Guardians of the Galaxy Mission Breakout announced for Disney California Adventure

[Disney Analyst]

I wasn't referring to the Trolley itself. But since the Monorail has been brought up, I will say that it's not themed to a specific place during a specific time, like the Red Car Trolley is.

My comment was "speaking" in broader terms. The trolley represents Hollywood Land as a whole, and now we will have a ride themed to something completely unrelated going there.

There's no way to spin that, and bringing up the Monorail doesn't make the situation any better.

I think if it's travelling past on it's way to a destination that I'm fine with it. If they were to park the trolley there as a prop then sure, issue... but I personally have no issue with the trolley passing the soon to be marvel area. As well as I have no issue with a futuristic looking monorail zipping past the the Matterhorn.. I was just trying to emphasize that these breeches exist elsewhere and are forgiven.

My only counter is I truly think the monorail is themed specifically to tomorrowland and was originally introduced as a tomorrowland attraction.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Something will need to done about the Red Car. Even if much of Hollywood is converted to Marvel, I don’t see Disney getting rid of a recent and expensive addition like this. Maybe re-routing it is possible.

I was thinking the same thing. Can't see them getting rid of it, since it's not that old, but I definitely see a re-route in its future. It makes sense and it wouldn't be a big deal.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

In some other thread we'd mentioned the Horse-Drawn Streetcars and all the Main Street Vehicles, that look adorable on Main Street USA.

And then for 25% of their route they circle the Hub and Walt had them go past Monsanto plastic houses and Bavarian castles and Oregon Trail log forts and wacky-bizarro polynesian tiki torches with giant elephant tusks (there's no elephants in Polynesia). But it works.

The Red Car Trolley going past steampunk Guardians for 30 yards will be fine and the concept of Disney themed entertainment will survive.

Personally, I think the Trolley going right past 1990's industrial stucco box theater is a worse theme mistake. Just cheap and ugly, and a much bigger problem than a steampunk drop ride.

That's the thing, right? Does the red car trolley look out of place passing a Guardians of The Galaxy themed building? Yep, but so did aerial cable cars passing through a fake Swiss mountain. It's not like these bizarre juxtapositions are uncommon at Disney Parks.

Assuming that some kind of Marvel storyline will eventually take over that area I'm not too worried about it in the long term.

 

[Californian Elitist]

I think if it's travelling past on it's way to a destination that I'm fine with it. If they were to park the trolley there as a prop then sure, issue... but I personally have no issue with the trolley passing the soon to be marvel area. As well as I have no issue with a futuristic looking monorail zipping past the the Matterhorn.. I was just trying to emphasize that these breeches exist elsewhere and are forgiven.

My only counter is I truly think the monorail is themed specifically to tomorrowland and was originally introduced as a tomorrowland attraction.

The Trolley is definitely the least of my concern. Gotta look at the bigger issue here. I guess the Trolley is part of the bigger picture, but you know what I mean. Lol.

I still don't think the Monorail and Red Car Trolley can compare. One of them definitely has a more obvious theme going on with it, while the other is really just a means of travel.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

Good grief. How can anyone come here with a straight face and claim that the Disneyland Monorail is just a means of travel without any correlation to the theme of Tomorrowland? If that's true then I guess there should be no outcry if Disney decides to loop the track across the park and plop a Monorail station in the middle of Frontierland.

 

[brb1006]

CONCEPT ART: Cast Costumes Revealed for Guardians of the Galaxy: Mission Breakout Attraction

 

[Deleted member 107043]

I'm picking up a strong Discoveryland vibe from those costumes.

 

[SSG]

Where could they re-route the trolley though? I can't think of any possible route, although I would completely support this.

Here's the route. Tough to find space unless a big chunk of Hollywood is axed.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

Maybe go the opposite direction to Paradise Pier?

Considering how so many Marvel comics are set in urban areas seems like the trolley fits fine where it is.

 

[truecoat]

Personally I would like to see all of Hollywood Land completely gutted, except for BVS, obviously. If they are going to do this Marvel area, they might as well do it right and not have it squeezed into Hollywood where it really doesn't belong. It would also finally rid the park of the remaining "on the cheap" DCA 1.0 aesthetics.

Where could they re-route the trolley though? I can't think of any possible route, although I would completely support this.

Get rid of Bugsland and push on through.

 

[yookeroo]

No matter what your opinion is on ToT, we can all agree that this is terrible, right?View attachment 182840

When I first saw this post, I couldn't figure out what the problem was. There are theme clashes galore in all the parks. Starting with a giant fairy tale castle at the end of Main Street USA.

 

[Curious Constance]

They could always have the Newsie boys be Marvel characters hanging out of the trolley to try and connect the themes a bit. Purely for theming's sake, not for any sick fantasies or anything like that! God!

 

[SpaceMountain75]

When I first saw this post, I couldn't figure out what the problem was. There are theme clashes galore in all the parks. Starting with a giant fairy tale castle at the end of Main Street USA.

I guess it's just a combination of the stark contrast between the only thing not Hollywood-themed and the trolley, plus the local amusement park-esque graffiti on the poster.

 

[dweezil78]

Nope. Main Street USA represents Walt Disney's humble beginnings, and Sleeping Beauty Castle is the visual realization of his ultimate dream.

I think you're mixing up symbolism with non-clashing theming. Without any context or background, it's still a European inspired fantasy castle at the end of an old American street. Disney has a knack for coming up with ridiculous backstories as to how/why things fit in where they are... (like a snow covered beach in Florida for example). Doesn't necessarily make them any more right or wrong though!

 

[Californian Elitist]

The lands are their own separate realms. "The castle at the end of Main Street" argument would be more valid to me if it was actually part of Main Street. The castle is of Fantasyland, just like unique entrances to the other realms (lands).

And technically the castle isn't at the end of Main Street, the Partners statue, or the hub is. The hub is where the lands are split off. Walking straight down Main Street, passing the hub and keeping straight, you're already in the Fantasyland territory. One can see the entrances to all the lands from the hub... Doesn't mean it's a clash of theme.

It's not about being able to see a piece of another land from somewhere else. That's been a thing since day one. The problem is the complete lack of cohesion once this attraction opens. It's going to be located in an area that doesn't work, theme-wise. I shouldn't have to explain why a ride based on Guardians of the Galaxy doesn't thematically work in a land that is themed to early 20th-century Hollywood. It's quite obvious.

If fans are okay with this stark contrast, what's the point of having themed lands? People keep asking about that Mary Poppins ride... Why not put it in Tomorrowland, or New Orleans Square? People love to hate on USH for the park's lack of distinct areas, but for the ones that are, at least they keep it correct to theme. There is nothing intruding the respective themes inside the Potter, Simpson, and Despicable quarters.

Again, the "castle at the end of Main Street" argument just doesn't work in this case. If SBC was considered part of Main Street and its attractions, it would. SBC is thematically fine in its respective land, unlike Mission Breakout!.

 

[SpaceMountain75]

This is pretty funny:

 

[dweezil78]

The lands are their own separate realms. "The castle at the end of Main Street" argument would be more valid to me if it was actually part of Main Street. The castle is of Fantasyland, just like unique entrances to the other realms (lands).

And technically the castle isn't at the end of Main Street, the Partners statue, or the hub is. The hub is where the lands are split off. Walking straight down Main Street, passing the hub and keeping straight, you're already in the Fantasyland territory. One can see the entrances to all the lands from the hub... Doesn't mean it's a clash of theme.

It's not about being able to see a piece of another land from somewhere else. That's been a thing since day one. The problem is the complete lack of cohesion once this attraction opens. It's going to be located in an area that doesn't work, theme-wise. I shouldn't have to explain why a ride based on Guardians of the Galaxy doesn't thematically work in a land that is themed to early 20th-century Hollywood. It's quite obvious.

If fans are okay with this stark contrast, what's the point of having themed lands? People keep asking about that Mary Poppins ride... Why not put it in Tomorrowland, or New Orleans Square? People love to hate on USH for the park's lack of distinct areas, but for the ones that are, at least they keep it correct to theme. There is nothing intruding the respective themes inside the Potter, Simpson, and Despicable quarters.

Again, the "castle at the end of Main Street" argument just doesn't work in this case. If SBC was considered part of Main Street and its attractions, it would. SBC is thematically fine in its respective land, unlike Mission Breakout!.

Hey.. I'm not defending bad design or placement! I was just replying to the comment about what the castle represents vs. where it resides. I personally think the new tower is going to look tacky as heck where it is!

 

[Earl Sweatpants]

CONCEPT ART: Cast Costumes Revealed for Guardians of the Galaxy: Mission Breakout Attraction

Is the concept too for female cast members to look like Scarlett Johansson?

 

[Magenta Panther]

Okay, so folks here are saying that guests understood the Tower of Terror without seeing Twilight Zone, and Indiana Jones without seeing the Indy movies, and therefore they should surely understand and enjoy the Guardian makeover.

Yeah, but see, the Tower ride concept was based on the trope of the haunted building, something people of all generations and all cultures can understand.

And Indy is based on the trope of the treasure-hunter, something people of all generations and all cultures can understand.

Whereas the Guardians makeover involves the trope of....well, I'm not sure there IS a trope there, but anyway, it's about a trigger-happy raccoon, a talking tree, and whatever getting captured by some bad guy and we're supposed to help them escape. But why should anyone who hasn't seen the movie care?

 

[Earl Sweatpants]

Okay, so folks here are saying that guests understood the Tower of Terror without seeing Twilight Zone, and Indiana Jones without seeing the Indy movies, and therefore they should surely understand and enjoy the Guardian makeover.

Yeah, but see, the Tower ride concept was based on the trope of the haunted building, something people of all generations and all cultures can understand.

And Indy is based on the trope of the treasure-hunter, something people of all generations and all cultures can understand.

Whereas the Guardians makeover involves the trope of....well, I'm not sure there IS a trope there, but anyway, it's about a trigger-happy raccoon, a talking tree, and whatever getting captured by some bad guy and we're supposed to help them escape. But why should anyone who hasn't seen the movie care?

Personally, I don't think they will care. I'd wager that about 80-90% of the people lining up to ride this attraction are only interested in one thing...going up and down real fast.