Harry Potter Park Chips Away at Disney's Dominance....

WDWmazprty

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Harry Potter Park Chips Away at Disney's Dominance


Sucessful Harry Potter attraction chips away at Disney's dominance _ but for how long?


The Associated Press
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By MITCH STACY Associated Press

ORLANDO, Fla. December 8, 2010 (AP)


Craig Taylor wasn't much interested in vacationing in Orlando with his parents this month — until he and his girlfriend plugged into the hype swirling around the new Harry Potter attraction.
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FILE- This June 9, 2010 file photo shows a clerk, right, at Ollivander's Wand Shop as he helps...
FILE- This June 9, 2010 file photo shows a clerk, right, at Ollivander's Wand Shop as he helps visitors pick out a magic wand at The Wizarding World of Harry Potter at Universal Orlando theme park in Orlando, Fla. Harry has conjured all the magic Universal expected, and then some. In the quarter after the attraction opened, crowds at Universal parks swelled by 36 percent over the same stretch last year, while attendance at Disney's Orlando parks stayed roughly the same. (AP Photo/John Raoux, FILE)
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So Taylor, 23, a police dispatcher who lives near Manchester, England, and girlfriend Katherine Lucarz, 22, both fans of the wildly popular books and movies about the boy wizard, decided they had to tag along to experience The Wizarding World of Harry Potter at Universal Orlando. That's where they were on a sunny, cool weekday afternoon in early December, taking a break among the other Muggles in the shadow of the towering Hogwarts castle.
"It's brilliant," says Lucarz, adding that the steep, snow-covered rooftops, crooked chimneys and shops of Hogsmeade village are even more like the movies than she imagined. Other visitors queued up just to get in the door at Ollivander's Wand Shop, and waited an hour for the centerpiece ride, a fantastic state-of-the-art flight simulator/robocoaster called "Harry Potter and the Forbidden Journey."

That sort of devotion to all things Potter is precisely what Universal hoped to tap into when it debuted the $250 million attraction in June in a corner of its Islands of Adventure park.
Harry has conjured all the magic Universal expected, and then some. In the quarter after the attraction opened, crowds at Universal parks swelled by 36 percent over the same stretch last year, while attendance at Disney's Orlando parks stayed roughly the same.
But the big question is, can Universal keep the edge and take a bigger bite out of the Mouse's historical dominance as more families shake off the recession and come back to the parks?
That's hard to tell, industry analysts and tourism officials say, but everyone agrees that the eye-popping success of the Wizarding World of Harry Potter has been a shot in the arm for all the Orlando-area attractions.
Thanks to the new attraction and an improving economy, hotel occupancy rates in Orange County shot up nearly 21 percent in July over the same month last year, and through September were running nearly 7 percent ahead of 2009 totals.

"Harry Potter certainly has been a very powerful motivator," says Gary Sain, president of the Orlando/Orange County Convention & Visitors Bureau. "I believe that it has helped to drive additional visitation to Orlando. And then no one just comes for one attraction, they come to visit several attractions."
But Disney, historically good at keeping extended-stay visitors on its properties, is losing more park days to Universal now because of the Harry Potter attraction, says Dennis Speigel, president of International Theme Park Services Inc., an independent industry consultant. He believes the Potter attraction has also taken a considerable bite out of attendance at SeaWorld Orlando, whose image — and attendance — is still recovering from the violent death of a whale trainer in February.

"(Harry Potter) has had an enormous impact, and we believe it has legs," Speigel says. "I don't think you're going to see a 36-percent increase at any theme park for a while. But we believe that Harry Potter has enough story line to carry forward for the next 15 years, if it is properly executed in the parks."
Moody's Investors Service said last month that Universal's boost from the attraction should last several years.
Steve Baker of Baker Leisure Group, a theme-park industry consultant, predicts a two-year benefit for Universal, but Disney's dominance and skill at keeping visitors on its properties is too hard to crack for Universal to gain any permanent and significant ground on the mighty Mouse.
"I think what's happened so far is that (Harry Potter) hasn't brought new business to the market yet, it's just enjoyed a bigger market share of what exists," Baker says. "And I think until Disney comes out with something new, that's probably going to be the case. Harry Potter will be a big influence on the attendance at all the parks for quite a few months. I know Universal is hoping it's everlasting, but nothing is everlasting."

For now, though, there's no mistaking what's bringing people to the park.
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FILE- This June 9, 2010 file photo shows Erin Wuchte as she serves up Butterbeer to guests at The...
FILE- This June 9, 2010 file photo shows Erin Wuchte as she serves up Butterbeer to guests at The Wizarding World of Harry Potter at Universal Orlando theme park in Orlando, Fla. Harry has conjured all the magic Universal expected, and then some. In the quarter after the attraction opened, crowds at Universal parks swelled by 36 percent over the same stretch last year, while attendance at Disney's Orlando parks stayed roughly the same. (AP Photo/John Raoux, FILE)
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On a late morning in early December, typically a slow period for all the Orlando parks, the wand shop at the Wizarding World wasn't the only one with a crowd. Wannabe witches and wizards also stood in line to get into the gift shops, belly up for a butter beer and eat at the Three Broomsticks Inn. The hubbub at the Wizarding World didn't spill over into the other areas of Universal's two parks, where crowds were sparse and wait times for rides were no more than five or 10 minutes.

Universal spokesman Tom Schroder says the new attraction has "been great for everything we are."
"The Wizarding World of Harry Potter has helped us reach a new audience, and we've used that opportunity very strategically to help people understand everything they can experience when they come here," Schroder says.
Overall, though, 2011 is expected to be another soft year for the theme park industry with only modest growth, analysts say, with much higher hopes for 2012.
"We're not a recession-proof industry, but we're a recession-resilient industry," Speigel says. "We bounce back faster than a lot of industries. People want to escape, they want to get out, they want to have fun. In 2010 we saw a lot of pent-up demand that had carried over from '08 and '09."
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DisneyJoe

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The hubbub at the Wizarding World didn't spill over into the other areas of Universal's two parks, where crowds were sparse and wait times for rides were no more than five or 10 minutes.

To me this begs the question - how repeatable is the WWoHP experience? Will it make people come back again and again, year after year?
 

WDWmazprty

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To me this begs the question - how repeatable is the WWoHP experience? Will it make people come back again and again, year after year?


I guess we shall see. I haven't experienced it yet, I hear its a cool ride but nothing to write home about.:shrug:
 

Monty

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To me this begs the question - how repeatable is the WWoHP experience? Will it make people come back again and again, year after year?
IMO no. I enjoyed WWOHP, but it won't bring me back. The area is worth experiencing, but the rest of Universal doesn't warrant the cost.
 

reactortrip

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To me this begs the question - how repeatable is the WWoHP experience? Will it make people come back again and again, year after year?

I am a huge Potter fanatic (my wife would probably say this is an understatement as I been screwing around with recipes for butterbeer since I got back from my trip last week) and I will be the first to say I do not think its a very repeatable park. It's very small with limited things to see. Without a crowd you could see everything in an hour with no rush to it. Expanding it needs to be considered to make it a much more robust park. I was really disappointed with the size. A one day trip to IoA (especially if you single rider FJ) is about all you really need to get a very heavy dose of Potter. If I didn't have family in Orlando which worked at Universal, I don't know how often I would return for it. I was very happy with the quality, just disappointed in the size.
 

trr1

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I am a huge Potter fanatic (my wife would probably say this is an understatement as I been screwing around with recipes for butterbeer since I got back from my trip last week) and I will be the first to say I do not think its a very repeatable park. It's very small with limited things to see. Without a crowd you could see everything in an hour with no rush to it. Expanding it needs to be considered to make it a much more robust park. I was really disappointed with the size. A one day trip to IoA (especially if you single rider FJ) is about all you really need to get a very heavy dose of Potter. If I didn't have family in Orlando which worked at Universal, I don't know how often I would return for it. I was very happy with the quality, just disappointed in the size.
first I want to say this is not directed at reactortrip. I keep wondering why alot of people keep saying that WWOHP is a park. it is not a park it is a land. Just like [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Seuss Landing[/FONT], [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Marvel Island and the rest are lands:wave:[/FONT]
 

DisneyJoe

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first I want to say this is not directed at reactortrip. I keep wondering why alot of people keep saying that WWOHP is a park. it is not a park it is a land. Just like [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Seuss Landing[/FONT], [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Marvel Island and the rest are lands:wave:[/FONT]

Some TV commercials (and possibly other ads) have referred to it as a park.....

Even the lead post in this thread does: "Harry Potter Park Chips Away at Disney's Dominance"

Do a Google Search for Harry Potter Park and you will even see Universal running ads for the Harry Potter Park.

Other media too - http://www.guardian.co.uk/travel/2010/jun/18/harry-potter-theme-park "Muggles away: new Harry Potter theme park opens in Florida

Georgia Brown gets a sneak preview of the new $200m Harry Potter theme park, which opens today in Florida"
 

reactortrip

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first I want to say this is not directed at reactortrip. I keep wondering why alot of people keep saying that WWOHP is a park. it is not a park it is a land. Just like [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Seuss Landing[/FONT], [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Marvel Island and the rest are lands:wave:[/FONT]

I always thought Lands were a true Walt terminology for mini parks to be honest. IoA uses Islands instead of Lands. It's all just slang for mini parks inside a larger park.
 

trr1

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Some TV commercials (and possibly other ads) have referred to it as a park.....

Even the lead post in this thread does: "Harry Potter Park Chips Away at Disney's Dominance"

Do a Google Search for Harry Potter Park and you will even see Universal running ads for the Harry Potter Park.

Other media too - http://www.guardian.co.uk/travel/2010/jun/18/harry-potter-theme-park "Muggles away: new Harry Potter theme park opens in Florida

Georgia Brown gets a sneak preview of the new $200m Harry Potter theme park, which opens today in Florida"

I always thought Lands were a true Walt terminology for mini parks to be honest. IoA uses Islands instead of Lands. It's all just slang for mini parks inside a larger park.
so that means that WDW resort has 39 parks?
(MK 7 lands)(Epcot 19 lands)(DHS 4 land)(AK 7 Lands)(BB)(TL)
 

Monty

Brilliant...and Canadian
In the Parks
No
so that means that WDW resort has 39 parks?
(MK 7 lands)(Epcot 19 lands)(DHS 4 land)(AK 7 Lands)(BB)(TL)
No, that means that the terminology being used is vague and inconsistent. Lands, areas, scenes, parks, etc. are used interchangeably in the industry to the extent that no-one is right or wrong to use any given label for any given area.
 

JCtheparrothead

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IMO no. I enjoyed WWOHP, but it won't bring me back. The area is worth experiencing, but the rest of Universal doesn't warrant the cost.

I totally agree. HP is great for about a 3 or 4 hour tour at the max. You can do the rest of the parks ( I was there in early december) in a few hours. I could see going back every 3 years or so but universal doesnt hold my attention like Disney.
 

kcnole

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I totally agree. HP is great for about a 3 or 4 hour tour at the max. You can do the rest of the parks ( I was there in early december) in a few hours.

If you're doing the rest of the parks in just a few hours then you're not doing the rest of the parks. You're hitting a few major rides and calling it a day. I've never understood this idea. I've visited Universal numerous times. IOA is a repeatable park even without HP. HP makes it even better.
 

Mouse Man

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H.P is a fad right now that will fade away in about another two years. Uni is not a year after year repeatable park or resort. The rides/attractions once experienced a few times become the same ol same ol and is not worthe spending the money that is cost for a two day pass. Disney is still and always will be the better value that provides a ton of things to do for the entire family year after year. If I want thrill rides and nothing more I can go to six flags. I know why input here since I am not a Uni fan. I was a Uni fan for the first year or two and after that Uni went down hill and stayed there. This past Septembers trip to Disney made the DWF and I smile and we had a great time, shows, meals, activities, water parks and resort parks. There are more resorts to choose from and the theming is totaly wonderful. Disney goes out of there way to make us feel welcomed and to enjoy ourselves. Get the Deluxe Food and Fun plan (Platinum) and the vacation goes from great to WOW. Sorry but Uni can not do that or will ever do that. Not to mention Uni can be visited and seen in one day. Shows are sub par, They do have a few fun and exciting rides like Spiderman, the Mummy and Jurasic Park. I will say that Men In Black is good and will be since I loved the movies that much, but Disney's tou story is so much fun to ride over and over again.
 

cheezbat

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H.P is a fad right now that will fade away in about another two years. Uni is not a year after year repeatable park or resort. The rides/attractions once experienced a few times become the same ol same ol and is not worthe spending the money that is cost for a two day pass. Disney is still and always will be the better value that provides a ton of things to do for the entire family year after year. If I want thrill rides and nothing more I can go to six flags. I know why input here since I am not a Uni fan. I was a Uni fan for the first year or two and after that Uni went down hill and stayed there. This past Septembers trip to Disney made the DWF and I smile and we had a great time, shows, meals, activities, water parks and resort parks. There are more resorts to choose from and the theming is totaly wonderful. Disney goes out of there way to make us feel welcomed and to enjoy ourselves. Get the Deluxe Food and Fun plan (Platinum) and the vacation goes from great to WOW. Sorry but Uni can not do that or will ever do that. Not to mention Uni can be visited and seen in one day. Shows are sub par, They do have a few fun and exciting rides like Spiderman, the Mummy and Jurasic Park. I will say that Men In Black is good and will be since I loved the movies that much, but Disney's tou story is so much fun to ride over and over again.

to each his/her own my friend. Some people LOVE Disney and HATE Universal. Some people LOVE Universal and HATE Disney. Some people LOVE Six Flags and hate Cedar Point. Some people love Cedar Point and hate Six Flags..etc...the point is, everyone has different taste, and I for one am more of a thrill person, but also love theme and dark rides, so I like all parks. I love Universal. I have renewed my pass every year for the past 7 years, but I stopped doing that with WDW, because I feel towards WDW how you feel towards Universal. I don't see it as a value for my money anymore. In my mind WDW just continues to raise prices without adding things to the parks that entice me to come back. So now instead I travel out to Disneyland Resort in California when I want a real Disney value. You don't have to like it or get it, and I don't have to like what you like or get what you like. That's what keeps all these companies buliding new parks and rides and attractions...things to appeal to EVERYONE. Gotta love diversity!

Oh yeah...and competiton is a parkgoers best friend! :)
 

Testtrack321

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I take offense to the headline. IoA and UO has had LARGER attendance figures in prior years yet no one seemed to be talking about "chips away at Disney's dominance". It's just a click-grabber.

What gets me is that in order for UO to succeed Disney has to fail, and vice versa. Yet for over 20 years they have lived in harmony with each other.

Either way, I can't wait to make my way over to WWoHP for A DAY with my family. Then I'll be done with it till they add more. Or finally convert the rest of the park into a HP experience. Either or.
 

Pumbas Nakasak

Heading for the great escape.
As a regular visitor to Universal I'm saddened to see all the pixie dust crew clogging up lines looking pail and terrified at attractions cause they arent aimed at pre schoolers. It is a different experience one that to me compliments a trip to Disney, ignoring its current state of stagnation of course.

Potter is doing what Universal hoped, maybe the management will realise that doing something well with an attraction brings dividends that are far bigger than than rebranded marketing campaign extolling the virtues of how great nostalgia is.
 

MKCP 1985

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Having just returned from Disney/Universal, it was my observation that the Wizarding World of Harry Potter area at Universal was a fantastic addition and everyone in my party agreed Disney missed an opportunity here and as a result, Universal is a step closer. The area was well done and every park employee we encountered was on par with what we have come to expect of Disney cast members.

I've made several trips to Universal and never felt this way before.

Observations: People lined up to get into the stores in Potterland. Two separate lines to get inside - and one line did not include seeing any show. Disney can only wish for that type of interest in its boutiques!

Several employees walking around the Seuss Landing area in full makeup as Whoville residents. Disney doesn't do anything like this. Advantage - Universal.

Mythos restaurant was fantastic - equal to or better than any in-park Disney restaurant we encountered, and less expensive.

My four days at Disney parks were awesome - can there be a better time to visit than the Christmas holidays? However, I cannot say the day spent at Islands of Adventure was inferior in any way and that's the first time I have left feeling that way.
 

Testtrack321

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Several employees walking around the Seuss Landing area in full makeup as Whoville residents. Disney doesn't do anything like this. Advantage - Universal.

Mythos restaurant was fantastic - equal to or better than any in-park Disney restaurant we encountered.

I've been to IoA and UO several times and have never seen the Whoville residents before. My guess is that they're there for the Christmas season, which is still cool but not "wow that's an always there addition" cool.

Haven't been to Mythos, but really want to ASAP.

As a regular visitor to Universal I'm saddened to see all the pixie dust crew clogging up lines looking pail and terrified at attractions cause they arent aimed at pre schoolers.

Man, I've listened to your insight before and have agreed before. This time all I can think is you're HIGHLY patronizing here. Give me a break. Pail pixie dust crew? If you're going to typecast lets just say the whole HP crowd is pale and confused with crowds outside of a book or movie unveiling, if they have ever been to Disney or not. :rolleyes:
 

Skip

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I've been to IoA and UO several times and have never seen the Whoville residents before. My guess is that they're there for the Christmas season, which is still cool but not "wow that's an always there addition" cool.

Haven't been to Mythos, but really want to ASAP.



Man, I've listened to your insight before and have agreed before. This time all I can think is you're HIGHLY patronizing here. Give me a break. Pail pixie dust crew? If you're going to typecast lets just say the whole HP crowd is pale and confused with crowds outside of a book or movie unveiling, if they have ever been to Disney or not. :rolleyes:

1) Yes, the Whoville residents are there for the holiday season - ditto with the "Meet the Grinch" (live-action, face character version) and the truly excellent "How the Grinch Stole Christmas" musical performance (which was moved into one of the resort's soundstages for an improved performance/seating space). That said, other Seuss characters (The Cat in the Hat, Thing 1/2, The Grinch [non-face], "Guy", and Sam I Am) can often be found around Seuss Landing, much like Disney park characters.

2) Please do. Mythos is still fantastic - my family eats there every trip.

3) Pumbas makes gross generalities all the time - given his various self-proclaimed titles as a "troll", I would assume he's doing just that. That said, I find his posts absolutely hilarious and often more insightful than most would like to admit.
 

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