Harry Potter Park Chips Away at Disney's Dominance....

Testtrack321

Well-Known Member
1) Yes, the Whoville residents are there for the holiday season - ditto with the "Meet the Grinch" (live-action, face character version) and the truly excellent "How the Grinch Stole Christmas" musical performance (which was moved into one of the resort's soundstages for an improved performance/seating space). That said, other Seuss characters (The Cat in the Hat, Thing 1/2, The Grinch [non-face], "Guy", and Sam I Am) can often be found around Seuss Landing, much like Disney park characters.

2) Please do. Mythos is still fantastic - my family eats there every trip.

3) Pumbas makes gross generalities all the time - given his various self-proclaimed titles as a "troll", I would assume he's doing just that. That said, I find his posts absolutely hilarious and often more insightful than most would like to admit.

1.) That's what I thought, but Disney also does lots of seasonal/one-off characters so I don't think either is "better."

2.) I'm still debating between that and Hogshead. I mean Mythos has reported great food, but I mean it *IS* Hogshead!

3.) True, very true. I guess it's the alcohol that's getting to me. Maybe it says more about my insecurities, eh? :veryconfu
 

xtina72

New Member
I found the Potter land soooooo small.....we did the whole wand choosing thing, ok, done....next. Its not like we would do it over and over and over again.
 

cheezbat

Well-Known Member
I found the Potter land soooooo small.....we did the whole wand choosing thing, ok, done....next. Its not like we would do it over and over and over again.

The same has been said about the Triceratops Encounter, or The Enchanted Tiki Room Under new management, or Stitch's Great Escape, or Disney's Animation tour. Some people love these things and will go again and again. For others, it's a one-time thing. And for some it's a 'skip it every time' thing.

The whole wand experience was just a special way to purchase a wand. And Universal is banking off those things!
 

JT3000

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You aren't supposed to do this stuff over and over again. I've seen a lot of people complaining about HP's repeatability here. Fact of the matter is, the Orlando theme parks are, to a large degree, designed for the "once-in-a-lifetime" guests, not repeat visitors. They don't care nearly as much about hooking repeat visitors as many here would like to think. This goes for WDW also, and even moreso. Why do you think it's become so stale? They aren't trying to ________ you off, they just don't care.
 

MKCP 1985

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You aren't supposed to do this stuff over and over again. I've seen a lot of people complaining about HP's repeatability here. Fact of the matter is, the Orlando theme parks are, to a large degree, designed for the "once-in-a-lifetime" guests, not repeat visitors. They don't care nearly as much about hooking repeat visitors as many here would like to think. This goes for WDW also, and even moreso.

When I worked at Disney in the 80s, we were taught in College Program seminars just the opposite. To sustain Walt Disney World requires repeat visitors. Sales of annual passes and the existence and expansion of DVC resorts would tell me that remains true today.
 

JT3000

Well-Known Member
WDW isn't sustained by people who go on a regular basis. Never has been. It's a tourist resort that's lucky if a family decides to go more than once a decade.Most people who visit the parks aren't even Disney (park) fans, they're average folk who consider it a VERY special occasion. Disney knows this, and they've maintained (lol) the parks accordingly.

As for AP sales, I would guess that they aren't that healthy, given their outrageous price and general lack of usefulness to the average WDW guest. Compared to Disneyland, AP sales probably aren't healthy at all.
 

Arbok

New Member
Seen quite a few people talk about how small WWoHP is... so just kind of curious how big it is for those who have been. How does it compare to other themed "areas" at WDW at Disneyland? Is it bigger than Disneyland's Toontown, for example?
 

Mouse Man

New Member
WDW isn't sustained by people who go on a regular basis. Never has been. It's a tourist resort that's lucky if a family decides to go more than once a decade.Most people who visit the parks aren't even Disney (park) fans, they're average folk who consider it a VERY special occasion. Disney knows this, and they've maintained (lol) the parks accordingly.

As for AP sales, I would guess that they aren't that healthy, given their outrageous price and general lack of usefulness to the average WDW guest. Compared to Disneyland, AP sales probably aren't healthy at all.


BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Stop your killing me with the facts HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA:hammer:
 

Sorcerer Mickey

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I just got back from a 4-day stay at the Universal property. It was my second time visiting Potter, and I love it.

But Disney, however stagnant and boring it has become at this point with absolutely no updates in the past half-decade, still holds the advantage.

That's because Universal has an absolutely terrible way of handling certain things, the biggest being traffic. Islands of Adventure was filled to the brim this week, and the small park isn't meant to hold all those people. The pathways are narrow and traffic generally flows in one direction. If you're going the other way, you're practically screwed.

Wizarding World amplifies this to a startlingly degree. I understand that it's accurate to the mythos, but the tiny pathways and small shops are extremely frustrating. I waited for Olivander's and absolutely loved the show. I wanted to buy some merchandise. However, the store was so clogged with people that - after enduring crossing arms and legs with just about everyone there - I gave up and walked out. It's hard to breathe, and I just don't care about buying anything at that point. I'll buy a shirt at the Universal store at CityWalk.

On top of that, there's a gigantic warehouse sitting behind Hogwarts castle, obviously where the Forbidden Journey ride takes place in. Coming from Jurassic Park, you'll see the plain-looking building with Hogwarts peaking right behind it. When waiting in line for FJ, you have front-row seats to the plain-o-rama that is a beige building plopped right in the middle of the action. It's incredibly lazy and distracting, and destroys the illusion completely. This has always been a problem with Universal, as they really don't care that you buy into it - they just jam pack as many attractions and shops into one spot as they can. In most case, Islands is a glorified amusement park.

Finally, I had the Express pass because I was staying on property. The cool thing is that you can use it at any time. The bad news is, you can use it at any time. Express pass lines sometimes grew to 15 minutes, and while that's a far cry from 75 minute waits, I still shouldn't have to wait in line. The Express Pass for E.T. is especially awful, as you get in the Express line, merge with everyone else, and then back into another Express line, which is hidden behind a mob of confused people. Some employees don't even check for your pass.

Don't even get me started on the absolutely atrocious way that Universal is handling Harry Potter traffic. Rather than asking at the door of the park and giving everyone a time there at the entrance, they created a new ticket/stand-by line that clutters Jurassic Park and some of Toon Island. It's messy and it gets ugly quick between the guests, especially tourists who aren't accustomed to this or haven't read up on the forums before.

I love Universal and Islands of Adventure, and I recommend Potter. But I know that the parks come up very short in some big ways, so when people compare the parks to Disney, I just want them to remember how far attention to detail goes with the Mouse House. They might not have built a franchise-driven attraction to suit your needs, but they know how to make a park work. Magic Kingdom is the best theme park in the world, in my opinion, as it's mostly timeless and built with such attention to the smallest detail. The heart and soul of all its creators can be found in most of that park. Harry Potter, while thrilling to see in person, will become just another aged property.

I mean, who goes to Universal now, excited to see aged franchises like Twister, Terminator 2, Jimmy Neutron and The Mummy? More than half of these are barely relevant. Terminator 2 is a joke, in dire need of a makeover.
 

Pumbas Nakasak

Heading for the great escape.
My comprehension ability is what lead me to produce my articulate and succinct reply. Opinionated rhetoric is exactly that, regardless of the amount of words used.
The fact you say the Magic Kingdom is the best theme park in the world ( when most dont think its the best Disney operated park) and some of the criticisms you level at Universal can also be said about any Disney park, to me confirms that you have produced the usual fan boy atypical post on any Universal related thread.
 

Sorcerer Mickey

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My comprehension ability is what lead me to produce my articulate and succinct reply. Opinionated rhetoric is exactly that, regardless of the amount of words used.
The fact you say the Magic Kingdom is the best theme park in the world ( when most dont think its the best Disney operated park) and some of the criticisms you level at Universal can also be said about any Disney park, to me confirms that you have produced the usual fan boy atypical post on any Universal related thread.

I stated this in my opinion. The fact that Magic Kingdom is my favorite park shouldn't label me as a Disney fanboy. I particularly don't enjoy Epcot and Animal Kingdom at all. Disney's California Adventure is an abomination. I've never been to Disneyland Cali.

I've been to Magic Kingdom on New Year's Eve when it's closed to capacity and it's still easier to maneuver around than IoA on a regular day. I would like to see what you see as the greatest theme park you've been to, because you can't tell me that all the show buildings you can see as clear as day at Universal are prevalent anywhere on Disney property. Heck, the hotels outside Magic Kingdom are built at an angle that you can't see the Splash Mountain show building. There's no attention to detail anywhere like that in Universal.
 

Pumbas Nakasak

Heading for the great escape.
The fact that you are wittering away about seeing show buildings shows how desperate you are to find fault.

Or do you close your eyes as you ride Splash, ToT, Soarin, etc etc. Lets face it the Carp and duck blot the sky at Epcot. Being over the age of 8 things like that dont bother me I know its pretendy set style themeing. Great themeing adds to a great ride but it doesnt make an average ride good.

As for free movement of traffic, you must be oblivious to the stroller/ECV carnage of recent years. Its not only the collisions with ankles that over laden Nimitz class strollers that grate but the banks on banks of the damn things parked up outside every attraction. Not a problem at Uni as its target demographic doesnt appear to be sub 10 year olds.

I complain about three things at Disney, lack of attractions for grown up families, homogenised menus and the impact of the DDP and the continual price hikes for little perceivable improvement, all of which I feel warrant comment. Uni has got its act together since ownership has been stabilised but increased numbers are affecting some things there too already and Ill be just as prone to voicing negative opinions about that too.
 

T-1MILLION

New Member
I stated this in my opinion. The fact that Magic Kingdom is my favorite park shouldn't label me as a Disney fanboy. I particularly don't enjoy Epcot and Animal Kingdom at all. Disney's California Adventure is an abomination. I've never been to Disneyland Cali.

I've been to Magic Kingdom on New Year's Eve when it's closed to capacity and it's still easier to maneuver around than IoA on a regular day. I would like to see what you see as the greatest theme park you've been to, because you can't tell me that all the show buildings you can see as clear as day at Universal are prevalent anywhere on Disney property. Heck, the hotels outside Magic Kingdom are built at an angle that you can't see the Splash Mountain show building. There's no attention to detail anywhere like that in Universal.

You must never walk through Fantasyland. I see tons of show buildings, and even worse I have been able to see old dirty backstage vents/building walls all the time.

I understand traffic flow complaints, but you could of guessed it would of been crowded. So I can't take that as too serious of a complaint, just something they could work on.

You went to the biggest theme park project in the last ten years, around the busiest time of year for theme parks, you could not of been too shocked that it was incredibly insanely crowded.
 

cheezbat

Well-Known Member
The fact that you have never been to Disneyland really says alot to me. Disneyland is FAR superior to the Magic Kingdom in almost every way imaginable. And as for California Adventure being an abomination? Maybe it was from the start, but at least they have many attractions packed into the park and they are spending big bucks to make it right. I wish they'd do the same for Hollywood Studios and Animal Kingdom. :lookaroun

While there are areas you can see the Potter showbuilding from, do you realize how many more tens or hundreds of millions of dollars it would have cost Universal to hide that entire show building? They give you the forced perspective they wanted you to see....whne you first enter the Hogsmeade Area...and it's done well. Heck, Disney does NOT do the best job at hiding things either. I love how you can see the Bay Lake Tower in Tomorrowland, or the Swan and Dolphin in Epcot, or the backside of Everest, or Haunted Mansion's showbuilding, or the back of some of the main street buildings in other areas. Nobody is perfect.
 

nerdboyrockstar

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While there are areas you can see the Potter showbuilding from, do you realize how many more tens or hundreds of millions of dollars it would have cost Universal to hide that entire show building? They give you the forced perspective they wanted you to see....whne you first enter the Hogsmeade Area...and it's done well. Heck, Disney does NOT do the best job at hiding things either. I love how you can see the Bay Lake Tower in Tomorrowland, or the Swan and Dolphin in Epcot, or the backside of Everest, or Haunted Mansion's showbuilding, or the back of some of the main street buildings in other areas. Nobody is perfect.

Exactly.

And Magic Kingdom is far from the best theme park in the world. :lol: Unless your gauge for that title is the wideness of the walkways.
 

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