Guardians of the Galaxy coming to Energy Pavilion at Epcot

[SpaceMountain77]

I don't mind the foam heads; they're part of the overall experience. But they're not the only reason to go to the Vacation Kingdom of the world.

If more people vacationed at Walt Disney World, rather than visit as theme park warriors, and enjoyed carriage rides at Port Orleans, trail rides at Fort Wilderness, and architectural tours at the Wilderness Lodge, then the overall experience and direction of Parks & Resorts would likely be significantly different.

 

[EPCOTCenterLover]

VERY greedy!

 

[SpaceMountain77]

IMO, the problem isn't simply what's being built. Out-of-control price hikes, poor food quality, poor CM morale, and lower perceived value have accompanied the new attraction plans that haven't been built yet.

In WDW, New FL and Frozenstrom didn't cost so much that Disney *had* to jack up admission, resorts, and dining. They've been dangerously testing how much is too much, and as many of us have said before, the middle-class Disney fans are being priced out and the wealthy don't consider theme parks ideal vacations. The new stores at DS are a perfect example. Disney attracted many pricey tenants, while ignoring the public has been trained to shop only sales and clearance offers. How high is the DS rent? How will the stores survive?

Star Wars Land, revamped Epcot, and Avatar will revitalize WDW. But Disney is treading dangerously close to losing goodwill among guests, who have begun to feel the company is showing a new "Disney Side," and it's greedy.

 

[Donaldfan1934]

The plan is to retheme Future World from a series of corporate sponsored pavilions presenting the future into more of a broad Science Fiction futuristic area and that will begin with Guardians of the Galaxy land taking over the left side of FW.

And how is that any different from Tomorrowland? I know it's been alluded to many times here, but why can't they just bring back Project Gemini?

 

[munchiezxx]

The plan is to retheme Future World from a series of corporate sponsored pavilions presenting the future into more of a broad Science Fiction futuristic area and that will begin with Guardians of the Galaxy land taking over the left side of FW.

Wait, I'm sorry, what???? Is this real???

 

[zooey]

And how is that any different from Tomorrowland? I know it's been alluded to many times here, but why can't they just bring back Project Gemini?

Project Gemini wanted to turn spaceship earth into a roller coaster. No thank you.

 

[Donaldfan1934]

IMO, the problem isn't simply what's being built. Out-of-control price hikes, poor food quality, poor CM morale, and lower perceived value have accompanied the new attraction plans that haven't been built yet.

In WDW, New FL and Frozenstrom didn't cost so much that Disney *had* to jack up admission, resorts, and dining. They've been dangerously testing how much is too much, and as many of us have said before, the middle-class Disney fans are being priced out and the wealthy don't consider theme parks ideal vacations. The new stores at DS are a perfect example. Disney attracted many pricey tenants, while ignoring the public has been trained to shop only sales and clearance offers. How high is the DS rent? How will the stores survive?

Star Wars Land, revamped Epcot, and Avatar will revitalize WDW. But Disney is treading dangerously close to losing goodwill among guests, who have begun to feel the company is showing a new "Disney Side," and it's greedy.

I definitely agree with you that pricing is the biggest part since that affects both hardcore fans and the general public. As far as the perceived lower value, that's much more of a fan observation. I'm not saying everyday people can't notice quality declines, but its largely fans on forums like this one who sometimes see something much more drastic than a general public who often confuses DL and WDW. The reason I was focusing on a lot of the stuff that's planned is that I feel the consistently poor attraction placement will be the straw that breaks the camel's back for fans, not just at WDW, but P&R wide.

 

[tirian]

I definitely agree with you that pricing is the biggest part since that affects both hardcore fans and the general public. As far as the perceived lower value, that's much more of a fan observation. I'm not saying everyday people can't notice quality declines, but its largely fans on forums like this one who sometimes see something much more drastic than a general public who often confuses DL and WDW. The reason I was focusing on a lot of the stuff that's planned is that I feel the consistently poor attraction placement will be the straw that breaks the camel's back for fans, not just at WDW, but P&R wide.

Good point.

I do think you'd be surprised at how much of the "normal" public is starting to notice the same issues as the fans.

 

[Donaldfan1934]

Project Gemini wanted to turn spaceship earth into a roller coaster. No thank you.

Ok, maybe they shouldn't do everything they were going to do, but most of it. It largely kept the park's message without having to keep up with the future very much like how DHS's message will be maintained without keeping the long abandoned studio infrastructure.

 

[Donaldfan1934]

Good point.

I do think you'd be surprised at how much of the "normal" public is starting to notice the same issues as the fans.

Thanks. I don't know everything, but what I do know is that the general public has responded to MM+ with overall rave reviews. That alone should speak volumes to the difference between hardcore fans and the general public, even if there is some c ground between the two.

 

[GoofGoof]

So if we want the parks to maintain their theming and character and a large portion of the general public wants more rides...

I definitely agree. That is what made Disney great. It comes down to money these days. They spent $450M or something crazy like that to build FLE. It's probably one of the most beautiful sections of any domestic Disney parks, but it lacks rides. If they added another E ticket it would have added significantly to the already large budget. They could have added another ride and skimped on rock work or the queues of the rides but that's not a good answer either. I think of Transformers at uni as an example. I'm not trying to make this a universal vs Disney debate, but rather pointing out the difference in priority of theme vs adding rides. We would be killing Disney for building something like that.

I'm just wondering why all these new lands seem to only have 2 or maybe 3 rides. Carsland, Avatar, TSL, SW Land, both Potter Lands, etc...Seems like once the land is built it would be easier/cheaper to add additional rides to it.

 

[GoofGoof]

Good point.

I do think you'd be surprised at how much of the "normal" public is starting to notice the same issues as the fans.

They are definitely noticing the ridiculous price increases. I know multiple people who are not Disney park geeks like me who are shocked at how much more it costs even vs 5 years ago. I think once people are already rubbed the wrong way by prices they go in expecting more and more and start to see the flaws.

 

[Donaldfan1934]

I definitely agree. That is what made Disney great. It comes down to money these days. They spent $450M or something crazy like that to build FLE. It's probably one of the most beautiful sections of any domestic Disney parks, but it lacks rides. If they added another E ticket it would have added significantly to the already large budget. They could have added another ride and skimped on rock work or the queues of the rides but that's not a good answer either. I think of Transformers at uni as an example. I'm not trying to make this a universal vs Disney debate, but rather pointing out the difference in priority of theme vs adding rides. We would be killing Disney for building something like that.

I'm just wondering why all these new lands seem to only have 2 or maybe 3 rides. Carsland, Avatar, TSL, SW Land, both Potter Lands, etc...Seems like once the land is built it would be easier/cheaper to add additional rides to it.

Totally agree. As stated many times before, Frozen should've been an E-Ticket in an FLE phase 2.

 

[SirLink]

Oh my word. Do you even realize what your saying? Jeffrey Katzenberg was placed under SEC Investigation by shareholders just for overhyping Shrek home video sales but you think Bob Iger can categorically lie to shareholders faces on record about contracts involving important intellectual property?

I recommend you get out of the internet sensationalism bubble and get some exposure in the real world. It worked wonders for me.

HAAAAAAHHHHHAAAAAAA. The same CEO that hasn't been clear to investors about the exact cost of MM+ and why it hasn't produced the increase in revenue he stated. The same CEO that hasn't been clear to investors over why the entire Shanghailand project has been mismanaged from the beginning - or when Shanghailand won't bring in the forecasts to the profit. The world likes globalisation and mega corps like Disney.

 

[71jason]

What about Deadpool? nothing says family-friendly like Deadpool!!

Sarcastic question, serious answer: he's almost certainly an X-Man. And actually, he wouldn't be that much of a stretch for Universal's aesthetic ...

 

[GoofGoof]

Totally agree. As stated many times before, Frozen should've been an E-Ticket in an FLE phase 2.

Yep, let's just hope Gotg gets the ride(s) that it deserves.

 

[71jason]

I don't know the comic book lineage, just the Netflix shows. Could they use Daredevil, Punisher, Jessica Jones, Elektra or Luke Cage? They'd definitely be too dark for any park other than DHS, but just curious at this point.

Pretty sure Jessica Jones is post-contract, should be fine. (Theoretically of course--agreed none of these coming to WDW ever. Which makes me sad as a Krysten Ritter fanboi.)

Punisher probably ok. Luke Cage, same, tho maybe he was an Avenger briefly? Was always more associated with the Defenders, or the Heroes for Hire. I don't think either currently represented in IoA, but I could be wrong. Was never a fan of either, so going on very sketchy knowledge of comics here.

Daredevil/Electra are tough. DD has his own debut book, but over the years became closely associated with Spider-Man. Also, there is a huge DD cut-out decorating IoA. I imagine either park could make a claim, would probably be a messy arbitration. (DD got pushed into the Avengers at one point, but I think after contract.)

 

[tirian]

Thanks. I don't know everything, but what I do know is that the general public has responded to MM+ with overall rave reviews. That alone should speak volumes to the difference between hardcore fans and the general public, even if there is some c ground between the two.

Have they really? Because according to the people I know in Celebration, casual guests who have used MM+ constantly complain about the stress of advanced planning for such a complicated program.

Remember, Disney considers the WDW version of MM+ to be a failure and isn't rolling it out to any of the other parks. The DL version will be heavily modified. Shanghai DL just opened with the old paper FP system.

 

[GoofGoof]

Have they really? Because according to the people I know in Celebration, casual guests who have used MM+ constantly complain about the stress of advanced planning for such a complicated program.

Remember, Disney considers the WDW version of MM+ to be a failure and isn't rolling it out to any of the other parks. The DL version will be heavily modified. Shanghai DL just opened with the old paper FP system.

I think most people like the magic bands and the phone app. FP+ is a little bit of a mixed bag. Some hate it, some love it and a lot don't even know the difference. I was amazed when I first saw the statistics on how many people never bothered to used FP. I always just assumed everyone else was using it too.

I know we'll never know for sure, but I wonder how much of the data mining aspect of MM+ has provided value. That seemed to be a big part of the discussions during the roll out but I haven't heard anything about it since. I know that's sensitive info so I doubt we'll really know for sure.

 

[marni1971]

Wait, I'm sorry, what???? Is this real???

It isn't.