Hallowishes has been shortened

[pheneix]

Every fireworks show at WDW is being looked at for cost cutting. Holiday Wishes will also see some segments cut during its next run, and yes, even regular Wishes looks like it will see about two minutes chopped away.

They're not quite sure what to do with Illuminations yet. My guess is that due to the nature of the show it probably will be sparred the budget axe. Its pyro product is on a much smaller scale than the MK shows anyway.

 

[steener618]

Here is my suggestion, dont get upset, but disney could spare the perimeter fireworks (i know its a great effect, but it does cost a lot to do), and only bring them on the special dates like July 4th and NYE.

As for the regular shows (Wishes and Illuminations), instead of cutting the show itself, why not have it displayed on weekends or select nights like they are eventually going to do for Fantasmic. Dont get me wrong, I really do love these shows. I know this sounds painful to disney fans but it could save alot of money.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

Every fireworks show at WDW is being looked at for cost cutting. Holiday Wishes will also see some segments cut during its next run, and yes, even regular Wishes looks like it will see about two minutes chopped away.

They're not quite sure what to do with Illuminations yet. My guess is that due to the nature of the show it probably will be sparred the budget axe. Its pyro product is on a much smaller scale than the MK shows anyway.

How the heck are they going to acomplish that!?

Both tell a story...You can't cut that.

 

[Disneyfanman]

Every fireworks show at WDW is being looked at for cost cutting. Holiday Wishes will also see some segments cut during its next run, and yes, even regular Wishes looks like it will see about two minutes chopped away.

They're not quite sure what to do with Illuminations yet. My guess is that due to the nature of the show it probably will be sparred the budget axe. Its pyro product is on a much smaller scale than the MK shows anyway.

This gives me more perspective on the reduction of Fantasmic to two nights per week. That show must cost a bundle with all the performers PLUS the pyro.

 

[NemoRocks78]

Lame :fork:

 

[devoy1701]

Here is my suggestion, dont get upset, but disney could spare the perimeter fireworks (i know its a great effect, but it does cost a lot to do), and only bring them on the special dates like July 4th and NYE.

As for the regular shows (Wishes and Illuminations), instead of cutting the show itself, why not have it displayed on weekends or select nights like they are eventually going to do for Fantasmic. Dont get me wrong, I really do love these shows. I know this sounds painful to disney fans but it could save alot of money.

besides the soundtrack itself...the perimeter shots are one of the reasons I love Hallowishes (and for that fact any of the hard ticket firework shows) more than regular Wishes. I would have loved to have seen Hallowishes the first year when they did 360 perimeters.

 

[jt04]

I wouldn't mind if they axed X-owishes and channeled that money into fully funding Holiday Wishes. MVMCP and the Christmas Holiday events should never be scaled back.:xmas:

 

[dreamfinder]

I wouldn't mind if they axed X-owishes and channeled that money into fully funding Holiday Wishes. MVMCP and the Christmas Holiday events should never be scaled back.:xmas:

Simple. Convince the 15,000 other people going to the same MVMCP as you to pay an extra $10 per ticket. That would enable them to keep the same show without having to kill other shows off completely. I'm sure no one would mind.

 

[jt04]

Simple. Convince the 15,000 other people going to the same MVMCP as you to pay an extra $10 per ticket. That would enable them to keep the same show without having to kill other shows off completely. I'm sure no one would mind.

I just think they would be better off getting rid of one show to save another rather than running two mediocre shows. But I actually like your idea as I don't mind paying a bit more if the quality is there. Money follows quality so you have a good point.:xmas::xmas::xmas::xmas::xmas:

Anyone can do mediocre.

 

[PKD]

I wouldn't mind if they axed X-owishes and channeled that money into fully funding Holiday Wishes. MVMCP and the Christmas Holiday events should never be scaled back.:xmas:

I personally would disagree with this. The Halloween event, in my eyes, has more to offer then the Christmas event. The Halloween Parade, Hallowishes, Dressed up charactors, and trick or treating are all things you can't experience during the day at the park.

The Christmas party doesn't seem to be as "special" of an event as a lot of the activities can be seen during normal business hours when it's closer to Christmas. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the Christmas stuff, just doesn't seem to be as unique as the Halloween event.

 

[devoy1701]

I personally would disagree with this. The Halloween event, in my eyes, has more to offer then the Christmas event. The Halloween Parade, Hallowishes, Dressed up charactors, and trick or treating are all things you can't experience during the day at the park.

The Christmas party doesn't seem to be as "special" of an event as a lot of the activities can be seen during normal business hours when it's closer to Christmas. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the Christmas stuff, just doesn't seem to be as unique as the Halloween event.

I agree. I went to both events last year...actually I went to NSSHP twice and MVMCP once. The Christmas Party was part of our 4 day Christmas trip from the 16th thru the 19th...we ended up going back to our hotel at 10 because it wasn't worth it to us. It really seemed like a regular night at Magic Kingdom. Hot Cocoa and Cookies were not enough...and seeing most of the same floats as are in Boo To You was kind of lame since Boo To You is such a fantastic parade! And I thought Holiday Wishes would have been much more special if they had a medley of tradition chrismas songs that everyone could sing along to...and they also reused the same effects that they use in Hallowishes. The snow on Main Street was also never falling on the 4 times we decided to check it throughout the night!

Now being able to dress up in costume and trick or treating is fantastic! Combined with Hallowishes and Boo To You...I think the Halloween Party has much more to offer to make it a special night.

Anyway...IMO, the Halloween Party is much better themed and executed...It'll be an annual event for us...we'll never go back to the Christmas Party.

 

[NewfieFan]

Which would folks rather have: fewer fireworks shells or increased prices (ticket, food, merchandise, etc)? Of course, the easy answer is "neither" - but in the current economic climate, that's not realistic.

My personal choice for cost saving would be to do away with free dining, but that's just me.

Actually, cutting the free dining would probably lose them money! Free dining is a promotion just like any other promotion during a slow time(reduced room rates, ticket add-ons etc.). If people think its a good deal than they book, and if they book than the rooms are filled - Disney makes money! Disney is not stupid... they know if their rooms are filled they are making money. They'd rather give me a couple free meals and than have me spend money in the parks than not have me there at all!!! Free dining makes them money, that's why they do it - simple!

But nobody likes cutbacks! And is there any area in Disney where they could cut and we would all be happy!?! I'm sure there is a bean counter somewhere who's trying to figure it all out.

 

[djkidkaz]

Actually, cutting the free dining would probably lose them money! Free dining is a promotion just like any other promotion during a slow time(reduced room rates, ticket add-ons etc.). If people think its a good deal than they book, and if they book than the rooms are filled - Disney makes money! Disney is not stupid... they know if their rooms are filled they are making money. They'd rather give me a couple free meals and than have me spend money in the parks than not have me there at all!!! Free dining makes them money, that's why they do it - simple!

But nobody likes cutbacks! And is there any area in Disney where they could cut and we would all be happy!?! I'm sure there is a bean counter somewhere who's trying to figure it all out.

Free dining isn't free since you have to pay rack rate on room.

 

[PKD]

But nobody likes cutbacks! And is there any area in Disney where they could cut and we would all be happy!?! I'm sure there is a bean counter somewhere who's trying to figure it all out.

More cuts might be down the line...

10/4/08's MNSSHP was the busiest they have had this year so far. At the previous parties, you could walk through areas of the park after Fireworks and not seen more then a handful of guest.

 

[sublimesting]

They raised ticket prices all around, including MNSSHP, and made cut backs all around. Business must be pretty slow to do this or Disney is greedy. I choose to think business is really slow. The thing is that sometimes you cost yourself more $ by doing this. For example, the DW and I almost didn't do MNSSHP this year because of the price. Had they kept tix the same they may attract more people to make up for it and increase profits. Like if you charge $8 for a haunted house you get 100 people to come. Raise it to $10 and lose 30 guests, you've lost money. So I hope Disney doen't get carried away with raising fees and making cuts.
As for Free Dining, this costs them virtually nothing. We look at it as they are losing roughly $50/day/guest that they could have charged for but in reality food is VERY cheap. Those meals we pay $50 for probably cost Disney $6 or so. They by far make that back if each person buys one balloon!

 

[Lucky]

Free dining costs Disney more than that. Labor costs are always a big part of running a restaurant. Some restaurants are run by other companies and Disney pays them much more than $6 when a guest eats there on free DDP.

But your more general point is true that discounting stuff is sometimes profitable, and cutting costs sometimes isn't profitable.

 

[plutoismyhero]

ok i call shenanigans, i really don't like fireworks or parades for that matter and i love the halloween fireworks and parade please say they didnt cut anything from the parade i have already cried twice while reading this post.

 

[devoy1701]

ok i call shenanigans, i really don't like fireworks or parades for that matter and i love the halloween fireworks and parade please say they didnt cut anything from the parade i have already cried twice while reading this post.

may I ask what parts of this thread made you cry???

sorry...I just like to pry. :lookaroun

btw...has anyone else started a bi-weekly trend of writing letters to WDW Guest Relations to express disappointment about something they've done recently?

I know that my emails alone won't change anything they do...but maybe if enough people are writing to them...

 

[NewfieFan]

Free dining isn't free since you have to pay rack rate on room.

I know that! My point was that if people think it's a good deal than people book (I stated that). And obviously people think its a good deal b/c people take advantage of the promotion! They've had it a few years in a row now and they have bounce-back promotions again for next year. I don't think Disney would be doing it if they were losing money on it!

Anyways, that is not the point of this thread - it's about cutbacks! And Disney won't be saving money by canceling the free dining... at least not yet!

(Oh btw, the bounce-back is for $58 a night, free dining included, at a value - is that rack rate for that time of year? I honestly do not know what the rack rate is for Aug./Sept.)

 

[utrythinkinof1]

What a shame. I'm going to be seeing Wishes for the first time in April and now it probably won't be the original version.