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Haunted Mansion to Return with New Enhancements and Magic :(

DavidDL

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I just wanted to point something out in that comparing Japanese culture and their desire to hide their CM's tattoos currently (-and claiming them to be superior because of it) isn't a fair comparison to us in the states. Their culture is different and tattoos are more taboo over there because of their historic ties to the Yakuza.


That's not so much the case over here. So drawing a comparison between the two isn't fair, especially if one isn't able to move on with just about everyone else in North America.
 

DavidDL

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At this point it'd be fun to have a thread for folks to show off their Disney sides. We're already way off course in terms of Mansion, hah.
 

AL2000HS

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Ooh! Good question. How many people are allowed in each elevator? And are there markers to stand on, or what?
Before previews they have 4 makers in the foyer basically each corner. Stretch room has 5 markers all numbered. After the four groups are let in and assigned a number, the 5th group (that was waiting on the porch) finally gets let in. If you're number 5, you miss out on the spiels entirely.
 

TP2000

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I just wanted to point something out in that comparing Japanese culture and their desire to hide their CM's tattoos currently (-and claiming them to be superior because of it) isn't a fair comparison to us in the states. Their culture is different and tattoos are more taboo over there because of their historic ties to the Yakuza.


That's not so much the case over here. So drawing a comparison between the two isn't fair, especially if one isn't able to move on with just about everyone else in North America.

That's a valid point.

That tatted up Epcot turnstile CM wouldn't even be allowed to swim in the Tokyo Disneyland Hotel pool with her tats showing, much less get a job as a CM in Tokyo. Japan is a far more conservative culture, and public displays of tattoos are not allowed in many places like hotel pools, water parks, etc.
 

TP2000

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At this point it'd be fun to have a thread for folks to show off their Disney sides. We're already way off course in terms of Mansion, hah.

Good idea. I'm afraid this thread got derailed because... well, there's nothing new at Haunted Mansion except for an enlarged wheelchair loading area and they moved one of the portraits in the hallway about 15 feet.

The rest of the ride looks the same. Whatever the "new enhancements and magic" were that this thread title teased us with were either eliminated, or vastly over-hyped.
 

DisneyExpert

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Good idea. I'm afraid this thread got derailed because... well, there's nothing new at Haunted Mansion except for an enlarged wheelchair loading area and they moved one of the portraits in the hallway about 15 feet.

The rest of the ride looks the same. Whatever the "new enhancements and magic" were that this thread title teased us with were either eliminated, or vastly over-hyped.

They didn't move a portrait... They brought a fan favorite portrait back that had been missing for nearly twenty years after she was replaced in the portrait hall by Master Gracey. Honestly, the return of April/December is a pretty big deal to the Mansion fandom, so this is overall being considered a win. They also went and enhanced the portrait to feature its original six-slide design as envisioned in 1969, which had never been present in the attraction due to practicality issues with the tech at the time and the conceptual change from a walk-through attraction to a ride-through attraction instead.


Really, the restraint they showed with this project should be applauded. Last time WDW got "new enhancements," we wound up with Pepe le Queue and Ezra's CGI Hitchhikin' Prank Gang.
 
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TP2000

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They didn't move a portrait... They brought a fan favorite portrait back that had been missing for nearly twenty years after she was replaced in the portrait hall by Master Gracey. Honestly, the return of April/December is a pretty big deal to the Mansion fandom, so this is overall being considered a win. They also went and enhanced the portrait to feature its original six-slide design as envisioned in 1969, which had never been present in the attraction due to practicality issues with the tech at the time.


Really, the restraint they showed with this project should be applauded. Last time WDW got "new enhancements," we wound up with Pepe le Queue and Ezra's CGI Hitchhikin' Prank Gang.

That's actually fascinating.

I must admit fully to you, I had no idea she had been gone. I just assumed she'd been there all along. And I go to Disneyland regularly and ride this ride at least twice per year (once non-Holiday, and once Holiday). She never registered to me as being missing.

Master Gracey. Hmm.... I just Googled his portrait. I have absolutely no memory of him being present at the Disneyland version. I know I've seen that portrait before, but I assume it was at the Florida and/or Tokyo versions. I make fun of Master Gracey as a backstory created by Florida ride operators in the break room in the 1990's, since you rarely hear about him here in SoCal. But is that really his name? How do we know that? Is it labeled as such on the portrait somewhere?

Again, I am in no way a Haunted Mansion aficionado. I like the ride, it's fun. But I don't know a whole lot about it's history other than a few basic Walt quotes and that 1965 World of Color episode where Rolly Crump and John Hench flirt with the pretty '65 Ambassador right in front of Walt and God and the Television audience.
 
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Sharon&Susan

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But is that really his name? How do we know that? Is it labeled as such on the portrait somewhere?
The name comes from a gravestone in the MK queue (and also at DL for a few years after the ride's opening and was added back a few years ago) that was probably meant to refer to an archaic use of the word as a title for a young boy instead of "lord and owner" type master. Everyone just attaches it to the portrait because he looks like he's the master of the house.
 

TP2000

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The name comes from a gravestone in the MK queue (and also at DL for a few years after the ride's opening and was added back a few years ago) that was probably meant to refer to an archaic use of the word as a title for a young boy instead of "lord and owner" type master.

Oh.

I still send birthday cards laced with cash to my youngest relatives addressed "Master John Swenson" etc., because no one told me that wasn't a thing any more for young boys under age 18. When I went to visit them he asked me about it and wanted to know what he was the master of. I think he thought he was like the Master of the Universe or something.

I told him it was simply an honorific, which didn't help and opened up more questions. Luckily his mom stepped in and said "Isn't it nice that Uncle TP2000 sent you that card? You just need to thank him." 🤣
 

Sharon&Susan

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Tokyo has the bizarro version of Master Gracey with Mister (Adam?) West:
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Same epitaph, different name.
 

DisneyExpert

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That's actually fascinating.

I must admit fully to you, I had no idea she had been gone. I just assumed she'd been there all along. And I go to Disneyland regularly and ride this ride at least twice per year (once non-Holiday, and once Holiday). She never registered to me as being missing.

Master Gracey. Hmm.... I just Googled his portrait. I have absolutely no memory of him being present at the Disneyland version. I know I've seen that portrait before, but I assume it was at the Florida and/or Tokyo versions. I make fun of Master Gracey as a backstory created by Florida ride operators in the break room in the 1990's, since you rarely hear about him here in SoCal. But is that really his name? How do we know that? Is it labeled as such on the portrait somewhere?

Again, I am in no way a Haunted Mansion aficionado. I like the ride, it's fun. But I don't know a whole lot about it's history other than a few basic Walt quotes and that 1965 World of Color episode where Rolly Crump and John Hench flirt with the pretty '65 Ambassador right in front of Walt and God and the Television audience.

Nothing ever explicitly identified him as Master Gracey, but it eventually became canon to Disney that the portrait is of him. He's hung in the Disneyland portrait gallery since 2004, when he evicted Miss April.

Here's a pretty great article about the history of the April/December portrait and its eventual removal:


That blog in general is a wonderful source for some deep dives into the Mansion.
 
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