Prince-1
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Consumer did.I don’t buy into this conspiracy theory either. Who makes up this nonsense?
Consumer did.I don’t buy into this conspiracy theory either. Who makes up this nonsense?
I love HoP but capacity probably would benefit from being shorter, a 15 minute show would probably get twice as many guests in a day as the current show. Easier to convince people to wait 10 minutes rather than 20 minutes and also easier to convince them to sacrifice 30 minutes of their day for a queue/ride rather than 45 minutes. I just want it to survive, if cutting the current Presidents speech and a few more minutes of show accomplishes that I’m for it.I think there’s something to be said about the length of the Hall of Presidents show and how that negatively affects capacity. 25 minutes is a long time for a theme park show, especially in a world where they cut down Bears & Tiki Room. Progress can likely get away with it because it loads more people every 5 minutes, so you never have to wait long for the next show.
I don't buy into this conspiracy theory.
'To Honor America' removalI don’t buy into this conspiracy theory either. Who makes up this nonsense?
'To Honor America' removal
Splash Mountain removal
The Muppets Present... Great Moments in American History removal
Frontierland Shootin' Arcade removal
Rivers of America removal
Jungle Cruise alterations
Pirates of the Caribbean alterations
Country Bear Jamboree alterations
Mickey Avenue rumor
No American flag bunting on Main Street USA at Disneyland
No Disneyland dedication speech in 2022
No, Disney has not altered their parks to appease woke ideology whatsoever. Anyone saying so is a conspiracy theorist.
Excuses. The Stories Matter Initiative is a very real thing.I’ll bite.
Altering the finale of MSEP was a way to add new IP to a parade that hasn’t been updated since the 70s.
Great Moments in American History was removed as part of larger budget cuts. Not because people were offended by Miss Piggy as Paul Revere.
Rivers of America is underutilized capacity being replaced with 2 rides based on a popular IP. It’s not leaving because of Woke, it’s because it’s not optimal usage of space.
Alternations to Jungle Cruise and Pirates are not targeting Americana.
Mickey Avenue in the U.S. is a rumor that never had any validation from a credible source.
Budget cuts likely hit the American Flag bunting on MS as well as the dedication speech. Not “wokeness.” They still use Walt’s dedication speech and celebrate American holidays.
Excuses. The Stories Matter Initiative is a very real thing.
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Disney, Built on Fairy Tales and Fantasy, Confronts the Real World
The entertainment behemoth spent decades avoiding even the whiff of controversy. But it has increasingly been drawn into the partisan political fray.www.nytimes.com
I’m glad you agree. So maybe you can stop making up nonsense now.'To Honor America' removal
Splash Mountain removal
The Muppets Present... Great Moments in American History removal
Frontierland Shootin' Arcade removal
Rivers of America removal
Jungle Cruise alterations
Pirates of the Caribbean alterations
Country Bear Jamboree alterations
Peter Pan alterations
Tinkerbell Meet n Greet cut
Mickey Avenue rumor
No American flag bunting on Main Street USA at Disneyland
No Disneyland dedication speech in 2022
No, Disney has not altered their parks to appease woke ideology whatsoever. Anyone saying so is a conspiracy theorist.
Replaced by another American setting.Splash Mountain removal
The fact that they had added it during this supposed time of uber wokeness doesn't count?The Muppets Present... Great Moments in American History removal
Replaced by an American setting for DVCers.Frontierland Shootin' Arcade removal
Replaced by a ride whose backdrop is a take on American National Parks and an IP whose first movie was pure Americana.Rivers of America removal
That's not Disney getting rid of America, now, is it.Jungle Cruise alterations
Pirates of the Caribbean alterations
Country Bear Jamboree alterations
Peter Pan alterations
Tinkerbell Meet n Greet cut
LOL. You admit so much of this is rumor.Mickey Avenue rumor
In recent years, Burbank has relied heavily on the sensitivity industry with it's experts and consultants to identify every tiny problematic historic issue that the company has on display.Excuses. The Stories Matter Initiative is a very real thing.
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Disney, Built on Fairy Tales and Fantasy, Confronts the Real World
The entertainment behemoth spent decades avoiding even the whiff of controversy. But it has increasingly been drawn into the partisan political fray.www.nytimes.com
There is some kind of trend going on here. What this means and why, however, is up for debate IMO. Calling it nonsense and/or conspiracy seems dismissive though.'To Honor America' removal
Splash Mountain removal
The Muppets Present... Great Moments in American History removal
Frontierland Shootin' Arcade removal
Rivers of America removal
Jungle Cruise alterations
Pirates of the Caribbean alterations
Country Bear Jamboree alterations
Peter Pan alterations
Tinkerbell Meet n Greet cut
Mickey Avenue rumor
No American flag bunting on Main Street USA at Disneyland
No Disneyland dedication speech in 2022
No, Disney has not altered their parks to appease woke ideology whatsoever. Anyone saying so is a conspiracy theorist.
The most hilarious one was that Dr. Facilier was identified as insensitive by these experts! This is why Tiana's was not allowed to have this awesome villian in the ride!! I laughed hard at that one.
Source?The most hilarious one was that Dr. Facilier was identified as insensitive by these experts! This is why Tiana's was not allowed to have this awesome villian in the ride!! I laughed hard at that one.
Tian's creators?..."That" team pushed the idology way too far.Which is why he’s listed as one of the villains that inspired MK’s villains land! And why he keeps showing up at Halloween events!![]()
Did they not just install paintings by George bush in the American Adventure??? if Disney is so “woke” for you why are you giving them money and wasting your life discussing them on an Disney fan board?'To Honor America' removal
Splash Mountain removal
The Muppets Present... Great Moments in American History removal
Frontierland Shootin' Arcade removal
Rivers of America removal
Jungle Cruise alterations
Pirates of the Caribbean alterations
Country Bear Jamboree alterations
Peter Pan alterations
Tinkerbell Meet n Greet cut
Mickey Avenue rumor
No American flag bunting on Main Street USA at Disneyland
No Disneyland dedication speech in 2022
No, Disney has not altered their parks to appease woke ideology whatsoever. Anyone saying so is a conspiracy theorist.
I don't.Did they not just install paintings by George bush in the American Adventure??? if Disney is so “woke” for you why are you giving them money and wasting your life discussing them on an Disney fan board?
If you can’t even identify the trend, the theory lacks substance.There is some kind of trend going on here. What this means and why, however, is up for debate IMO. Calling it nonsense and/or conspiracy seems dismissive though.
Well, some identified what they see as the trend, and others have attempted to dispute it. I think that is all fair game, and a conversation/debate to have for those that want to be involved in it...as long as it doesn't break forum rules.If you can’t even identify the trend, the theory lacks substance.
Don’t you think it goes too far when someone states a rumor that never came to fruition and then attributes it to a particular ideology? How do you know it wasn’t something simply made up?Well, some identified what they see as the trend, and others have attempted to dispute it. I think that is all fair game, and a conversation/debate to have for those that want to be involved in it...as long as it doesn't break forum rules.
I definitely agree. I don't mind long shows because I visit frequently so it isn't "costing" me time to experience something else. However, back in the day when I tried to maximize rides per day, I would avoid things like Universe of Energy because it was sooooooo looooooooong.I love HoP but capacity probably would benefit from being shorter, a 15 minute show would probably get twice as many guests in a day as the current show. Easier to convince people to wait 10 minutes rather than 20 minutes and also easier to convince them to sacrifice 30 minutes of their day for a queue/ride rather than 45 minutes. I just want it to survive, if cutting the current Presidents speech and a few more minutes of show accomplishes that I’m for it.
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