raven
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The queue is similar to OHare in Chicago. Metal detectors and security checkpoints are not most people's idea of entertainment. In this day and age they bring on more fear than anything else.
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Has the wdwmagic tide turned???
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The queue is similar to OHare in Chicago. Metal detectors and security checkpoints are not most people's idea of entertainment. In this day and age they bring on more fear than anything else.
So are you happy with everything going on at WDW? Are you not angry about PI? or LoW? or Space Mountain? or EE and the yeti? or how about the fact that all the food is the same every where now? or that all merch is the same?
Do you see how WDW is declining all the time?
Figment632
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Good point I just think it would be cool to step through a body scanner, and to just make it feel a little more emmersive.
krankenstein
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I've been lurking around Magic since '02. I got my S/N officially in '04 and I finally started posting in '07 I think.
Magic is a cyclical place. As things change in WDW, the types of comments change here. However, this is about the lowest the moral has been since I've been reading. The reason I think it is so low right now is because as soon as they announce something, we here of other cuts/losses around the WDW. Take for example FL, it looks like it will be great, but as soon as they announce it TDO cuts LoW with a lame tweet. On top of situations like that, I've even heard rumor of another cut that is really grinding my gears. That is the problem many of the loyal Disney fans are having at this current time.
The tide will change eventually, the big problem is we have no clue when that eventually will get here. Remember, the night is darkest before dawn.
Magic is a cyclical place. As things change in WDW, the types of comments change here. However, this is about the lowest the moral has been since I've been reading. The reason I think it is so low right now is because as soon as they announce something, we here of other cuts/losses around the WDW. Take for example FL, it looks like it will be great, but as soon as they announce it TDO cuts LoW with a lame tweet. On top of situations like that, I've even heard rumor of another cut that is really grinding my gears. That is the problem many of the loyal Disney fans are having at this current time.
The tide will change eventually, the big problem is we have no clue when that eventually will get here. Remember, the night is darkest before dawn.
It is hard to put a number on an emotion. The severity of the emotion tends to wear down over time.
There has always been a voice disapproval with TDO on the site. All that really changes is who that voice is. Some voices scream louder than others and currently we have some pretty loud voices.
I do not really see there being more negative people on the site or people being angrier then they were in the past there are just more things to be legitimately angry about. In the past few years TDO has made some bone head decisions. Among those would be closing PI in the manor that they did, shortcutting the SSE, PotC and Space Mountain refurbs, cuts to the holiday offerings, etc. It just screams of a departure from the "show over efficiency" idea that made Disney what it is or was depending on your point of view. I do put the blame of that squarely on management. In search for greater and greater profit margins they have lost sight of what got them here.
I do however think that all of this can be fixed but the first thing that will have to change is the mentality of the people making the decisions. There should not be "good enough" it should be done right or not at all. E:E is a perfect example of how "good enough" just does not cut it. Having a B mode is fine but once the scope of the problem was determined Disney should have bit the bullet and shut down E:E until it could be fixed. Personally I would rather see one project done right then 5 done half .
If that mentality can be turned around WDW will be fine. If they continue with the same way of thinking WDW is in for some dark times.
Personally, I have not reached my last straw with WDW yet but I am getting really close. (Thank you Kevin Yee for the analogy)
raven
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I'm very happy with Space Mountain (anything new is better than the old one). I'm glad that PI will finaly be for everyone and not just young adults. Light's of Winter replacement will be better when it's finaly installed. Everest and the Yeti are amazing and anyone with half a brain can understand a first-of-it's-kind for Disney animatronic that large and complex is eventually going to break down and be a lengthy job to fix since it's the size of a building. I'm happy that parents can order food for their picky children now at nearly every restaurant. I'm happy that if I see some merchandise I want in a park that I won't have to go back to that park and waste another day on my pass just to purchase it.
Do you see that it's all how you look at it?
EPCOT Explorer
New Member
I have nothing to say, except that was a fantastic post, Richard.
I too, am getting close. I've been traveling there a bit more often as of late, and though it is always a mind blowing and fantastic experience, there is so much more be seen in the world when they let things get stale, as they have.
Like Disneyland. :lol:
Sometimes I think we look at things through a microscope instead of stepping back and looking at the big picture first. Yes there are some issues with Disney right now, but I also see alot of good going on at the same time. Things are getting cleaned up and repaired first of all, second there are expansions getting underway shortly and I see a management who are trying to get a hold of things and put them back on track. Look at the economy right now and how many people are struggling and out of work. If you have a job during these tough times then be greatful, I know I am. Bussinesses are feeling this issue too. They have to put a ton of promotions out to try and get people to spend during these tough times. I am planning my vacation for 10 Days to WDW in FLa in September 2010 and can't wait to get there. The one thing I know over the years I have seen Disney decline and pick itself right back up and look great. Show me one corporation that never had it's ups and downs. Yes I have seen a few things I did not like and have also seen the same things corrected. I have had great cast members and of course a few bad ones. But when I look at the overall experience it has been wonderful and thus the reason I go back almost every year for the past 15 years. You see when I get down in WDW I get truly happy and carefree and become a kid again. I come home relaxed and have smiles on my face for weeks and of course a longing to go back. I have seen various things in WDW since it opened in Fla when I was a little boy to now a middle aged adult. They still must be doing something right or I know I wouldn't be going back like a lot of others. I think if some of you are that unhappy then just don't go anymore, but I think you will not be able to stay away. Once the expansions are complete and the economy truly turns around things are just going to get better
EPCOT Explorer
New Member
Honestly, I think Disney, as a company is doing fine right now. There's a lot of problems that they've fixed for the whole company.
It's WDW that's the specific problem.
IMHO, of course.
raven
Well-Known Member
To answer the OP's original question. In this failing economy with businesses crashing all over the world, gas prices rising, unemployment soaring, and a plethora of other problems going on currently, some people just expect one company to keep up at full pace and won't do for anything less. It's those guests expectations and unwillingness to recognise that the world is crashing around them that's the problem. Yes, Disney has some management issues but so does every company. But the company is not exempt from the problems of today nor should we expect them to be.
WDW Monorail
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And anyone on this site is to be the judge of that? I think not.
A lot of people here seem to think that the company actually gives a damn about what is said here. A certain poster likes to think that a certain VP of the parks enjoys reading his posts. Maybe he does but I guarantee you that's his funny section of the morning paper. The poster likes to think that this certain P should be removed from office. That's a far-fetched idea because the park he oversees continues to draw people every year, and until a decline is seen, he will maintain his position and rightfully so.
EPCOT Explorer
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Well, I am certainly a advocate for all of us voicing our own opinions! :lol:
Decline? Decline in what? I know you are referring to a decline in money, and in guests, but there's already a decline. One that is in terms of quality, and unique attractions. I fully admit that that is a subjective opinion, and that yours might differ, but I believe that if there is a group of people that are close to the company, such as ourselves, then there is a problem. Especially if the majority of us are Passholders.
Disneyland AP-ers felt much of the same in the Early 2000's.
Jimmy Thick
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There is nothing wrong with Disney World, I was just there, it was amazing.
I agree that if nowhere else, these boards are a place to voice our opinions about WDW and Disney, good or bad. Let's face it, if you don't like what you're reading, there's the option of changing the proverbial channel....
I also agree however that there are posters here with a too-inflated sense of their own opinions and their value. Yes, Dinsey may be monitoring these boards, but I guarantee the VP, President, or any other high official in the Walt Disney Corporation has better things to do with their time....
All of that to say I don't necessarily disagree with the OP. I'm an AP holder, a (soon-to-be-former) D23 member, and I visit WDW usually twice a year. And in that I regard I do think the cutbacks and lost attractions are starting to show. And yes it does bother me to read that the FL expansion may already be facing cutbacks when all I read of DL is how new rides are needed and how the money will be found to make it happen. I've never been to DL (actually hope to go there in 2011), so I don't have anything against that park. But it does seem that the investment I've chosen to make in WDW for myself and my family isn't quite showing the returns I would hope. Let's just hope that the next few years does indeed change that.
I also agree however that there are posters here with a too-inflated sense of their own opinions and their value. Yes, Dinsey may be monitoring these boards, but I guarantee the VP, President, or any other high official in the Walt Disney Corporation has better things to do with their time....
All of that to say I don't necessarily disagree with the OP. I'm an AP holder, a (soon-to-be-former) D23 member, and I visit WDW usually twice a year. And in that I regard I do think the cutbacks and lost attractions are starting to show. And yes it does bother me to read that the FL expansion may already be facing cutbacks when all I read of DL is how new rides are needed and how the money will be found to make it happen. I've never been to DL (actually hope to go there in 2011), so I don't have anything against that park. But it does seem that the investment I've chosen to make in WDW for myself and my family isn't quite showing the returns I would hope. Let's just hope that the next few years does indeed change that.
CDavid
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Disney certainly doesn't have to do anything the guests say or want, but the level of arrogance TDO is exhibiting by following that very advice is really something else. Most businesses rather want to keep their customers happy - maybe particularly when you are charging more than your competition for lesser levels of service and quality - so they at least pay a minimum of attention to what the public wants. Expect people to "take it or leave it", while continuing to lower your quality and standards, and you are certain to eventually find that your (now former) customers have taken your advice, and went elsewhere.
You can never please every last individual - you can't keep Sounds Dangerous or Stitch's Great Escape around forever just for the two or three people who think its the greatest thing ever - but in the case of Journey into Imagination, they should have listened.
I get the point you are trying to make, but the shirt analogy fails in that I'm not trying to impress you, so it doesn't overly matter to me what you think of my attire. But Disney had better be concerned about what you think of their resort, because they want you to come back.
EPCOT Explorer
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Another very well said post.
Bolded for truth...and while the VP's don't always read these boards, they do have a social media team, that I am pretty sure monitors these boards(and others, don't get me wrong) and might even interact from time to time.
Jimmy Thick
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I don't believe that at all.
If Disney was monitoring this board, they would take down all the Disney trademarks, as they tend to do. I think Disney does not care about this board at all, and see's it as nothing more than a fansite, which it is.
People need to understand this board will not influence anyone related to the Walt Disney Corporation, if you believe it does, I have some land in Florida to sell you, its by Disney World of course.
Now stop going to the parks, then Disney gets involved.
I see what you are saying, but what you are missing is the fact that if they do things halfway, then it affects the park for years and years. For example, by 2012 assume the recession has faded, and new FL is done. Except they slashed the budget in 2010, and now the expansion is nowhere near what it could be. They are not going to go back in and fix it, they can't afford to shutter a brand new land to fix old mistakes. If they continue down this path of offering discounts, and then in turn discounting the guest experience. I promise you revenue will dry up. They will go the way of six flags, and then what?
I still enjoy WDW, a lot. But it is not the same level of enjoyment as I have always had. In fact if I did not already own DVC, there is no way on earth I would buy in right now. Since I already do though, I continue to go down to the parks and try and enjoy myself the best that I can. The only difference is, now we take less trips. Instead of my family splitting up the points, and going a couple times a year, we are beginning to alternate years, get the bigger suites, and just decrease spending around the parks.
There are plenty of things that people can look at differently and from different opinions, however not some of the things mentioned. For example you say your happy PI is going to be more family friendly. What proof can you offer to back up this claim? All I see is empty warehouses....
Figment632
New Member
You are flat out wrong. I know for a fact that people at Disney read these boards. While I don't think it will affect policy they do read these boards.
Disney does indeed monitor these (and other) boards for a number of reasons: to monitor CM comments, reactions to proposed changes/additions, and to gauge the overall sentiment of their fanbase. Think of it as being similar to a trial balloon put up by a politican or a movie studio leaking potential names of actors in certain roles even before shooting has started on a film.....