HKDL gets new castle, frozen land and marvel land.

Supersnow84

Supersnow84

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BrianLo said:
That was just an example. You are further confusing that 10% of the attendance of TDR is up for grabs or cross pollinate. It's not 10%, it's not even 1%, it's probably 0.1%.

Neither TDR or HKDL are major sole attendance drivers. Don't let a few crazy North Americans and a Brit convince you otherwise. International Guests are pulled to the region (or already are in the region) and Disney Parks bite into their vacation plans otherwise.

Likewise those who visit TDR Internationally are by and large on a Japan trip already. Maybe TDR itself is turning into a destination, but barely. WDW is weird and probably distracts more from HKDL than TDR ever has or ever will.
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It’s not the 10% are up for grabs it’s that there is a certain percentage of each parks attendance that is flexible about which park they will visit or if they even chose to visit a park

In general people don’t plan a trip to the Asian Disney cities to go to the Asian Disney parks but if you are pre-planning a trip that involves going to a Disney park then the city you choose to go to can become flexible

For example in my time as a travel agent in Australia and who was the regional specialist in high end trips involving disney parks it wasn’t “well I’m going to Japan anyway so I guess it’s Tokyo Disney” it was “Tokyo Disney is better than Hong Kong Disney so that encouraging me to go to Japan over Hong Kong”

It’s hard to quantify how much of the flexible attendance at each park is driven by the quality of the parks offerings vs “just already being in said city” but since HK draws more of its attendance from regional visitors who have the financial capacity to sub it out for Tokyo its not great for HK even if when all is said and done said flexible people are a small number of Tokyo’s attendance because said market is Hong Kong’s primary short term market expansion since it’s close to saturated the local city population and the wife GBA is messy till they relax the border
 
disney.dreams

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a clear version of the map is here! it's cool to see the lantau island landscape is included as well
 
IMDREW

IMDREW

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So after seeing the videos I'm afraid people are gonna tear down these rides online. They both look beautiful imo and I can't wait to ride them, but one did turn out te be almost an exact copy of a reskin (no new tricks or surprises) and the other "original" is less than 1 minute long. Yikes.

I still see the land as a great success to my love for the park personally, but I'm really scared how this will be perceived.

FEA looks alot better than Epcot imo. It feels better paced (do the boats move slower?) and just way better executed. Except the opening with Olaf. I love how the boats go around him in Epcot and he moves with them. Thats kinda lost here. But the beautiful animatronics and fleshed out empty walls make the ride a definite good ride I think. It feels complete and worth it.

WOSS has some beautiful views and looks top notch. But it's just so darn short. I'd had that lift hill move slower, but then there's not much to look at in that hallway. It feels less than the first part of Expedition Everest and thats the part BEFORE the true ride begins! And how disappointing Seven Dwarfs is to many, this is half of that. A bit style over substance, but I am a sucker for design and this coaster is so beautiful. From the mountain to the trains themselves to the views of Arendelle. Very mixed on it.

As a land it's a beautiful addition to the park with quite a few offerings, but if it will move the needle for foreigners to visit? We'll see I guess. I do wish them the best of luck! And congrats on one of the most beautiful new lands!

*edited to say it does look like the banks on the coaster are far better than SDMT and without those useless swinging cars it should pack more of a punch!
 
Supersnow84

Supersnow84

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IMDREW said:
So after seeing the videos I'm afraid people are gonna tear down these rides online. They both look beautiful imo and I can't wait to ride them, but one did turn out te be almost an exact copy of a reskin (no new tricks or surprises) and the other "original" is less than 1 minute long. Yikes.

I still see the land as a great success to my love for the park personally, but I'm really scared how this will be perceived.

FEA looks alot better than Epcot imo. It feels better paced (do the boats move slower?) and just way better executed. Except the opening with Olaf. I love how the boats go around him in Epcot and he moves with them. Thats kinda lost here. But the beautiful animatronics and fleshed out empty walls make the ride a definite good ride I think. It feels complete and worth it.

WOSS has some beautiful views and looks top notch. But it's just so darn short. I'd had that lift hill move slower, but then there's not much to look at in that hallway. It feels less than the first part of Expedition Everest and thats the part BEFORE the true ride begins! And how disappointing Seven Dwarfs is to many, this is half of that. A bit style over substance, but I am a sucker for design and this coaster is so beautiful. From the mountain to the trains themselves to the views of Arendelle. Very mixed on it.

As a land it's a beautiful addition to the park with quite a few offerings, but if it will move the needle for foreigners to visit? We'll see I guess. I do wish them the best of luck! And congrats on one of the most beautiful new lands!

*edited to say it does look like the banks on the coaster are far better than SDMT and without those useless swinging cars it should pack more of a punch!
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That’s basically my perception after seeing all of this

It’s a really beautiful land but a lot of style without much substance in the park that can least afford to have a lot of style with no substance

Again it seems to draw back to the idea the expansion was balanced around also getting the f ticket but we didn’t get that
 
PymParty

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okay, so looking at the videos, here are my first thoughts on both rides :

- FEA looks great. It was already a good ride at EPCOT, it looks even better know. I really think it's biggest flaw is to be a 80%-copy of an existing ride, but remember that we are park fans, and that most visitors of HKDL will have no clue a very similar ride exists elsewhere. EPCOT and HKDL are located on the other side of the planet, so really share no customer base, except hardcore fans. Honestly, a 7-minute long high-quality dark ride with a drop (and AC) really is something that will enormously benefit the park's ride lineup.

- WOSS is reall short, but the coaster itself looks to pack more sensations that I was expecting. The scenery around it is out of this world, it is so well integrated. I think the biggest mistake here is the way this ride was marketed. It was presented as a headliner, a world first, a major beautifully-themed coaster addition; whereas it should always have been marketed as the second small supporting ride, where children (and their parents) will enjoy a coaster experience much calmer than on other coasters of the park. The thing now is, because of the way it was marketed, and because of the views from outside, guests will come in with expectations and will leave underwhelmed...
 
Hkayer

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IMDREW said:
WOSS has some beautiful views and looks top notch. But it's just so darn short. I'd had that lift hill move slower, but then there's not much to look at in that hallway. It feels less than the first part of Expedition Everest and thats the part BEFORE the true ride begins! And how disappointing Seven Dwarfs is to many, this is half of that. A bit style over substance, but I am a sucker for design and this coaster is so beautiful. From the mountain to the trains themselves to the views of Arendelle. Very mixed on it.
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WOSS was intended to be a junior coaster. It should be compared to barnstormer or gadget go coaster or flight of hippogriff. People have a high expectation on it which it isn't capable of. I think after the previews, at least more people will acknowledge about its length. The situation will get better when people realise that WOSS is well-themed but a junior coaster and not the e-ticket of this land.
 
Supersnow84

Supersnow84

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Hkayer said:
WOSS was intended to be a junior coaster. It should be compared to barnstormer or gadget go coaster or flight of hippogriff. People have a high expectation on it which it isn't capable of. I think after the previews, at least more people will acknowledge about its length. The situation will get better when people realise that WOSS is well-themed but a junior coaster and not the e-ticket of this land.
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True but it does leave this 7 year expansion without a headliner and mystic manor still struggling to fill the shoes of being really the only absolutely stellar unique attraction to the park
 
Hkayer

Hkayer

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Supersnow84 said:
True but it does leave this 7 year expansion without a headliner and mystic manor still struggling to fill the shoes of being really the only absolutely stellar unique attraction to the park
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Yeah. The park still lacks the f-ticket. But after seeing the FEA video, it gives me an impression of being so spacious and grand compared to the Epcot version. The audio-animatronics are very good. The taller drop added thrills which I think will really attract ppl to ride. I think this upgraded FEA suits well as a headliner of the land as most ppl in this half of the planet haven't experienced it. I don't think they will be disappointed riding it.

I think this land is good enough to attract people who love Frozen. But I do agree that the F-ticket is much needed for the park to compete in the area.
 

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