Harry Potter Regrets

flavious27

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Rowling regrets nothing. She got a magnificent land built from her books and has retained complete creative control. Not to mention a huge financial windfall.

The regret lies in the executive suites in Burbank.
Why do you think Iger is willing to throw a huge amount of money at a film property that has nowhere near the potential drawing power of Potter? It's because he realized that he made a tremendous blunder by letting HP go and now wants something comparable as his legacy. Sorry, Bob....Avatar (if ever built) ain't it.

Disney dropped the ball. Anyone who is the least bit objective can see that. If they had given JKR what she wanted, as Uni did, they would be booming right now.
Instead they are facing the prospect of an underwhelming Fantasyland addition opening a bit before a massive Potter Phase 2 for which they have no ready response.

Disney is losing the PR battle in central Florida right now and many inside will tell you that they don't have any idea how they are going to get past it other than by continuing to sell a huge dose of "magical" nostalgia. The real magic seems to be happening up the road, while Disney continues to sell "memories".
It will be interesting to see how long Disney clings to the nostalgia business model, promoting it's parks not by consistantly adding to and plussing the parks, but by relying on past guests wanting to return to "make new memories" and "remember the magic" of past visits.

I love them, but they can (and should) do better.

So what would be a better franchise for disney to build out from than ava, in your opinion? I have always hoped that someone would recreate middle earth, and do a good job of it at the same time. I can't though see how it could fit into one of the present gates, there would be too many compromises to elaborate the story and or it would clash with the existing themes of that gate.
 

Lee

Adventurer
So what would be a better franchise for disney to build out from than ava, in your opinion? I have always hoped that someone would recreate middle earth, and do a good job of it at the same time. I can't though see how it could fit into one of the present gates, there would be too many compromises to elaborate the story and or it would clash with the existing themes of that gate.

Off the top of my head, I'd have to say the long-desired Lucas mini-land. More Star Wars rides and dining, the Indy Lost Expedition, etc.
Middle earth would be cool, but lacks the size of SWs fan base and pop culture history.
 

Magenta Panther

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For my part, I don't regret that Disney didn't get Potter. I would have felt differently, of course, had Disney actually made the films...but as it is, I'm glad the Potter attraction is at Universal. For one thing, Disney would have had a different take on it and the experience, I fear, wouldn't have been as authentic and faithful as it is at the rival park. Plus, Disney has Disney-developed properties of its own that it's done virtually nothing with (I'm looking at you, Mary Poppins) PLUS what about Beastly Kingdomme? Disney's got to stop buying things and start investing the money towards something new or at least something authentically Disney if it wants to add to its parks. I still can't get over seeing Spiderman merchandise at WDW. Gahh!!!
 

MickeyMind

Active Member
Yea right, disney would not have done anything for potter on the scale that uni did, just look at what they did with star wars, do you honestly think they wouldve done something better than uni? I dont, uni takes risks, disey plays it safe.

imo uni has some of the best rides in the orlando area right now. I didnt visit islands of adventure until hp was open in 2010, since then I have been 3x to the universal resort, and I seem to have more and more fun everytime I go. I wish Uni had more land to create a 3rd theme park, and that they didnt have to sacrifice old rides for new ones due to lack of space, but I guess thats what happens when space is limited.

Potter definitely put this resort on the map again, and I am glad uni is having so much success with it, hopefully disney will take a few pointers and realize that people want new amazing attractions, and not just some upgraded "interactivity" in the queues
 

The Duck

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Original Poster
Off the top of my head, I'd have to say the long-desired Lucas mini-land. More Star Wars rides and dining, the Indy Lost Expedition, etc.
Middle earth would be cool, but lacks the size of SWs fan base and pop culture history.

Ditto. Lucas projects have withstood the test of time. Something that Avatar probably won't (of course, I'm a bit prejudiced because I hated Avatar). When the Photopass guy told me about the "regrets", it just didn't make sense to me because Harry seems to be doing well at Uni. Just how long Harry will remain popular is debatable but for the time being, I would say that Rowling is more than satisfied. Whether or not Cameron will be satisfied is what is up in the air now.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
I was there in October and I am not a HP fan I have seen the movies but I did like the rides I thought they were fun I like Butter beer but the only problem I had was the size of the ride. Come on IOA there are bigger people out there. My husband is 6'7 and 320 pounds but he isn't fat he is very tall and muscular and My husband fits on every ride at Disney.. the Coasters like Everest R&R ETC they just tell him to sit in an ODD number row. Universal he was excited to try a new coaster. didn't happen he cant fit on the hulk the one coaster that's red( i forgot the name , the one that's always breaking) and not to add to it both of the potter rides. I rode them I wanted to try them out but it was hard with out my husband I felt bad! So over all I liked it but i cant go back again bc I don't want to leave out my husband. I thought universal should have made them bigger If Disney can do it so can IOA

I doubt your husband can fit on space mountain.

I know he's important to you.. but you also have to realize someone who is 6'7 is a tiny percent of the population. You gotta aim for the center mass when building stuff.
 

surfsupdon

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I'm glad Disney didn't get Potter. With its popularity, Universal made sure Potter got huge treatment.

A Pixar Place land expansion would be incredible--so many possibilities for great rides and the ability to create an entire world!!!

But instead we have a brick building on a narrow thoroughfare with Scrabble letters to tie the buildings all together. Whoops.
 

Pioneer Hall

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Going back to the original post, why would J.K. Rowling have regrets? Possibilities:

1. Creative control - I suspect that she has much more creative control at Universal than she would have had at WDW so I doubt this would be the reason.

2. Execution - Does Rowling feel that Disney could have executed WWOHP better? Given #1, if she's not happy with the execution of WWOHP, then she only has herself to blame.

3. World-wide exposure - Disney has theme parks throughout the world. Does Rowling which she could expand at locations other than the 2 offered by Universal (i.e. FL & CA)?

4. Disney affiliation - Does Rowling feel loyalty to the Disney brand name?

5. Money - Would Rowling have been paid more by Disney?

What are other reasons Rowling would have "regretted" not signing with Disney?

Small clarification on the bold part. Universal has parks in FL, CA, Japan, and Singapore. There is a park opening in South Korea in 2016, and at one time there were plans for one in Dubai (construction halted due to the real estate bust in that country, could possibly happen in the future).
 

BringMeTheHoriz

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I'm glad Disney didn't get Potter. With its popularity, Universal made sure Potter got huge treatment.

A Pixar Place land expansion would be incredible--so many possibilities for great rides and the ability to create an entire world!!!

But instead we have a brick building on a narrow thoroughfare with Scrabble letters to tie the buildings all together. Whoops.

Exactly. So much that can be done with Pixar. We did get one great ride, but shouldn't its popularity be a sign that maybe Pixar needs more room? In my opinion Pixar is the best answer to Uni: films that average over $600 million at the box office, continuity of characters, heartwarming stories. Iger missed one opportunity, and is missing another by not creating an immersive Pixar land.
 

surfsupdon

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Exactly. So much that can be done with Pixar. We did get one great ride, but shouldn't its popularity be a sign that maybe Pixar needs more room? In my opinion Pixar is the best answer to Uni: films that average over $600 million at the box office, continuity of characters, heartwarming stories. Iger missed one opportunity, and is missing another by not creating an immersive Pixar land.

And so many of these stories take place in worlds humans don't live in or know. The premise of toys coming alive when humans aren't around is INCREDIBLE....the world of bugs, under the sea, Monstropolis, the list of Pixar movies makes for an amazing library,and Disney should use some of them.


Or create an entire new world, from the IMAGINATION of DISNEY.
 

SeaBase86

Member
Even though two of the three rides were alread there, they were still good rides. Dragon Challenge is still the only dueling inverted coaster in the world and Fly Unicorn is better than Goofy's coaster.

IMO Harry Potter just really made Islands Of Adventure my second favorite theme park in the World.

On that note I'm glad Universal got Harry Potter. I really hope Disney takes this as a sign that they should really step their game up. Competition is always good.
 

notslim99

Active Member
She has absolutely no reason to regret going with Universal. She was able to retain complete creative control. Universal did it and is doing it right. Disney would have found a way to screw it up...

I don't know what some of you people are looking at, but when my wife and I went to WWoHP last March, it was looking ratty. The banners and flags were tattered, the rooftop snow looked dingy, the locker line at FJ was a giant cluster, and the survey people were out in full force. We went in July of '10 and loved it (I still love FJ, BTW.) You say Disney would have found a way to screw it up, well Universal has beaten them to that too. Just my $0.02.
 

Pioneer Hall

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Thanks for the correction. So by going to Universal, Rowling gets a similar world-wide theme park exposure potential that she would have received by going to Disney. I cannot believe Disney would have given her more money than Universal. So exactly why would Rowling "regret" picking Universal over Disney? I'm having a hard time identifying what she would have to regret.

Those of us that love Disney might regret that she went to Universal but that's our regret, not hers. :)

Right now, I doubt she has any regrets. She actually has million$ of reasons to not have any regrets with going with Uni.
 

Timekeeper

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I think Uni has a bit of a nostalgic connection to those in my age group (and those after me). I was about 3 when Uni opened, and thanks to my dad's job at the time, we always spent a day there on our Disney vacations thanks to some comp tickets. His new job which came right around when IoA opened unfortunately stopped this. It would be a long 10 years until time we would get to IoA, and just two months ago I went back with my dad to Uni for the first time in nearly 12. We had a great time riding Jaws one last time and ET. I would imagine that younger generations have some of these nostalgic attachments as well (especially since most of them are Disney fans) and will continue to go back. WWoHP only personifies this by bringing more and more people into the park. Should HP have the lasting power of Star Wars, then these generations will want to share this with their kids years down the road (and contrary to some belief here, the franchise is yet to show slowing down).

True ...or at least they used to. Yes, USF - overall - provides a bit of a nostalgic feeling for me, someone who has also visited avidly since its opening. But as you pointed out, there is less and less presence of the "original park" and we're basically down to just E.T. (Disaster and Horror Makeup help a little).

Not only have most of the attractions at USF completely changed (rather than receive updates), but the spirit of the park as a whole has changed. Remember the backstage tour that included a tram ride because the original purpose of the park was at least semi-realized when it first opened? All that's left are some cheaply made "plaques" on soundstage walls that some people might pass by while in queue for a HHN house and not even notice.

The turnover rate for USF attractions is nothing like Disney. Can any of us really imagine Disney scrapping badly antiquated attractions like Jungle Cruise? Or how about Small World; that attraction's footprint could house something like Forbidden Journey. Of course not. Disney will keep them, and we will keep riding them. Disney understands that there is an inherent value in nostalgia, regardless of how poorly unrealistic those snakes and butterflies are.

There just seems to be a different mindset, for lack of a better term, between the parks. Given Disney's deep roots in Florida, Universal came along as the new kid on the block (despite their long history in California) and, as a result, Universal has been offering an alternative vibe of updated, thrilling experiences, and I think they let that notion run off on them. An example of this was the tongue in cheek line "This isn't Disney, we don't have to be nice to you," that was sometimes used. Universal continues to add extremely popular, alternative entertainment like HHN and Mardi Gras.

The argument to maintain nostalgia at USF is further weakened by the numbers; by the bottom line. If you look at what HP did for Universal, the numbers are staggering (I won't rehash them here). It's hard to imagine that a *single* intellectual property and one completely new attraction could do so much for Universal. If you looked at the numbers, you'd think that they opened a third park, because that's the impact HP is having. And returning to the original topic, *that* is why (as someone posted above) the only regrets are on Disney's side of the fence for not courting Rowling onto their team.
 

surfsupdon

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I didn't choose to go to Universal because of the Harry Potter world. Like I've said before, I never read the books and I haven't seen the movies.


I went to Universal b/c of the tremendous amount of buzz surrounding this new ride system, a robotic arm running along a track. I left the attraction very pleased, I thought that it was incredible. Universal did a great job.

An added bonus was the total immersion I felt in the new "Island." I felt that an entire new world was brought into this theme park, and I was having fun exploring. The energy within the area combined with a stellar ride and aweseome themeing have led me to start reading the books to get lost in the Hogwarts World.
 

BringMeTheHoriz

Well-Known Member
Right now, I doubt she has any regrets. She actually has million$ of reasons to not have any regrets with going with Uni.

Lets make that billions...

At the end of the day, with that much money, the only thing she could possibly regret is lack of control. She's got cash and she's got control...for people to say she regrets anything is ludicrous.

And I'm sorry. We all love Disney, but to people saying that the WWoHP is not pleasant, going downhill, etc are clearly biased in one direction. I've never been to WWoHP but based on the pictures I've seen of the place and the absolute frenzy its opening created, Universal knocked this one out of the park. The last time I went to IoA was in 2007, and I thought it was a fantastic park. WWoHP was a perfect fit, and I've got to imagine the park is much better because of it.

We don't need to think Disney is the only option we have. In fact, I like splitting my time up between Busch Gardens, Sea World, and Disney. Now I'm making room in my budget for a Universal pass so I can enjoy them all regularly...and there's nothing wrong with that.
 

Skibum1970

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While I haven't been to IOA since WWoHP was built, I loved that park and its immersivenss. Suess Island appealed so much as I read those books over and over as a kid. Marvel Superheroes Island had Spiderman and Hulk ('nough said). Toon Lagoon is nice and Jurassic Park rocked. The Lost Continent was already excellent and Harry Potter appears to have really "plussed" that area and how. The expansion at Universal Studios sounds just as impressive with the rumored Gringott's coaster. Add in the fact that Universal Studios Hollywood is adding their WWoHP and one can see that Disney is in for a dogfight. Now, we still love going to Disney for the ambience that, to us, isn't matched by Universal (some may disagree) but the reasons to go are different. I just think that IOA is a bit more immersive from the total environment (theming, music, and rides) and really transports you to those realms.
 

draybook

Well-Known Member
I grew up going to DL and after going to WDW 4 times (5 after this March), even I am not blind to the facts. Universal is giving Disney a run for their money, and that's good. Like someone else said, lack of competition leads to staleness and that's the point Disney is at right now. The Potter series was ok and I'm not really a fan of roller coasters, but the parks themselves are awesome. Heck, there's only a handful of rides/attractions that my son and I do when we all go down there, but it's just as fun as a day at Disney, sometimes even more so.
 

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