Guardians Tower announcement Saturday in SD ...

[brb1006]

It's official UNI wins the Internet today

What did it say?

 

[FigmentJedi]

 

[brb1006]

 

[tirian]

This guy was trolling me for a while too, but I have to admit he's almost got a point here.

In DL, the monorail practically passes through Fantasyland, but it's only because the Matterhorn was originally part of Tomorrowland. That doesn't mean it's right to imitate this misstep in newer projects.

Don't bother arguing with the Orange Bird, he's a pretty insufferable member here. He simply MUST always be right and everyone else simply MUST be an agenda pusher. For what its worth, I agree with you. The monorail doesn't not circle the Matterhorn. Anyone who truly believes that has a seriously loose screw.

I'm not familiar with their posts, but the point was entirely missed , and it actually related to the topic at hand. It got ridiculous. Really the monorail's path is irrelevant to the argument about the Red Car Trolley, and even I forgot that when pointlessly arguing about where the Monorail exactly passes and where it doesn't. LOL.

 

[Californian Elitist]

This guy was trolling me for a while too, but I have to admit he's almost got a point here.

In DL, the monorail practically passes through Fantasyland, but it's only because the Matterhorn was originally part of Tomorrowland. That doesn't mean it's right to imitate this misstep in newer projects.

LOL I wouldn't say he was trolling me, just a meaningless debate going on.

The path of the Monorail is moot in regards to the real point, but I never said the Monorail doesn't pass through Fantasyland.

 

[peter11435]

Well the matterhorn is about 600ft around... and the monorail takes almost 2.5 miles get 'around' it because the monorail is a LOOP and since the matterhorn is inside the loop... it goes 'around' it like everything else that is inside the loop. But we really don't say the monorail goes 'around' things like Soarin.. even though technically it does because it goes both in front and behind the building (inside the loop).. (and actually is a tighter circle around Soarin than the matterhorn )

You know the Matterhorn track actually passes under the monorail beam twice..

 

[tirian]

LOL I wouldn't say he was trolling me, just a meaningless debate going on.

The path of the Monorail is moot in regards to the real point, but I never said the Monorail doesn't pass through Fantasyland.

I understand.

In a way, I feel like the GOTG Tower will further exacerbate DCA's "big elephant" problem. Because of the way the lands are situated, no matter what, they bleed into one another and destroy the illusion that you're in another world. Carsland comes closest to the DL-style immersion.

Then again, WDI built Tangled Tower looming over the Haunted Mansion. Should we honestly expect better from this group of Imagineers?

 

[Californian Elitist]

Should we honestly expect better from this group of Imagineers?

At this point, no, probably not. And really, passing by the new Tower while riding the Red Car Trolley is the least of my concerns. I was just trying to make a point haha.

 

[FigmentJedi]

I understand.

In a way, I feel like the GOTG Tower will further exacerbate DCA's "big elephant" problem. Because of the way the lands are situated, no matter what, they bleed into one another and destroy the illusion that you're in another world. Carsland comes closest to the DL-style immersion.

I think merging Condor Flats into the Grizzly Peak area helped the situation a little as well. The Desert Airfield concept never worked all that well with a National Park Lodge and the mountain looming over it.

 

[mmartin046]

Whoa. Can you tell us more about this? This sounds awesome! I would love to know more about the original script and ride system

The original ride system would have allowed for a single free-fall drop with the elevator moving out of the open doors at the top and down through a hidden run-out track, as if it had vanished after exiting the building. The track was the same as Cedar Point's Demon Drop, with guests lying flat on their backs as the car decelerates. The elevator would then right itself and drop again to an unload track. Guests would see an AA Rod Serling at the end as he delivered his spiel. The script, dated 1991, hits the same beats as the current attraction. There are interesting show scene differences. After we see the ghostly hotel guests in the hallway, the elevator doors close and the car travels up a floor, opening to a hallway identical to the last. The walls of the hotel distort and become transparent, revealing the Twilight Zone starfield. The elevator begins moving through the starfield, toward a materializing door of light. The door opens to an image of our elevator car. The image stretches, distorts, and drops out of sight. Our car drops. Out of a starfield we see another door of light; it opens and the familiar Twilight Zone icons (manikin, math formula, window) float out and pass through our elevator door frame. The last icon is an eye. As the eye moves closer toward us, we see in its pupil our elevator car. Our image distorts; the eye closes and floats away. The doors of light close. We see our elevator car. The image flips around, shatters, and the shards are sucked into "a swirling cloud of light and shadow." The Twilight Zone icons are thrown from this vortex, stretching and distorting along the way. Our car image flies out of the vortex; it stretches and zooms upward. Our car ascends the shaft, reaches the top, exits the shaft, drops.

Even with a script and storyboard arrangement, this sequence of events is pretty confusing, which I guess is the point.

 

[zakattack99]

What did it say? Deleted now.

See @Tatu post #1225 on this page =)

 

[andre85]

The original ride system would have allowed for a single free-fall drop with the elevator moving out of the open doors at the top and down through a hidden run-out track, as if it had vanished after exiting the building. The track was the same as Cedar Point's Demon Drop, with guests lying flat on their backs as the car decelerates. The elevator would then right itself and drop again to an unload track. Guests would see an AA Rod Serling at the end as he delivered his spiel. The script, dated 1991, hits the same beats as the current attraction. There are interesting show scene differences. After we see the ghostly hotel guests in the hallway, the elevator doors close and the car travels up a floor, opening to a hallway identical to the last. The walls of the hotel distort and become transparent, revealing the Twilight Zone starfield. The elevator begins moving through the starfield, toward a materializing door of light. The door opens to an image of our elevator car. The image stretches, distorts, and drops out of sight. Our car drops. Out of a starfield we see another door of light; it opens and the familiar Twilight Zone icons (manikin, math formula, window) float out and pass through our elevator door frame. The last icon is an eye. As the eye moves closer toward us, we see in its pupil our elevator car. Our image distorts; the eye closes and floats away. The doors of light close. We see our elevator car. The image flips around, shatters, and the shards are sucked into "a swirling cloud of light and shadow." The Twilight Zone icons are thrown from this vortex, stretching and distorting along the way. Our car image flies out of the vortex; it stretches and zooms upward. Our car ascends the shaft, reaches the top, exits the shaft, drops.

Even with a script and storyboard arrangement, this sequence of events is pretty confusing, which I guess is the point.

Ha, confusing indeed! Very interesting though; thanks for writing that up!

 

[truecoat]

This new ride will have a great deal of interactivity. I'm excited about that.

 

[choco choco]

I am absolutely not an expert on Disneyland, but is it even possible for them to add per se, even if they wanted to? My understanding is that, with a few exceptions, their footprint is fully built and anything new they get in the future will need to replace something old.

It is difficult to add stuff to Disneyland. TP2000's statement :

Star Wars Land adds 14 acres of previously unused space and adds two E Tickets to Disneyland"

is entirely incorrect, as space that was used as valuable back of the house and about 1/3 of an existing attraction cannot be considered - under any definition of the word - "unused." Of course, Star Wars space is in fact replacing something old - as it is replacing parts of Rivers of America - for something new.

But back to the current point. Disneyland can logistically only grow west, into land that is currently asphalt parking lots. Again, if they were hell-bent on glomming Star Wars land to Disneyland (Mistake #1), this parking lot was their smartest choice. That way, if future generations wanted to expand another land into Disneyland, they could ring entrances to each land around the Rivers of America (kind of like how Hong Kong Disneyland designed multiple lands around their big river).

Instead, TDA/Burbank/Idiot Planner decided to cut off all expansion by having Star Wars land and their show buildings take up the entire distance between Critter Country and Big Thunder Ranch, thereby cutting off the ability for any future lands to be accessed off a central route (Mistake #2). They then announced the west lot would be taken up by a gargantuan hotel, thus taking the land that could have been Disneyland's (Mistake #3). And then they announced the building of an undersized parking structure on the Sybron/Pumbaa lot, instead of considering turning car access for the entire resort around and having all day parking concentrated in Sybron/Pumbaa. Since that plot abuts the 5 Freeway, all cars could then come directly on and off the freeway without having to navigate side streets like they currently do (Mistake #4). In addition, having that lot maximally built out now will save money in the future, because it will be ready-made for when they open a 3rd gate (Pumbaa is the only lot that has easy access to the Strawberry Field site) and clears the way for a Mickey and Friends demolition, which would have given Disneyland further expansion room if they had gone with a "Lands' Branched Around Rivers Of America" site plan.

But no: in a single, ill-conceived stroke, Iger managed to take out a pretty historical part of the current Disneyland and simultaneously block any ability for his successors to add on without exorbitant cost (essentially, leveling Star Wars land sometime in the future), despite the fact that a good masterplan could have avoided both. He's not a very bright one, that guy.

 

[The_Jobu]

The monorail doesn't not circle the Matterhorn.

Not sure if typo or being sneaky...

 

[Donaldfan1934]

Is there a rule that you can't have blue lights on two different attractions? I forgot that rule in my Imagineering handbook.

You're completely missing the point. The aesthetics of both attractions are virtually identical.

 

[RSoxNo1]

I'm guessing it's all in here?

I don't think I've seen this one yet actually.

When it comes to best themed land in the country it's easily Diagon Alley. Animal Kingdom's Africa is another one I've seen tossed around here, was that you?

That might change next year with Avatar and then again with Star Wars.

Yes, I'm largely in the "Team Africa" camp with my primary argument being a better attraction lineup. Both Diagon and Africa are phenomenal, but I find that I spend more time in Africa than I do Diagon Alley.

 

[Variable]

And I believe that users point stands. Obviously not in the case of the castle. But certainly in the case of the Matterhorn. I don't see how you can say the Matterhorn and monorail are any less connected than tower and the trolley. In both cases we are talking about two different attractions with different themes existing within the same themed area.

Careful, she'll put you on ignore and call upon her friends to rally. To them, you're trolling now because you dare to challenge her silly objection. As I pointed out, even the video says "circle tour." Its ok for them to speak in inexact terms, it not ok for the likes of you or I to use common language and descriptions of the physical world "circles around" "runs in front of". No, we must be very precise and exacting, but not her and her pals. If she says something Is, and you prove it Isn't, then you're trolling her, being mean. They will likely call for you to be ignored by everyone. In many ways, they're quite the bullies.

 

[RSoxNo1]

I understand.

In a way, I feel like the GOTG Tower will further exacerbate DCA's "big elephant" problem. Because of the way the lands are situated, no matter what, they bleed into one another and destroy the illusion that you're in another world. Carsland comes closest to the DL-style immersion.

Then again, WDI built Tangled Tower looming over the Haunted Mansion. Should we honestly expect better from this group of Imagineers?

When all else fails, blame Chris Beatty and Bruce Vaughn.

 

[jensenrick]

My question is, would Disney even be touching ToT if they did not have plans to basically transform Hollywood Land into a Marvel area? I'm assuming the answer is probably no, but then again, Disney loves making stupid decisions and I can see them going with this idea, whether there were plans to mesh the land or not.

I really hope they do end up with a Marvel Land in DCA, and with they speed they build, that I'll live to see it.
Then we could finally (one way or another) put to REST the idea that Disney would do something "amazing" with the IP in Otown, if only they could wrestle it from UOR. I'd like to put money on whose Marvel land would be "better", and my money isn't leaning Disney's way.