Haunted Mansion automatic doors?

Victor Kelly

Well-Known Member
Yeah what wonderful forward progress. Just love the change.

I am quickly losing my patience with the PC crowd, even faster the entitlement crowd, and completely lost my patience with anything government.
 

mousehockey37

Well-Known Member
Yeah what wonderful forward progress. Just love the change.

I am quickly losing my patience with the PC crowd, even faster the entitlement crowd, and completely lost my patience with anything government.

These people are the best to watch in Disney. They're the ones demanding the magical moments happen to them. Or that Disney reimburse them for the cost of their vacation because they got stuck on a ride for *gasp* 5 extra minutes.
 

golfball

Member
Sorry if this has been addressed already, but I was just in WDW last month and noticed this...
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What was the purpose of adding this? Not only does it spoil the theming, A castmember still comes out saying the usual dialog. Just kinda wondering the point of this.

Sir no flash photography
 

Tom

Beta Return
This thread is either ridiculous or hilarious, or both.

Nearly every ride, show and attraction on property is automated in one way or another. Hotels built in the early 1900s didn't have automatic doors on their libraries - but yet ToT has them, and a voiceover, and signs, and a yellow line, and pulsing lights to warn you.

All doors open out at Disney because of building code and egress reasons.

Signs are everywhere. Fire Alarm horn/strobes are everywhere. Exit signs are everywhere. They do their best to make them fit in, while also meeting Building and Life Safety codes.

I think the signs in the photo look just fine. In fact, had you not pointed them out, I wouldn't have even noticed the addition of them. I'm surprised they haven't had "Doors Open Outward" signs there before now - they've been on every other outswing door in the parks for as long as I can remember.

There are plenty of "un-magical" things in every ride and show building. Most of the time you ignore them because they've themed them to blend in (painted exit signs and fire alarm devices to match their background), but they're still there, and can be seen by guests all the time.

Exit signs are EVERYWHERE! Again, your brain just ignores them because you're used to seeing them in every commercial building in the country. There's nothing magical about bright green or red EXIT letters in the Country Bear theater, but they have no choice.

There are thousands of things wrong with WDW property that are far more valid of criticism than some necessary (in my opinion, for the sake of guest safety), and well-themed signs.

On a side note, I actually thought those doors were automatic all along. They may be either/or - where a CM can just push one open like a normal door, or they can flip a and they open automatically. I know they have a magnetic lock at the top to hold them shut when not opened, but that's just to keep guests from coming in when they're not supposed to.
 

awoogala

Well-Known Member
Like I said, the ride has been there for how many years? And it needs the signs now?
well, does anyone know if this may be part of the disability act rules? I know new rules have been making them retrofit and change lots of little things. Perhaps this is to warn anyone that doesn't move quickly?
 

mousehockey37

Well-Known Member
well, does anyone know if this may be part of the disability act rules? I know new rules have been making them retrofit and change lots of little things. Perhaps this is to warn anyone that doesn't move quickly?

Can't anyone think for themselves anymore? If you see a closed door and you're not sure of which way it's going to open, what do you do? Do you stand in a spot where you can get hit? or do you put yourself in a position to see which way it will open?

Just because someone may have a disability doesn't mean they don't have common sense. If anything, they should make lack of common sense a disability... Tons of people would qualify.
 

awoogala

Well-Known Member
Can't anyone think for themselves anymore? If you see a closed door and you're not sure of which way it's going to open, what do you do? Do you stand in a spot where you can get hit? or do you put yourself in a position to see which way it will open?

Just because someone may have a disability doesn't mean they don't have common sense. If anything, they should make lack of common sense a disability... Tons of people would qualify.
doesn't matter if the disability act has a legal # of feet before being informed via sign, whether you think it's stupid or not.
 

Tom

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well, does anyone know if this may be part of the disability act rules? I know new rules have been making them retrofit and change lots of little things. Perhaps this is to warn anyone that doesn't move quickly?

Not unless the law went into effect in the past month....and disallowed any grandfathering.

I'm doing a $3 million renovation in a hospital right now. Pretty much every door that patients go through has some sort of auto-opener on it. And in most cases, those doors swing out (since most egress doors exit out of the area they serve). We aren't installing a single warning sign.....nor is the hospital.

I think this is just Disney's Risk Assessment Department doing their job, which is to cover Disney's in as many conceivable manners possible. Risk Assessment is quite difficult....because those roles are usually held by intelligent people, who have to try to think like a complete moron so they can find every possible way to get hurt.
 

awoogala

Well-Known Member
Not unless the law went into effect in the past month....and disallowed any grandfathering.

I'm doing a $3 million renovation in a hospital right now. Pretty much every door that patients go through has some sort of auto-opener on it. And in most cases, those doors swing out (since most egress doors exit out of the area they serve). We aren't installing a single warning sign.....nor is the hospital.

I think this is just Disney's Risk Assessment Department doing their job, which is to cover Disney's in as many conceivable manners possible. Risk Assessment is quite difficult....because those roles are usually held by intelligent people, who have to try to think like a complete moron so they can find every possible way to get hurt.
That's why I asked. I know rules for the new disability stuff that are in the pipeline (not quite law yet) were being discussed in the thread about the cya maneuver of putting a fence around casey.
I personally have no issue with a couple of signs. Ever tried to stand farther back in the proper place, and been pushed back by people who want to get in front of you? At least some of them might get it now. (although the yellow line and signs haven't worked in philharmagic...:D
 

Tom

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That's why I asked. I know rules for the new disability stuff that are in the pipeline (not quite law yet) were being discussed in the thread about the cya maneuver of putting a fence around casey.
I personally have no issue with a couple of signs. Ever tried to stand farther back in the proper place, and been pushed back by people who want to get in front of you? At least some of them might get it now. (although the yellow line and signs haven't worked in philharmagic...:D

I know there were a LOT of new ADA regs in the pipeline for aquatics - which is why I believe it came up for Casey....or again, that could have been yet another incident of Risk Assessment lawyers seeing the final product and saying, "Uh, no. Fence that off."

I don't care how many signs Disney puts up, as long as they're themed. Like I said in another post, I would have never noticed those new signs had it not been pointed out (ok, well, I probably would have because I notice everything that changes)....but what I'm saying is that they look fine to me.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
Wouldn't support some basic signage to help people avoid getting knocked by doors, should a CM not be present? I think you'll find the majority of the fans here support both show and safety, and that's really all those signs represent.

yet we hear countless times FP isn't fair because people don't read the map... people check their brains at the gate.. etc. Who thinks signs are actually going to stop the stupidity? This is purely CYA

All the other attractions managed by having alerting indicators like flashing lights, etc to draw your attention to the pending door movement. Why not do something like that in theme?

Why? Because this is the type of change mandated by lawyers with zero imagination and just want the bottom line covered rather than being open to creative solutions.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
This thread is either ridiculous or hilarious, or both.

Nearly every ride, show and attraction on property is automated in one way or another. Hotels built in the early 1900s didn't have automatic doors on their libraries - but yet ToT has them, and a voiceover, and signs, and a yellow line, and pulsing lights to warn you.

The difference is Disney used to find creative, innovative ways to meet the requirements.. making them blend into the set, story, or otherwise.

Lets look at the safety spiel... do they simply bark at you the requirement statements? No, they intermix the safety needs into the show like this


Or how about notices to keep out of areas? Do they put up big gaudy signs? No, they blend the need in with humor and scenery
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Or how about the countless shows that integrate the door warning into the preshow spiel and add effects or lighting to draw attention to the doors that are about to move.

These all represent creative ways to take a basic requirement - and make it special in some way - extraordinary.

These signs do not follow that train of integration. They are a shortcut. They are a CYA solution. They don't represent solving the problem - they are just a way of ensuring Disney can say 'we did what was necessary'.

Less we forget one of the most popular examples.. building the castle UNDER the height to avoid putting a crash avoidance light on it. They didn't just put it up there and say 'oh well.. safety says we had to' - they took creative steps to minimize the intrusion.
 

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