Guests at Pools

[BigRedDad]

The difference between assumption and legality are 2 completely different issues.

On Dictionary.com, the definition of guest "3. a person who patronizes a hotel, restaurant, etc. for the lodging, food, or entertainment it provides." Based on that definition and pretty much what I assumed the definition of guest, I am permitted.

What I find most troublesome are the people that go on vacation and become the Walt Disney World Police. It must be the most miserable of vacations ever. Reminds me of Judge Smail's wife yelling at the pool.

In the end, the number of people using/abusing it is so small it is not even funny. I can pretty much guarantee that we have never been questioned in all of our stays at WDW. We don't abuse it. We go have a dinner at a resort, have a drink at the bar, and DD jumps in the pool for 10 minutes. If they ever asked that she get out, it would not be a problem because she would be done by then anyway. Like I said before, Disney could stop it instantly. They can make resort specific Magicbands. It would be a resort requirement to wear it while in the pool. You could instantly see who was can use it and who cannot.

 

[21stamps]

The difference between assumption and legality are 2 completely different issues.

On Dictionary.com, the definition of guest "3. a person who patronizes a hotel, restaurant, etc. for the lodging, food, or entertainment it provides." Based on that definition and pretty much what I assumed the definition of guest, I am permitted.

What I find most troublesome are the people that go on vacation and become the Walt Disney World Police. It must be the most miserable of vacations ever. Reminds me of Judge Smail's wife yelling at the pool.

In the end, the number of people using/abusing it is so small it is not even funny. I can pretty much guarantee that we have never been questioned in all of our stays at WDW. We don't abuse it. We go have a dinner at a resort, have a drink at the bar, and DD jumps in the pool for 10 minutes. If they ever asked that she get out, it would not be a problem because she would be done by then anyway. Like I said before, Disney could stop it instantly. They can make resort specific Magicbands. It would be a resort requirement to wear it while in the pool. You could instantly see who was can use it and who cannot.

This is why people get annoyed.

The rules are clearly stated in visible letters, but somehow that isn't good enough for some. You justify breaking rules by saying "Disney could stop it". A sign SHOULD be enough. They don't need the wasted expense of resort specific magic bands.. Adults should just be able to follow simple visible rules.

Once again, this isn't a Disney exclusive thing. Most hotels have restaurants that the public can use. Those same hotels also have signage that pools are for hotel guests. Those same hotels will ask you to leave if you are caught ignoring the signs, and swimming in their pool.

My car allows me to drive to 140mph if I wanted to. If I do so- and get pulled over for reckless driving as a result, do I tell the police officer to blame the car company- because no one physically restricted me from doing so? No. There was a visible sign that says the speed limit is 65mph.

I'm sorry, but you've given horrible juvenile excuses. Reasons like those ruin things for everyone else.
You know it's wrong, you don't care, as long as something benefits you. This is why CMs now walk around scanning bands randomly... because grown adults insist on being selfish, entitled, and looking for any way to buck a system...and teaching their kids to do the same. Awesome. What a bright future we have.

 

[RustySpork]

This is why people get annoyed.

The rules are clearly stated in visible letters, but somehow that isn't good enough for some. You justify breaking rules by saying "Disney could stop it". A sign SHOULD be enough. They don't need the wasted expense of resort specific magic bands.. Adults should just be able to follow simple visible rules.

Once again, this isn't a Disney exclusive thing. Most hotels have restaurants that the public can use. Those same hotels also have signage that pools are for hotel guests. Those same hotels will ask you to leave if you are caught ignoring the signs, and swimming in their pool.

My car allows me to drive to 140mph if I wanted to. If I do so- and get pulled over for reckless driving as a result, do I tell the police officer to blame the car company- because no one physically restricted me from doing so? No. There was a visible sign that says the speed limit is 65mph.

I'm sorry, but you've given horrible juvenile excuses. Reasons like those ruin things for everyone else.
You know it's wrong, you don't care, as long as something benefits you. This is why CMs now walk around scanning bands randomly... because grown adults insist on being selfish, entitled, and looking for any way to buck a system...and teaching their kids to do the same. Awesome. What a bright future we have.

Oh boo hoo.

It's not like these people are stealing anyone's credit cards, it's a damn pool.

 

[Minthorne]

The official Disney stance is they may only look longingly at the pool from behind the fence. Only the rich are allowed to expect everything. If you are just mildly wealthy and staying deluxe but can't afford to buy out the pool for the day then you are just selfish to expect others to share.

/sarcasm off

 

[21stamps]

Oh boo hoo.

It's not like these people are stealing anyone's credit cards, it's a damn pool.

It's a pool that they didn't pay for. Where other people who did pay are swimming and using the chairs. Seriously, the justification and excuses need to stop. It's not just at Disney World. Those same rules apply anywhere. Do you do the same everywhere else?
If you eat dinner at a restaurant located in a hotel, do you jump in their pool too?
If you go play mini golf at Great Wolf Lodge, are you now entitled to use their waterpark?

I actually just witnessed someone get kicked out of there.. I felt horrible for the kids- 2 boys looked to be maybe 8 & 12. Security sat with them until their parents came back from whatever slide they were on..and escorted them out. What kind of parent puts their child in that position? The kids looked humiliated.

 

[BigRedDad]

This is why people get annoyed.

Annoyed at what? The signs CLEARLY state that it is exclusive for guests at the resort. If I am a guest, I am a guest. I guarantee you I am not a resident which makes me 100% a guest.

If you get annoyed with it, get out of whatever protest you are currently on, make your placard, go to the resort, protest out front that Walt Disney World needs safe places for those that are afflicted with "High Aversion to Annoyance". Get your GAC and let the entire Disney world know how upset and annoyed you are. That will definitely get WDW to change the legalities of their own rules.

 

[21stamps]

The official Disney stance is they may only look longingly at the pool from behind the fence. Only the rich are allowed to expect everything. If you are just mildly wealthy and staying deluxe but can't afford to buy out the pool for the day then you are just selfish to expect others to share.

/sarcasm off

It has nothing to do with staying at a deluxe. As I said, my kid absolutely adores the Volcano pool and the included slide. When we were at GF- guess what, we didn't use Poly's pool. He asked, I told him the rules, conversation over.
Even a 6 year old could accept what a rule is, yet somehow adults can't.

 

[21stamps]

Annoyed at what? The signs CLEARLY state that it is exclusive for guests at the resort. If I am a guest, I am a guest. I guarantee you I am not a resident which makes me 100% a guest.

If you get annoyed with it, get out of whatever protest you are currently on, make your placard, go to the resort, protest out front that Walt Disney World needs safe places for those that are afflicted with "High Aversion to Annoyance". Get your GAC and let the entire Disney world know how upset and annoyed you are. That will definitely get WDW to change the legalities of their own rules.

I'm very curious, Do you do this at any hotel besides Disney?

Do you stay for extra magic hours and holiday parties while not staying on Disney property, because no one has physically removed you yet?

Why would people need to protest a problem that is already addressed? Why wouldn't adults just stop making problems?

 

[BigRedDad]

Yes. If I am have a nice dinner at a hotel, having cocktails at their pool, and legally on the premises, yes. And by the way, never had any issue with our daughter jumping in the pool for a few minutes. Not even that old guy with black socks, flip flops, flashlight, and night stick, and blue police light blinking on his hat with the crotchety voice saying to get out.

 

[RustySpork]

It's a pool that they didn't pay for. Where other people who did pay are swimming and using the chairs. Seriously, the justification and excuses need to stop. It's not just at Disney World. Those same rules apply anywhere. Do you do the same everywhere else?
If you eat dinner at a restaurant located in a hotel, do you jump in their pool too?
If you go play mini golf at Great Wolf Lodge, are you now entitled to use their waterpark?

I actually just witnessed someone get kicked out of there.. I felt horrible for the kids- 2 boys looked to be maybe 8 & 12. Security sat with them until their parents came back from whatever slide they were on..and escorted them out. What kind of parent puts their child in that position? The kids looked humiliated.

The guest of the resort certainly did pay to use the pool. The justification and excuses need to stop? You yourself said that you did the very thing you're now arguing against. You're awesome like that though, because it's OK when you do it.

 

[Minthorne]

It has nothing to do with staying at a deluxe. As I said, my kid absolutely adores the Volcano pool and the included slide. When we were at GF- guess what, we didn't use Poly's pool. He asked, I told him the rules, conversation over.
Even a 6 year old could accept what a rule is, yet somehow adults can't.

Sorry I think you missed the sarcasm tag. My point was - with enough money there are no rules at Disney.

 

[21stamps]

Yes. If I am have a nice dinner at a hotel, having cocktails at their pool, and legally on the premises, yes. And by the way, never had any issue with our daughter jumping in the pool for a few minutes. Not even that old guy with black socks, flip flops, flashlight, and night stick, and blue police light blinking on his hat with the crotchety voice saying to get out.

Wow. You are visiting their premises, yes. You are not a paying guest of whatever hotel it is.
But let's keep looking for any phantom loopholes.

What do you tell your daughter when you do this?

The guest of the resort certainly did pay to use the pool. The justification and excuses need to stop? You yourself said that you did the very thing you're now arguing against. You're awesome like that though, because it's OK when you do it.

What? Here we go into the spin zone... try reading again. A person buying dinner didn't pay for use of the pool. They paid for dinner.

 

[RustySpork]

What? Here we go into the spin zone... try reading again. A person buying dinner didn't pay for use of the pool. They paid for dinner.

Yeah, and I never said anything about someone using the pool and doing that. I've stuck to a guest of a resort guest the whole conversation so the spin is all you.

 

[21stamps]

Sorry I think you missed the sarcasm tag. My point was - with enough money there are no rules at Disney.

Apparently there are no rules anyway..just signs to be interpreted however one wants. Lol

This isn't directed at you..but,
I see sings that say "no running" can I jog then? What about "no diving"..can I do a back flip into the pool? A fence has a sign the say "no climbing" can I sprint and then hop over it?
I mean the sign doesn't specify....

 

[RustySpork]

Sorry I think you missed the sarcasm tag. My point was - with enough money there are no rules at Disney.

This is the correct answer.

 

[RustySpork]

Apparently there are no rules anyway..just signs to be interpreted however one wants. Lol

It was OK when you broke the rules though, right?

 

[21stamps]

It was OK when you broke the rules though, right?

What rules?

 

[Minthorne]

Apparently there are no rules anyway..just signs to be interpreted however one wants. Lol

This isn't directed at you..but,
I see sings that say "no running" can I jog then? What about "no diving"..can I do a back flip into the pool? A fence has a sign the say "no climbing" can I sprint and then hop over it?
I mean the sign doesn't specify....

Yup. You sure can run in non running places - just pay the marathon fee

 

[RustySpork]

What rules?

You've brought guests to the pool, which is in direct violation of the rules on the pool sign sign that specifically states (according to our local Disney Police) that you can't do that.

Let me quote you. "I have had someone visit me on my last 2 trips, both times she was given a key card with her name on it- this allowed room and pool access etc.."

Did your guests pay Disney to use the pool?

 

[21stamps]

You've brought guests to the pool, which is in direct violation of the rules on the pool sign sign that specifically states (according to our local Disney Police) that you can't do that.

Let me quote you. "I have had someone visit me on my last 2 trips, both times she was given a key card with her name on it- this allowed room and pool access etc.."

Did your guests pay Disney to use the pool?

Both were registered guests, added to my reservation. Therefore- guests of the resort, same as me. Parking pass, key card, emh, etc.. one more time- REGISTERED GUEST of the resort.