HKDL gets new castle, frozen land and marvel land.

[No Name]

I trust OLC's choices over just about anything for any other resort. The results speak for themselves.

Well OLC has nothing to do with Hong Kong Disneyland.

 

[Timothy_Q]

As others have said I think a Scandanavian port would have meshed better than the fantasyland with waterfalls we are going to get. I would have preferred port frozen and maybe a moana south seas area or a pirate area to continue the seas theme but I’ll hold off judgement until it opens

I fully believe the expansion pad where the Scandinavian port would've gone will eventually be used for a South Pacific / Moana port down the line.

Considering how intent Disney is on adding Moana to the parks, and what an obvious choice she is for DisneySea

 

[No Name]

Sliding Sleighs is the junior coaster that HKDL was missing. The fact that it's beautifully themed shouldn't be a knock against it.

The problem with the theming is you can’t tell how short it is, so yeah, that’s kind of a valid knock against it. With Barnstormer you can see the whole track so there’s no surprise when it’s over in like 15 seconds. Even Seven Dwarfs Mine train, which dwarfs this coaster in length, surprises people with how short it is. I think the length will be an issue.

Still better than the original plan.

 

[Supersnow84]

The problem with the theming is you can’t tell how short it is, so yeah, that’s kind of a valid knock against it. With Barnstormer you can see the whole track so there’s no surprise when it’s over in like 15 seconds. Even Seven Dwarfs Mine train, which dwarfs this coaster in length, surprises people with how short it is. I think the length will be an issue.

Still better than the original plan.

It’s definitely better than the original plan but I also agree that I think people are going to be shocked/annoyed at just how short the ride actually is (not that not having it would be a better idea though)

As for the “it’s the junior coaster HK needed that I more disagree on, HK ride for ride the castle park most favourable to young children, it really only has 3 thrill rides; one of which is explicitly designed as a “thrills ride for kids” and another is the calmest version of the 5 rides it attempts to imitate

If anything like we have collectively discussed the park needs a mega E ticket and it needs to have a more adult focus to bring the suite of older designed attractions from 4(5) (mystic manor, big grizzly, space mountain iron man experience and debatably jungle cruise) up to 5(6) so the park is a full day experience for all ages, not just parents with kids who waste 3/4 of a day on dumbo and the carrousel

 

[Supersnow84]

How would you make New Fantasyland not or less messy? The question will lead to which World of Arendelle becomes the best looking in atmosphere not based on its experience. For now it's HDL but who knows with Paris and Tokyo!

I don’t really like the idea of 3 random Disney properties being thrown together with a vague “it’s the forest behind Cinderella’s castle”, on top of this the position of 7DMT makes the land feel like it’s got no cohesion because you have to walk all the way around it to get anywhere

I feel like the land should tell you why it exists and what it’s doing, i don’t feel like new fantasyland does that

As for which frozen ends up feeling the best I think Paris is out of the running since HK is just Paris but better, but it remains to be seen if Tokyo passes HK

 

[Architectural Guinea Pig]

I don’t really like the idea of 3 random Disney properties being thrown together with a vague “it’s the forest behind Cinderella’s castle”, on top of this the position of 7DMT makes the land feel like it’s got no cohesion because you have to walk all the way around it to get anywhere

I feel like the land should tell you why it exists and what it’s doing, i don’t feel like new fantasyland does that

As for which frozen ends up feeling the best I think Paris is out of the running since HK is just Paris but better, but it remains to be seen if Tokyo passes HK

OLC does what it wants to do, and usually their decisions and results are better than Disney’s. It will all piece together soon enough.

 

[Supersnow84]

OLC does what it wants to do, and usually their decisions and results are better than Disney’s. It will all piece together soon enough.

OLC I agree tends to put in enough money and effort that even some more “interesting” decisions come out well enough which is why I’m reserving judgment for when it actually opens

Like new fantasyland if Disney itself proposed the same thing if they owned TDS we’d probably be looking at “middling to poor” so OLC is the wildcard here

 

[PymParty]

First look at the inside of Golden Crocus Inn (the quick service restaurant of WOF) taken during an event for the CMs working in the land.

Source : Magic Post

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[malice]

So soft openings when…?

 

[disney.dreams]

So soft openings when…?

cast member’s friends, family previews and annual pass holders previews begin in coming weeks, so we can expect more footages and maybe more feedbacks for the rides themselves

personally i’m quite curious on the playhouse in the woods, its probably a bit similar to the small frozen show in paris i guess

 

[Supersnow84]

To be honest while it’s good to get a bit more feedback about the rides themselves I think what we really need from arendelle is to see if this makes the average guest think that HKDL is “good enough” to be worth it now

Two decent new rides in a pretty new land won’t do much if the attendance is still bad because the average guest thinks the park is a waste of time

 

[Hkayer]

The time for this land to draw large attendance is limited as Fantasy Springs is opening not far behind. Most people's attention would be turned to Tokyo once they start advertising given the scale of the land. Arendelle will surely benefit HKDL but after comparison, the park may still be "a waste of time" for people when deciding which Disney park to visit. The park's attendance may see a big jump in the first few months but not long-lasting. Despite that, the park's offering is improving and could at least draw more people from the closer regions.

 

[Haymarket]

From the other day.

 

[malice]

cast member’s friends, family previews and annual pass holders previews begin in coming weeks, so we can expect more footages and maybe more feedbacks for the rides themselves

personally i’m quite curious on the playhouse in the woods, its probably a bit similar to the small frozen show in paris i guess

Oh, I meant soft opening to the general public. I was aware of the cast and magic access dates.

 

[IMDREW]

Never seen anything other than that one concept art of the HKDL Pirates Splash before! The park needed and still needs this ride imo. This looks like something that would tip the scale for tourists to choose HKDL over another disney resort. They could cancel the Marvel E-ticket for this if it would be up to me. It just looks so cool.

 

[J4546]

ive never seen that before, looks incredible imo.

 

[BrianLo]

The time for this land to draw large attendance is limited as Fantasy Springs is opening not far behind. Most people's attention would be turned to Tokyo once they start advertising given the scale of the land. Arendelle will surely benefit HKDL but after comparison, the park may still be "a waste of time" for people when deciding which Disney park to visit. The park's attendance may see a big jump in the first few months but not long-lasting. Despite that, the park's offering is improving and could at least draw more people from the closer regions.

Despite the grouping on this forum, there’s almost a non existent attendance overlap between HKDL and TDR. They are not, nor ever will be in any true competition with one another.

Even in 2019 more than 90% of TDR attendees were from Japan.

 

[Supersnow84]

Despite the grouping on this forum, there’s almost a non existent attendance overlap between HKDL and TDR. They are not, nor ever will be in any true competition with one another.

Even in 2019 more than 90% of TDR attendees were from Japan.

There isn’t attendance overlap but there can be advertising overlap that causes people to become confused or for one to drown the other one out

Tokyo Disney locals rarely go to any other park but it would be pretty easy for fantasy springs to pull away from HK for the more flexible of HK’s attendance (that makes up the 10% of Tokyo’s attendance)- the Australians and the SEA guests which are their best bet for expansion since it’s messy to pull from the Chinese side of the GBA border

 

[Robbiem]

There isn’t attendance overlap but there can be advertising overlap that causes people to become confused or for one to drown the other one out

Tokyo Disney locals rarely go to any other park but it would be pretty easy for fantasy springs to pull away from HK for the more flexible of HK’s attendance (that makes up the 10% of Tokyo’s attendance)- the Australians and the SEA guests which are their best bet for expansion since it’s messy to pull from the Chinese side of the GBA border

I don’t think Tokyo can advertise internationally under its deal with Disney. That doesn’t mean of course that people won’t know about fantasy springs

On a wider question do people visit Hong Kong or Tokyo for Disney or do they visit while they are there? I’m no expert but I assume that most people would visit while they were on a longer visit to the wider area rather than specifically visiting the Disney resorts, especially Hong Kong

 

[BrianLo]

There isn’t attendance overlap but there can be advertising overlap that causes people to become confused or for one to drown the other one out

Tokyo Disney locals rarely go to any other park but it would be pretty easy for fantasy springs to pull away from HK for the more flexible of HK’s attendance (that makes up the 10% of Tokyo’s attendance)- the Australians and the SEA guests which are their best bet for expansion since it’s messy to pull from the Chinese side of the GBA border

That was just an example. You are further confusing that 10% of the attendance of TDR is up for grabs or cross pollinate. It's not 10%, it's not even 1%, it's probably 0.1%.

Neither TDR or HKDL are major sole attendance drivers. Don't let a few crazy North Americans and a Brit convince you otherwise. International Guests are pulled to the region (or already are in the region) and Disney Parks bite into their vacation plans otherwise.

Likewise those who visit TDR Internationally are by and large on a Japan trip already. Maybe TDR itself is turning into a destination, but barely. WDW is weird and probably distracts more from HKDL than TDR ever has or ever will.