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News Guardians of the Galaxy Cosmic Rewind attraction confirmed for Epcot

The_Jobu

Well-Known Member
Say what you will about Frozen Ever Maelstrom.. but there was never a line for maelstrom.. there was barely a queue. Now it's SRO all day long. SO clearly they hit it with a significant segment of the population. And I don't miss Abba working oil rigs, to be completely honest.

Seas was just about dead till they did the Nemo thing.. and it's worth a ride once per visit.

The attendance at the property has exponentially increased since Epcot opened. They need attractions that hold more people, and keep more people busy. We want these changes to the parks that cost mucho dinero, but we don't seem to want the increased traffic to support them. You can't have it both ways. As long as the queue is interesting, I might actually stand in it for a while.

We want good theming, increased population would just be a bonus.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Was hoping to read some speculation on what the ride may entail than pages and pages of the same arguments over and over.

Maybe a gotg ride specifics thread need to be started...

For me I always thought epcot fw was perfect place for marvel characters especially if it was themed as stark expo, but I guess the universal contract puts a stop on that. I'm excited to see what they do with the ride system and story. Can understand the disappointment some people have of the park losing its original identity, but unfortunately investment has been lacking for the pavilions for years. From a marketing standpoint using current popular IP's make the most business sense
I agree as this project progresses we will need a separate thread to track actual construction updates like Avatar had. Similar to the Avatar debate this one has a lot of passion on both sides and it's valid to want to talk about the further destruction of the spirit of the original EPCOT Center. I don't think we got a whole lot more info on the ride specifics at D23. It's kinda like how they teased Star Wars 2 years ago at D23 with little actual details. I think we'll get a lot more info as the project moves into the construction phase and then we'll need a new thread.

I may be way behind, but I thought the latest rumor is that this will be a coaster based ride system and there will be an additional ride building added behind the original Energy building. The Energy building will be mostly queue and pre-show. Anyone with actual info can feel free to correct me or add to this.
 

Kylo Ken

Local Idiot
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T-minus 28 days....
 

Rotel1026

Active Member
Much crappier Disney IP, honestly. Neither Tron movie did well at the box office. Its a much riskier move to base a ride on it than even Avatar. Whereas both Guardians movies were huge hits and well received. RT ratings - Tron 2 - 51%. GotG1 - 91%, GotG2 - 81%. If you're factoring risk in, its much less risky to put the ride in MK since it can absorb such a thing failing (see: SGE) than Epcot can, especially as they rebuild it.

Whether or you like it or not, Disney owns Marvel. These are both Disney IPs.

I've never understood the argument that Disney can only base attractions on successful movies. How many of the millions of people that ride Splash Mountain every year are actually familiar with the movie? If Splash Mounting didn't exist today and they were building it and themed it to Home on the Range, or Kali River Rapids to Brother Bear, would people stay away in droves just because of the movie not having done well? I believe Tron is a great IP for that ride because it just plain looks cool. I'm sure there will be millions of people eagerly queueing up for that ride and a good deal of them will never have watched the movie or played the arcade game. I argue that what makes a successful ride is an actual good ride.
 

Maeryk

Well-Known Member
I've never understood the argument that Disney can only base attractions on successful movies. How many of the millions of people that ride Splash Mountain every year are actually familiar with the movie? If Splash Mounting didn't exist today and they were building it and themed it to Home on the Range, or Kali River Rapids to Brother Bear, would people stay away in droves just because of the movie not having done well? I believe Tron is a great IP for that ride because it just plain looks cool. I'm sure there will be millions of people eagerly queueing up for that ride and a good deal of them will never have watched the movie or played the arcade game. I argue that what makes a successful ride is an actual good ride.


Disney usually counts on nostalgia factor. Who is spending the bulk of the money right now? People like me.. wife and I, two kids, going to the parks every couple of years, staying deluxe club level, and loving the nostalgia factor. We both marked out when Tron was announced for MK, and have already started saving for the trip.

We are the cash cow. Not the retirees on discount tickets, or the 20 somethings without disposable income.

For that reason, we keep seeing stuff getting built that isn't terribly contemporary, but is a solid thrill concept. Face it, people will ride a coaster, regardless of what it is themed. The TRON thing just means it will catch the attention of us nostalgia driven people.
 

AquaDuck

Well-Known Member
Say what you will about Frozen Ever Maelstrom.. but there was never a line for maelstrom.. there was barely a queue. Now it's SRO all day long. SO clearly they hit it with a significant segment of the population. And I don't miss Abba working oil rigs, to be completely honest.

Seas was just about dead till they did the Nemo thing.. and it's worth a ride once per visit.

The attendance at the property has exponentially increased since Epcot opened. They need attractions that hold more people, and keep more people busy. We want these changes to the parks that cost mucho dinero, but we don't seem to want the increased traffic to support them. You can't have it both ways. As long as the queue is interesting, I might actually stand in it for a while.
Pretend Frozen doesn't exist for a second.

They update Maelstrom, that line will increase regardless. The ride hadn't been touched in over 25 years. The same can basically be said for The Living Seas.
 

George

Liker of Things
Premium Member
Frankly, I'm surprised the Energy building is still going to be there.

Is that you doing half a diamond cutter with DDP? Wearing a kilt...but, I digress.

There's that, although it's also a reflection of the amount of extremely valuable IP that has been amassed by Disney since the 1980s (whether organically generated internally or acquired externally. Whether certain rides fit into the overall theme of a park/area is a valid debate. However, it's just completely unreasonable to think that Disney, at this point in time, isn't going to leverage its IP for new attractions of any consequence. The fact that there were IP-free rides developed in 1970s/80s is irrelevant in today's world (for better or worse) because the IP that Disney has today is so much more valuable than what it had when EPCOT was being originally built. If Disney had owned Star Wars and Marvel back in the 1980s, I have a hard time believing that wouldn't have been using that IP extensively at that time. IP-free rides were created in an era when Disney didn't have the IP that it was today, so we have to recognize that it's a completely different standard now.

I agree with most of what you're saying. It is a very well thought out post. However, I think they're failing to realize that EPCOT (or the Studios for that matter) has been around for quite a while now and people have certain expectations about that particular IP. If FW isn't going to be have pavilions that revolve around certain key issues (energy, history of communication, agriculture, the oceans, the font of human ingenuity (imagination), transportation, possible future lifestyles, etc.) that face mankind and how we'll deal with them in the future, they should rename the section of the park concerned. They also should say they're ditching the old mission of the park. There are a million ways they could leverage some of their more popular new IPs. Disney has always used the theme parks to increase exposure. They've also always used the theme parks to create new experiences and culturally significant things out of whole cloth (i.e. a new IP). Heck, sometimes theme park IPs become movies, comic books, toys. Perhaps, you, like me, were brought to tears by the thrilling climax and heartfelt denoument of The Country Bears. If they abandon IP creation for theme parks that are supposed to have some sort of over arching theme(s), then we are all a bit worse off. I believe (I know I could be wrong) that Disney theme parks will continue to lose some of the cultural ascendancy that they've obtained through years of excellence. We all should have seen this coming when everything was branded "Disney Parks and Resorts". Soon, WDW will be Magic Kingdom, Disney Park 1, Disney Park 2, and Disney Park 3 with More Animals.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
Pardon me while I sum up everything with one image.

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That picture is about execution, not philosophy.

Oh I see why everyone is upset, because an IP doesnt fit the vision of an EPCOT that was created several decades ago. But things change, visions change. Again, theme parks can't stay the same forever.
Part of the announcement was the claim that the original vision is being reinforced, not replaced.

With GotG, technically it's set in the PAST, as GotG 2 takes place in 2014.
The Marvel Theme Park Universe is distinct from the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

The suspended (vekoma) style is pretty much considered a dead coaster platform anyway. I'm not even sure Vekoma will still build one.
B&M pretty much killed them with the inverted concept. It's simpler, easier to maintain, easier to load and unload.
Vekoma still sells suspended coasters. They’re now available with their newer track design.
 

PREMiERdrum

Well-Known Member
Vekoma still sells suspended coasters. They’re now available with their newer track design.

I assumed he was meaning the Vekoma flyers, which the marketplace soundly rejected.

-PREMiERdrum, who has more credits on XFlight/Firehawk than he can remember. Ouch.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
I'll say this I strongly disagree with what they are doing to Epcot Center (I wanted them to go back to their roots not dumbed down "family friendly" take). However I do admire the ambition of it all. We never saw anything like this during the second half of Eisners tenure and was one of the biggest reasons I along with thousands of other shareholders voted him out.

Big scope thinking and radical redesigns are what Walt Disney was all about.

Yup, Disney was at one time the standard setter who broke new ground all the time, Now its all about 'industry parity'
 

MuteSuperstar

Well-Known Member
I guess one of the things that bugs me is how short most of the new stuff is....between Rat, Tron and Guardians, how much actual ride time are we looking at? 5 minutes?

But hey at least the endless queues will be elaborate. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy that new stuff is finally coming, but trading longer immersive attractions for blink-and-you-miss-it blips just doesn't do a lot for me. But I have long since resigned myself to the fact that it seems most people don't actually want to be on long attractions anymore. UOE was excessive, I will admit, but are people's attention spans so destroyed, and their phone obsessions so all-consuming that they can't handle something that lasts even 10 mins?
Yes
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