jungle Cruise?
Philharmagic is widely believed to be a plan for MK's 50th. With animation apparently happening. So it could just be as simple as "we'll give you Philharmagic in 2021, but you can't talk about it yet since we are holding onto it for MK".


^Thanks. Size becomes a question now, as a re-themed SDMT clone would take a lot more than the originally allocated space. Hoping this is an all-new coaster, same level of theme-ing as SDMT and no less duration.
Lest we forget SDMT wasn't the most efficient use of space.

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MickeyMario

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I spoke w someone who knows people involved in the design of the castle. The awful color scheme in the press release was chosen intentionally so that when the project is finally revealed and has a normal paint job, it will turn out better than expected and be treated as a major success.
If that's true, sounds like they weren't very confident in the project to begin with
 

nevol

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If that's true, sounds like they weren't very confident in the project to begin with
It is an odd approach indeed. In the past, concept artists from animation backgrounds painted beautiful concept art for the parks that drove design and also stood alone as artworks. In this case, they are confident enough in the project to move ahead, yet can't create decent artwork of it? Instead, they're creating intentionally BAD art so that we are surprised when the project looks good in any capacity?
 

RandySavage

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This is apples to oranges as the Disney graphic doesnt give exact arch. elevations, but the pic @D231016 posted allows a little bit of a side by side. I tried to align the tops of the tallest towers on the two SB castle bases.

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The before & after photos come 2020 are going to be pretty cool...
 
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