EPCOT Guardians of the Galaxy Cosmic Rewind attraction confirmed for Epcot

[geekza]

Sure. I agree it was a good ride but my initial point was to counter discuss that it was not the best of all time. Not even close.
Some things don't need empirical evidence. My only point was that it was NO WHERE NEAR THE BEST RIDE OF ALL TIME. Do you need empirical evidence that you went to the bathroom three days ago or is it just a given. I would think the person that said it was the best ride of all time would need empirical evidence. I just countered that point by saying most people don't even know what it is and I go to Disney every year for like 15 years so you can imagine the casual theme park attendee would be even more clueless about it. It's called common sense.
For the last time Horizons was a good ride with a cult following that loves it. I get it. that wasn't my point.

Your claim was that the prevailing opinion was that most people didn't care for it. You made a point of capitalizing THE. You also stated that this is a fact. Both were bold statements that, yes, you should be prepared to back up with empirical evidence. Also, considering that Horizons last operated in 1999, that's nearly twenty years ago. It goes without saying that, if you were to survey WDW guests today, the majority probably won't have even heard of Horizons because they were probably too young to have visited Epcot when it was there. I don't care if you didn't like Horizons. That's fine. Your likes and dislikes are your own and are valid for you. You just made some pretty bold statements that don't appear to be backed up by evidence.

 

[Skibum1970]

Have you seen the last 7-8 years of P&R financial numbers? Profits are a-plentiful. Talk about a red herring...

I agree but my point was that they do have to have a budget to start out. Mind you, I have no idea why their rides cost so much to begin with. I have read that Imagineering charges unbelievable costs back to the company. It would be nice to see some reinvestment of those profits into the parks on a more regular basis.

 

[Timothy_Q]

Do I have the Horizons troll blocked or did his posts all just got deleted?

 

[geekza]

Do I have the Horizons troll blocked or did his posts all just got deleted?

Looks like they're deleted. Yup. He just deleted his posts on this thread. I don't think he was trolling, I just think he was very confident whilst making a bad argument.

 

[HauntedPirate]

I agree but my point was that they do have to have a budget to start out.

They do, and they seem to often be shrunk from the original amount, sadly.

Mind you, I have no idea why their rides cost so much to begin with. I have read that Imagineering charges unbelievable costs back to the company.

A lot of us wonder the same thing, because WDI projects seem to run 2-3x higher than anyone else these day for similar work.

It would be nice to see some reinvestment of those profits into the parks on a more regular basis.

Oh would it ever...

 

[voodoo321]

They do, and they seem to often be shrunk from the original amount, sadly.



A lot of us wonder the same thing, because WDI projects seem to run 2-3x higher than anyone else these day for similar work.



Oh would it ever...

Corporate Money Laundering. It is the only explanation I can come up with. If it was mismanagement do you think we would be the only ones to figure that out over all these years of inflated budgets?

 

[DarleneBurrows]

WDW has a responsibility to be profitable. Thus, rides have budgets and different rides have to be created. 7DMT is a decent small coaster but was stripped down for budgetary reasons. I completely agree that it is a great example but still lament that it could/should have been so much more. I like that it has both coaster sections and a dark ride section but the first layout was significantly longer.
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WDW has always been profitable. It's a shame funds aren't invested back into the parks PROPERLY, instead of going into corporate pockets.

These small pockets of investment they are doing now, should have been carried out nearly a decade ago. I see past the spin in announcing attractions, then having a 4-5 year slow build on a rollercoaster.

 

[peter11435]

These small pockets of investment they are doing now, should have been carried out nearly a decade ago. I see past the spin in announcing attractions, then having a 4-5 year slow build on a rollercoaster.

There’s nothing small about the investment taking place currently.

Also, it’s not like there are 4 years with nothing while guardians is constructed. There are major exapansion/projects every year through 2021. Not to mention pandora just last year.

 

[MisterPenguin]

WDW has always been profitable. It's a shame funds aren't invested back into the parks PROPERLY, instead of going into corporate pockets.

These small pockets of investment they are doing now, should have been carried out nearly a decade ago. I see past the spin in announcing attractions, then having a 4-5 year slow build on a rollercoaster.

There’s nothing small about the investment taking place currently.

Also, it’s not like there are 4 years with nothing while guardians is constructed. There are major exapansion/projects every year through 2021. Not to mention pandora just last year.

Indeed, Disney has put more investment into P&R than the profit they received from P&R for five of the past 9 years.

Now, some of these figures include and then exclude foreign parks and cruise lines. And the investment is spread across some 11 theme parks world wide. But the fact is that WDW has seen major Capex in the billions in the past decade and will continue to get billions more.

Here's @ParentsOf4 's graph of Growth Capex. "Growth Capex" is taking total Capital Expenditure and then subtracting out depreciation so as to get a ball park figure on what was spent on new stuff rather that replace and/or repair...

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And here's the break down of Total Capex v. Growth Capex v. Profit (Operating Revenue, which is Revenue minus Expenses)

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[Skibum1970]

WDW has always been profitable. It's a shame funds aren't invested back into the parks PROPERLY, instead of going into corporate pockets.

These small pockets of investment they are doing now, should have been carried out nearly a decade ago. I see past the spin in announcing attractions, then having a 4-5 year slow build on a rollercoaster.

Technically, the profits go into the company, corporate pockets, and shareholders but it also takes a lot to run the parks, develop new stuff, and plan long-term. Yes, it takes Disney a while to build anything, not just a roller coaster. Avatar's land and rides took forever. MMRR is one of the fastest and even it is taking a solid two years. Their pace is glacial but, since the crowds continue to pack, they have no incentive to do otherwise.

Also, I realize that not everyone likes a roller coaster but I would bet that this coaster and Tron will both be extremely popular. 7DMT remains a long line (although, I'm not sure if that is capacity or popularity). The parks have to have a broad spectrum of rides and that includes coasters. Disney has a wide assortment although I do wish that the older peoplemovers still existed, although refurbed and refreshed as needed.

 

[Skibum1970]

Indeed, Disney has put more investment into P&R than the profit they received from P&R for five of the past 9 years.

Now, some of these figures include and then exclude foreign parks and cruise lines. And the investment is spread across some 11 theme parks world wide. But the fact is that WDW has seen major Capex in the billions in the past decade and will continue to get billions more.

Does any of this include Shanghai Disneyland? Just curious. Also, building the new cruise ships can't be cheap. Plus, Disney Paris which they took over and are now tasked with serious improvement.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Does any of this include Shanghai Disneyland? Just curious. Also, building the new cruise ships can't be cheap. Plus, Disney Paris which they took over and are now tasked with serious improvement.

Disney isn't always clear on that.

 

[eddie104]

Good point forgot about that one. With that being said Toy Story land is an EXCELLENT addition, for what it is. It's about perspective. It's part of the overall development of HS and a ride for the little ones.

Also, I've been there. The lack of quality discussion is misplaced here. IMO it's a great addition especially when viewed in conjunction with SW and Mickey additions.

Now what they did to Pixar Pier!?! That was laziness!!!

DHS probably has the best TSL Disney has built to date based on the ones I've seen at the other parks besides Shanghai. It added some much needed attractions and provided an immersive land to go with it which is a win in my book.

 

[Thelazer]

Also, considering that Horizons last operated in 1999, that's nearly twenty years ago. It goes without saying that, if you were to survey WDW guests today, the majority probably won't have even heard of Horizons because they were probably too young to have visited Epcot when it was there.

Speaking as someone who WAS there and is now old enough to bring his kids to the park, I believe my kids would be AMAZED at that ride and in just as much awe as I was as a kid of it.

 

[larryz]

Disney isn't always clear on that.

It will be clear if the bill of materials on GotG includes two huge diesel engines and a pair of big brass propellers.

 

[GoofGoof]

WDW has always been profitable. It's a shame funds aren't invested back into the parks PROPERLY, instead of going into corporate pockets.

These small pockets of investment they are doing now, should have been carried out nearly a decade ago. I see past the spin in announcing attractions, then having a 4-5 year slow build on a rollercoaster.

Theme parks tend to be cyclical with investments. Pre-Harry Potter days Universal and particularly IoA was severely lacking in investment. DLR had a sorta dark period before a more recent extended period of growth and prospering. WDW had several periods of extreme growth from opening through Y2K with a few dead periods in between (thankfully pretty zshort dead periods).

To your point, the approximately 10 to 15 year period at WDW prior to the opening of Pandora was particularly bad (historically bad). Even the most pixie dust snorting, glass half full Disney park fan has to admit that. Sure there were a few decent additions like EE but overall not a great lineup of additions. Those were dark days...we all lived through them. Thankfully, that time appears to have ended. There is quite a bit of growth planned through the next 4 or 5 years. I don’t see why the failures of the dark decade should taint this current period of growth. Embrace it. Enjoy it. I’m looking forward to several return visits in a row where multiple, major “something news” will be open. No telling how long it will last.

 

[eddie104]

Theme parks tend to be cyclical with investments. Pre-Harry Potter days Universal and particularly IoA was severely lacking in investment. DLR had a sorta dark period before a more recent extended period of growth and prospering. WDW had several periods of extreme growth from opening through Y2K with a few dead periods in between (thankfully pretty zshort dead periods).

To your point, the approximately 10 to 15 year period at WDW prior to the opening of Pandora was particularly bad (historically bad). Even the most pixie dust snorting, glass half full Disney park fan has to admit that. Sure there were a few decent additions like EE but overall not a great lineup of additions. Those were dark days...we all lived through them. Thankfully, that time appears to have ended. There is quite a bit of growth planned through the next 4 or 5 years. I don’t see why the failures of the dark decade should taint this current period of growth. Embrace it. Enjoy it. I’m looking forward to several return visits in a row where multiple, major “something news” will be open. No telling how long it will last.

Some people can be so negative all the time when its really not needed.

 

[GoofGoof]

Does any of this include Shanghai Disneyland? Just curious. Also, building the new cruise ships can't be cheap. Plus, Disney Paris which they took over and are now tasked with serious improvement.

Don’t forget Carsland and the other additions at DLR. The capex is spread all over but the current period has a larger chunk going to WDW.

 

[GoofGoof]

Some people can be so negative all the time when its really not needed.

I’ll be the first to jump on the criticism bandwagon again when it’s warranted, but this current period at WDW is like finding a hot craps table at the casino...get your chips in fast and enjoy the ride

 

[eddie104]

I’ll be the first to jump on the criticism bandwagon again when it’s warranted, but this current period at WDW is like finding a hot craps table at the casino...get your chips in fast and enjoy the ride

I'm very excited for this exclusive coaster coming to Epcot. Even though the Rat ride is a clone its still wonderful addition and will bring plenty of crowds to an already popular World Showcase.