Hatbox Ghost is Disney World?

[lazyboy97o]

The Haunted Mansion can have all new haunts made on the cheap and people would still ride it. It does not matter if they have Hatbox etc. It's the frikkin' Magic Kingdom, people will go no matter what.

Is that why Disney's California Adventure was such a hit in 2001?

 

[Californian Elitist]

You know how Disney deals with the fact that nearly every ride at DL is better than its WDW counterpart? They deal with it by making even more improvements to its DL versions, while barely maintaining its counterparts at WDW. And people here are OK with that?!?!

You do realize Disneyland got Hatbox and is getting upgrades to a few other rides because it is turning 60 soon, right? It's not like Disney/TDA randomly thought it would be nice to upgrade these attractions. There have been a couple of rides that received upgrades seemingly for no reason, but these slew of upcoming upgrades don't apply. I'm fairly certain Disneyland wouldn't be getting all these upgrades to its attractions had it not been for its 60th anniversary, a special occasion.

Some people here exaggerate about DL's condition. DL and DCA have their problems, neither of them are perfect.

 

[Bairstow]

Is that why Disney's California Adventure was such a hit in 2001?

I don't see these being analogous. You're comparing two totally different situations and markets.

Disneyland fans are fickle and demanding. Of course they rejected the new, cheapskate park.

It's Disney World's guests that seem to come back year after year in ever-increasing numbers, despite an overall drop in park quality and rise in park prices.

 

[Progress.City]

You do realize Disneyland got Hatbox and is getting upgrades to a few other rides because it is turning 60 soon, right? It's not like Disney/TDA randomly thought it would be nice to upgrade these attractions. There have been a couple of rides that received upgrades seemingly for no reason, but these slew of upcoming upgrades don't apply. I'm fairly certain Disneyland wouldn't be getting all these upgrades to its attractions had it not been for its 60th anniversary, a special occasion.

Some people here exaggerate about DL's condition. DL and DCA have their problems, neither of them are perfect.

If they weren't always improving DL and just barely maintaining WDW, then I would say you have a point. But, this has been a pattern for years. It is extremely rare that WDW attractions actually get upgrades after a refurb. The last upgrades I can remember were to PotC and HM. They totally messed up the Space Mountain upgrade.

 

[Bairstow]

You do realize Disneyland got Hatbox and is getting upgrades to a few other rides because it is turning 60 soon, right? It's not like Disney/TDA randomly thought it would be nice to upgrade these attractions. There have been a couple of rides that received upgrades seemingly for no reason, but these slew of upcoming upgrades don't apply. I'm fairly certain Disneyland wouldn't be getting all these upgrades to its attractions had it not been for its 60th anniversary, a special occasion.

Some people here exaggerate about DL's condition. DL and DCA have their problems, neither of them are perfect.

The fact that Disneyland is going all-out with staggered releases of newly-plussed attractions for the 60th proves the point, though.

Big Thunder, Small World, Space Mountain... all received major plussings in their last major refurbs, all of them well before the preparations for the 60th, and all above and beyond what was lavished to the Disney World versions of the same rides in the same time period.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I don't see these being analogous. You're comparing two totally different situations and markets.

Disneyland fans are fickle and demanding. Of course they rejected the new, cheapskate park.

It's Disney World's guests that seem to come back year after year in ever-increasing numbers, despite an overall drop in park quality and rise in park prices.

There was enough good left at Disneyland for it to continue to do just fine when it was run through the dumps (and creatively I say it is still in a hole ignored because of an obsession wih ornament over substance) as there is apstill enough left over at Walt Disney World to keep it going.

 

[Californian Elitist]

The fact that Disneyland is going all-out with staggered releases of newly-plussed attractions for the 60th proves the point, though.

Big Thunder, Small World, Space Mountain... all received major plussings in their last major refurbs, all of them well before the preparations for the 60th, and all above and beyond what was lavished to the Disney World versions of the same rides in the same time period.

It's the 60th. Disneyland has been known to do special things every ten years.

Yes, I admitted there have been some rides that have received upgrades for basically no reason. Disney could have upgraded lots of Disneyland's rides within the past decade, but they haven't. Pan, Matterhorn, Mansion, and Soarin' Over California/Grizzly Peak are one bunch of rides getting upgrades. This hasn't happened since the 50th anniversary, a decade ago.

We shouldn't really count Space Mountain. Disney was forced to close it down and update its track.

 

[Bairstow]

It's the 60th. Disneyland has been known to do special things every ten years.

Yes, I admitted there have been some rides that have received upgrades for basically no reason. Disney could have upgraded lots of Disneyland's rides within the past decade, but they haven't. Pan, Matterhorn, Mansion, and Soarin' Over California/Grizzly Peak are one bunch of rides getting upgrades. This hasn't happened since the 50th anniversary, a decade ago.

We shouldn't really count Space Mountain. Disney was forced to close it down and update its track.

Yeah, but they weren't forced to add in-car audio and commission new music from Michael Giacchino to play in it.
Or install the piranhas in the jungle cruise...
Or add the projection effects in Alice and Wonderland...

There has been a general trend of small, but nice plussings and improvements to Disneyland ever since Harriss and Pressler left.

It's not like Disneyland management improves the park out of the goodness of their hearts- they do it because their local customer base expects and appreciates it.

Disney World guests tend not to care or notice whether things are improved (or maintained) or not, which is why you don't see the kind of gradual improvements at Disney World that you see at Disneyland.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Yeah, but they weren't forced to add in-car audio and commission new music from Michael Giacchino to play in it.
Or install the piranhas in the jungle cruise...
Or add the projection effects in Alice and Wonderland...

There has been a general trend of small, but nice plussings and improvements to Disneyland ever since Harriss and Pressler left.

It's not like Disneyland management improves the park out of the goodness of their hearts- they do it because their local customer base expects and appreciates it.

Disney World guests tend not to care or notice whether things are improved (or maintained) or not, which is why you don't see the kind of gradual improvements at Disney World that you see at Disneyland.

The piranhas were added for the 50th and Alice in Wonderland was for the 60th.

 

[Bairstow]

The piranhas were added for the 50th and Alice in Wonderland was for the 60th.

I thought Alice reopened with the new stuff last summer.
How exactly are you determining what is an "it was only done because of ___ anniversary" effect?

 

[lazyboy97o]

I thought Alice reopened with the new stuff last summer.
How exactly are you determining what is an "it was only done because of ___ anniversary" effect?

I'm pretty sure the Jungle Cruise changes were advertised as part of the Happiest Homecoming on Earth.
The plans for Disneyland's dark rides being updated for the 60th have been discussed for some time now.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Yeah, but they weren't forced to add in-car audio and commission new music from Michael Giacchino to play in it.
Or install the piranhas in the jungle cruise...
Or add the projection effects in Alice and Wonderland...

There has been a general trend of small, but nice plussings and improvements to Disneyland ever since Harriss and Pressler left.

It's not like Disneyland management improves the park out of the goodness of their hearts- they do it because their local customer base expects and appreciates it.

Disney World guests tend not to care or notice whether things are improved (or maintained) or not, which is why you don't see the kind of gradual improvements at Disney World that you see at Disneyland.

I think some people exaggerate the "power" of DL locals, too. It's not like there's some sort of agreement between locals/fans and Disney to have things happen at Disneyland. Yes, there may be a little influence, but there isn't much.

 

[Bairstow]

I think some people exaggerate the "power" of DL locals, too. It's not like there's some sort of agreement between locals/fans and Disney to have things happen at Disneyland. Yes, there may be a little influence, but there isn't much.

If the tastes of Disneyland's customer base didn't effect park attendance, Disney wouldn't be spending the money that they do to cater to them.

 

[lazyboy97o]

If the tastes of Disneyland's customer base didn't effect park attendance, Disney wouldn't be spending the money that they do to cater to them.

Two people being killed helped. The local media is far more interested in the Disneyland Resort than the Orlando media and is also a major news market,

 

[ght]

Some people here exaggerate about DL's condition. DL and DCA have their problems, neither of them are perfect.

Anyone who has rode Buzz recently can attest to this.

 

[Californian Elitist]

If the tastes of Disneyland's customer base didn't effect park attendance, Disney wouldn't be spending the money that they do to cater to them.

If DL fans truly had as much influence as people say we did, Hollywood Land at DCA wouldn't look the way it does now, Tomorrowland wouldn't be in the condition its currently in, etc.

 

[Bairstow]

If DL fans truly had as much influence as people say we did, Hollywood Land at DCA wouldn't look the way it does now, Tomorrowland wouldn't be in the condition its currently in, etc.

They don't run the place. No one's saying that.
What can't be denied is that in the last couple years Disney has been dumping more money into that park to fix it than it cost to build the thing in the first place.
Looking at their attendance figures, it appears to be working.

 

[Californian Elitist]

They don't run the place. No one's saying that.
What can't be denied is that in the last couple years Disney has been dumping more money into that park to fix it than it cost to build the thing in the first place.
Looking at their attendance figures, it appears to be working.

The way people talk about the influence of locals makes it seem that way.

You can't honestly compare the money being spent on Disneyland now to the money it cost to build the place 61 years ago.

 

[Bairstow]

The way people talk about the influence of locals makes it seem that way.

You can't honestly compare the money being spent on Disneyland now to the money it cost to build the place 61 years ago.

I wasn't talking about Disneyland.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/ju...y-california-adventure-retrospective-06201217

 

[lazyboy97o]

The way people talk about the influence of locals makes it seem that way.

You can't honestly compare the money being spent on Disneyland now to the money it cost to build the place 61 years ago.

Heck, the Tomorrowland 1959 expansion cost more than it did to build the park.

I wasn't talking about Disneyland.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/ju...y-california-adventure-retrospective-06201217

Disney's California Adventure was a drain on resources. There was also pressure from the City because they had spent so much on the initial Resort build out based on promises of a mini-Walt Disney World.