Has anyone ever requested the "best seats" on Flight of Passage?

[danyoung56]

Entitlement has to do with expecting something to come to you because you have a right to it. And asking for a better table or a specific location on a ride AIN'T IT. I am in no way entitled to the best seat in the house, nor do I expect it or demand it. But if I ask for it, and then it's granted, it's nothing more than making a request. If I make a demand, or enter the restaurant expecting the best table, THAT's entitlement.

 

[JusticeDisney]

You are trying to impose your own behavioral principles on everyone else by downgrading and disparaging anyone who behaves differently than yourself.

You are patting yourself on the back by calling yourself polite and considerate and passive aggressively calling anyone who doesn't behave the way you do as impolite and inconsiderate.

It's a rather imperialist view of anything that is different.

Check. Mate.

 

[LittleBuford]

The first and only time I went on pirates at MK we were in the back. The first three rows were one big family. They were taking pictures of themselves with the flash on their phones, talking, and the rest were recording the ride. It was like 20 phones and lights going off. I completely see why someone would want the front row.

If anything like this happens to you in the future, you can ask the CMs to ride again without having to wait. My partner and I had a similar experience on ToT, with a bunch of guests ruining the dark-ride portion by taking flash photos, despite my asking them not to. We told a CM as soon as we came off, and he had us put right back on.

 

[thomas998]

Again, "different seats" is not the same thing as "specific unreserved/unpaid premium seats".

That is where the pejorative "entitlement" manifests. If you have not paid more for the seats than others, and you exhibit a behavior that lands you unearned preferential treatment over others, that is how you are exhibiting entitlement.

Again you miss the point. You are paying more for those seat, you are giving up more of your time to get them. The fact that you are standing to the side waiting is time you are in effect paying to the other guests by not being in front of them somewhere else. The reality is no single person behind you suffers from a guest requesting a different seat instead they actually get on faster because someone is taking your place. The ridiculous part of the argument is that those claiming the seats don't matter they are all good are also the ones acting like its now a crime that some guest has stepped aside so that another guest ends up in the bad seats that are supposedly not bad at all. People that don't like guest requesting seats need to at the very least decide if they are going to admit some seats are bad or if they truly don't think any seats are bad then simply be quiet because if that is the case then the other guests have no reason to care.

 

[JusticeDisney]

Again you miss the point. You are paying more for those seat, you are giving up more of your time to get them. The fact that you are standing to the side waiting is time you are in effect paying to the other guests by not being in front of them somewhere else. The reality is no single person behind you suffers from a guest requesting a different seat instead they actually get on faster because someone is taking your place. The ridiculous part of the argument is that those claiming the seats don't matter they are all good are also the ones acting like its now a crime that some guest has stepped aside so that another guest ends up in the bad seats that are supposedly not bad at all. People that don't like guest requesting seats need to at the very least decide if they are going to admit some seats are bad or if they truly don't think any seats are bad then simply be quiet because if that is the case then the other guests have no reason to care.

Mic drop.

 

[WondersOfLife]

The first and only time I went on pirates at MK we were in the back. The first three rows were one big family. They were taking pictures of themselves with the flash on their phones, talking, and the rest were recording the ride. It was like 20 phones and lights going off. I completely see why someone would want the front row.

Furthermore, on Splah Mountain at DL my wife will only sit in the back so she does not get wet, otherwise she would not ride it. We ask for the seats politely and do not demand it. Employees do not mind acommodating.

Cast members are directed to put parties of 3 or less in the back row of pirates. Not only can no more than 3 go in the back row, but there also has to be equal weight distribution on the whole boat (not too many people in the front and too less in the back... don’t put too many larger size people in a boat.. ect.). Otherwise the boats can get stuck.

So requesting seats (specifically at pirates) sometimes just isn’t doable. And then the CMs have to deal with the attitudes.

 

[jloucks]

Again you miss the point. You are paying more for those seat, you are giving up more of your time to get them. The fact that you are standing to the side waiting is time you are in effect paying to the other guests by not being in front of them somewhere else. The reality is no single person behind you suffers from a guest requesting a different seat instead they actually get on faster because someone is taking your place.

"Different seat" is not the same thing as "premium seat". Again, for emphasis... "Different seat" is not the same thing as "premium seat".

Requesting a different, regular, non-premium seat is not as entitled as requesting premium perfect seats. If you stand in line for 90 minutes, I would hardly call a 5 minute side-step paying for premium seats.

Requesting a "non-poop seat" is also not the same thing as requesting a "premium seat".

But that is an interesting thought exercise. What is the monetary value to you, for those seats. There are certain seats I would be willing to pay an extra $5+ a person for. I waited in line for 90 minutes, I would be willing to pay for the premium seats. Some movie theaters are starting to charge for premium seats. I love it!!

The ridiculous part of the argument is that those claiming the seats don't matter they are all good are also the ones acting like its now a crime that some guest has stepped aside so that another guest ends up in the bad seats that are supposedly not bad at all. People that don't like guest requesting seats need to at the very least decide if they are going to admit some seats are bad or if they truly don't think any seats are bad then simply be quiet because if that is the case then the other guests have no reason to care.

Oh I completely agree that there are premium seats. What makes the whole system fair is the random orderly aspect in which they are assigned. Everyone has a chance at the seats. It is all fair. If you "step aside", you are manipulating the random assignment fairness.

Unless, somebody cranks up the entitlement and decides to just go ahead and request the premium seats.

Again, *sigh*, I am not talking about just a random different seat because the one you are assigned is behind a pole or covered in nacho cheese.

 

[thomas998]

"Different seat" is not the same thing as "premium seat". Again, for emphasis... "Different seat" is not the same thing as "premium seat".

Requesting a different, regular, non-premium seat is not as entitled as requesting premium perfect seats. If you stand in line for 90 minutes, I would hardly call a 5 minute side-step paying for premium seats.

Requesting a "non-poop seat" is also not the same thing as requesting a "premium seat".

But that is an interesting thought exercise. What is the monetary value to you, for those seats. There are certain seats I would be willing to pay an extra $5+ a person for. I waited in line for 90 minutes, I would be willing to pay for the premium seats. Some movie theaters are starting to charge for premium seats. I love it!!



Oh I completely agree that there are premium seats. What makes the whole system fair is the random orderly aspect in which they are assigned. Everyone has a chance at the seats. It is all fair. If you "step aside", you are manipulating the random assignment fairness.

Unless, somebody cranks up the entitlement and decides to just go ahead and request the premium seats.

Again, *sigh*, I am not talking about just a random different seat because the one you are assigned is behind a pole or covered in nacho cheese.

You fail to accept that no one has to take the bad seat. Every guest has the option of saying I'll wait for a better seat. In fact, if every quest would do that for some seats you would eventually send a very loud and clear message to Disney to get rid of certain bad seats. A guest requesting a different seat could only impact another guest negatively if the other guests were not allowed to opt out of the bad seat and wait the extra time for a better seat.

The simple fact is no guest is any more or less entitled to their choice of seats than any other. The fact that some guests don't bother to request the better seat doesn't mean the guest making the request is acting entitled to anything the ones requesting the better seat are simply maximizing their enjoyment of the ride, and paying a price in their time for that better seat. It would only be acting entitled if the person requesting the seat told the CM not to allow anyone else do the same thing. .. or if they simply walked to the better seat and pushed their way on without even speaking to the CM, in those instances you could argue the guest was acting with a sense of entitlement... otherwise I'm afraid entitlement is getting as over used as the term racist where it just gets thrown around as if it were some magic bullet that makes your argument better - it doesn't.

 

[jloucks]

You fail to accept that no one has to take the bad seat. Every guest has the option of saying I'll wait for a better seat. In fact, if every quest would do that for some seats you would eventually send a very loud and clear message to Disney to get rid of certain bad seats. A guest requesting a different seat could only impact another guest negatively if the other guests were not allowed to opt out of the bad seat and wait the extra time for a better seat.

The simple fact is no guest is any more or less entitled to their choice of seats than any other. The fact that some guests don't bother to request the better seat doesn't mean the guest making the request is acting entitled to anything the ones requesting the better seat are simply maximizing their enjoyment of the ride, and paying a price in their time for that better seat. It would only be acting entitled if the person requesting the seat told the CM not to allow anyone else do the same thing. .. or if they simply walked to the better seat and pushed their way on without even speaking to the CM, in those instances you could argue the guest was acting with a sense of entitlement... otherwise I'm afraid entitlement is getting as over used as the term racist where it just gets thrown around as if it were some magic bullet that makes your argument better - it doesn't.

Words are all fair to use, so long as they are used correctly.

I’m thinking we may be using different definitions of the word “entitled.”

Entitled -
adjective - believing oneself to be inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment

What definition are you working with?

I suspect you are going to next argue what “special” means. Here is what I am using.

Special -
adjective - better, greater, or otherwise different from what is usual.

Don’t take my word for it. Based on the above definitions, requesting different seats is an entitled behavior.

 

[jloucks]

Aaron Burr would stand there a


Based on your definition you are incorrect.

believing oneself to be inherently deserving = I doubt the requester believes from some divine right that they deserve the special seat. They are simply asking.

privileges and special treatment = everyone has the same opportunity to ask and have this seat. So it's not really special or privileged.

Once again you are trying to impose your behavior on everyone else.

Um, no, look at the definition of inherent and special again, but MOST importantly look at the word “or”. Very important word that pesky “or”.

“Or” is not the same as “and”.

Lol, at this point I am not even arguing, just pointing to definitions and sentence structure.

 

[thomas998]

Words are all fair to use, so long as they are used correctly.

I’m thinking we may be using different definitions of the word “entitled.”

Entitled -
adjective - believing oneself to be inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment

What definition are you working with?

I suspect you are going to next argue what “special” means. Here is what I am using.

Special -
adjective - better, greater, or otherwise different from what is usual.

Don’t take my word for it. Based on the above definitions, requesting different seats is an entitled behavior.

I'm going with the Merrian Webster definition.

: having a right to certain benefits or privileges

Even the definition you use doesn't make your point, because I have said all along that ANYONE has the ability to request the better seat. No one has ever said that only some people are deserving of the better seat. ANYONE is free to ask for it. Asking for something for from "believing oneself to be inherently deserving of..." the better seat. You would only have a valid point if guests were DEMANDING the seats.

 

[thomas998]

It usually has nothing to do with entitlement.

Most of the people who don't ask either haven't figured out there are better seats or are too shy or scared to ask.

Very true. In which case it is really just a case of some guests being more knowledgeable. I don't think guests should refuse to use the knowledge they have developed from past experiences, it only makes sense to use what you have learned.

 

[jloucks]

I'm going with the Merrian Webster definition.

: having a right to certain benefits or privileges

Even the definition you use doesn't make your point, because I have said all along that ANYONE has the ability to request the better seat. No one has ever said that only some people are deserving of the better seat. ANYONE is free to ask for it. Asking for something for from "believing oneself to be inherently deserving of..." the better seat. You would only have a valid point if guests were DEMANDING the seats.

Well yea, but that’s like going to the party, and dragging the keg back your apartment. You can do it. Nothing says you can’t. But it is entitled. I mean, anybody could drag the keg off for some private drinking. Yea, I know, bad example compared to roller coaster seating. I was more aiming for the entitlement philosophy of, if anybody can, it’s not entitlement.

Good word “demanding”. That absolutely amps up the entitlement factor. That’s the other thing we all seem to be missing. Entitlement is not just black or white. There are degrees. A 1 to 10 measurable thing. Casually asking for a better seat is a 1. Demanding a better seat more like an 8.

 

[thomas998]

Well yea, but that’s like going to the party, and dragging the keg back your apartment. You can do it. Nothing says you can’t. But it is entitled. I mean, anybody could drag the keg off for some private drinking. Yea, I know, bad example compared to roller coaster seating. I was more aiming for the entitlement philosophy of, if anybody can, it’s not entitlement.

Good word “demanding”. That absolutely amps up the entitlement factor. That’s the other thing we all seem to be missing. Entitlement is not just black or white. There are degrees. A 1 to 10 measurable thing. Casually asking for a better seat is a 1. Demanding a better seat more like an 8.

You are closer to accepting reality, but just can't give in. Remember your own definition required the person to believe they were deserving of special treatment. Asking for something by its very nature removes the person from the realm of believing they are deserving, which is why I said it would be acting entitled if someone were to demand a different seat. No one on this board has ever said that a guest should demand a different seat, it has always been about asking for a different seat.

 

[jloucks]

Very true. In which case it is really just a case of some guests being more knowledgeable. I don't think guests should refuse to use the knowledge they have developed from past experiences, it only makes sense to use what you have learned.

Which brings up another disconnect. Entitlement is not always a bad thing. Not a dirty word. Only when someone claims something they are not entitled to, is it a problem.

Take social security. Somehow some of society is now referring to it as an entitlement as if that’s a negative, and that bugs me. I have been paying into it for ages, I am literally entitled to it.

Much of society seems to be halving a hard time with that word. ...which is what i think you said (or insinuated) earlier someplace.

 

[jloucks]

If we take your own definition then one could say you feel entitled in believing your behavior and opinions somehow garner special treatment and privilege superior to everyone elses.

Wut? Are we talking about entitled thoughts now? Oof! Ok, that’s deep. But, ok, sure, I guess. But, don’t just use entitled peoples definition of normal to define special. That’s like 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what’s for dinner.

In other words, we need to survey the folks not making special seating requests as to whether or not I am having special thoughts. Obviously you are a poor control.

 

[jloucks]

You are closer to accepting reality, but just can't give in. Remember your own definition required the person to believe they were deserving of special treatment. Asking for something by its very nature removes the person from the realm of believing they are deserving, which is why I said it would be acting entitled if someone were to demand a different seat. No one on this board has ever said that a guest should demand a different seat, it has always been about asking for a different seat.

If you remember how it all started, OP felt pressured to the requests of the guests for special seating. If OP felt pressure, that’s hardly a request. More of a demand.

In other words, if the requests were really just that, then no problem, OP could say no and no issue. The problem is, they were really demands veiled as requests. OP says “no”, and reprocussions happen. You generally don’t have repersuccions with requests, only demands.

 

[thomas998]

If you remember how it all started, OP felt pressured to the requests of the guests for special seating. If OP felt pressure, that’s hardly a request. More of a demand.

In other words, if the requests were really just that, then no problem, OP could say no and no issue. The problem is, they were really demands veiled as requests. OP says “no”, and reprocussions happen. You generally don’t have repersuccions with requests, only demands.

I think you've forgotten how this thread started... below is the full text of the original OP's comment:

"I'll be going to Pandora with my friend (his first time) next week and would love to get a seat right in the center because when I rode it the first time I was off to the side and though still incredible, the warped, off-center view was a little distracting.

Is it worth asking for the best seat and would they even oblige me?

Also, we'll be in line without a fastpass tuesday morning at rope drop. Do they send the first riders through the fastpass line because I really want my friend to see the lab and avatar body. "

If you'll notice the OP appears to be a guest, you are acting like the OP of this thread was some CM that was talking about people asking for seats. The only apparent CM or former CM I've seen on this board was not the OP, just someone that if truly a CM appeared to hate their job as a CM for a multitude of reasons, and I suspect an occasional request for a different seat was probably not the only thing they hated about guests or even at the top of their list.

 

[NormC]

So what are the best seats on Flight of Passage?

 

[jloucks]

The only apparent CM or former CM I've seen on this board was not the OP, just someone that if truly a CM appeared to hate their job as a CM for a multitude of reasons, and I suspect an occasional request for a different seat was probably not the only thing they hated about guests or even at the top of their list.

You’re right, I’m wrong, the veteran CM was who I was thinking was the op.

I don’t have reason to believe the vet CM is a liar or person of poor character. The majority of people that have worked front line with demanding customers know that is can be grueling sometimes.