Donaldfan1934
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Buzz was good for its time, now its in desperate need for an update. While I never saw it in person Timekeeper looked like a very cool show and I wish they kept that and put laugh floor in the Studios.
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Guardians of the Galaxy coming to Energy Pavilion at Epcot
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Donaldfan1934
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Sorry I went against the hive narative of "almost everything prior to the late 1990's is nearly infallible". I respect and mostly agree with a lot posters here, but I find the atmosphere here can sometimes be hard to express yourself and share a "contrarian" opinion.
No Name
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Perhaps Ellen got the final Jeopardy question wrong. Judy wins. Because Disney's brain power is really running out.
I am not opposed to existing IPs being used for attractions in Epcot. Ellen and Bill Nye are considered IPs. They were established, known stars who were supposed to draw more interest to the attraction. It was a great idea... keep the attraction highly appealing while still focusing on the theme of energy. Educate and inspire, but in a way that won't put anyone to sleep.
But there's one ride I've fallen alseep on (past my childhood years), and sure enough, that ride is Ellen's Energy Adventure. The problem is that, while Ellen is still plenty relevant, and Bill Nye sort of, the ride is really not that much more appealing to kids or even adults, I'd say. Energy is also the longest Disney attraction that currently exists. I appreciate the long length, but it's slow. It's just not a great ride, and I know nobody who has a strong love for it. But does it fit the theme of Epcot? Sure does.
This GotG ride may be times better. But does Guardians of the Galaxy relate to energy in any way? I'd have to watch the movie again, but I do not believe so. In fact, it often goes against the laws of energy and physics. To get to the point, GotG does not fit Future World, and I can almost guarantee the ride wouldn't even attempt to do so.
Just as Marvel has begun it's third phase of movies, Epcot may be entering its third phase. I will post about that in the general Epcot changes thread. But basically, it's not good. It shows a lack of brain power.
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Right now, the energy pavillion does not have much kinetic energy. But it sure has a lot of potential. What Disney should do is get some sponsor who wants to change their image, and create a great new ride. Showcase wind energy, water energy, solar energy. Show how cars can move away from fuel. Show, even if it's a stretch, how we are changing our direction to use more renewable sources. Be inspiring! Energy is a topic that I can imagine being so inspiring. It could be the best ride in Epcot.
Or if there's no sponsor, build such a great ride that a company would jump at the oportunity to have their name on it. If only Disney had the brain power to do it.
Spaceship Earth is my last hope. It is the glue that is just barely holding the park together. I hope it stays the same, simply because anything Bob or Bob has them do to it will make it worse.
I am not opposed to existing IPs being used for attractions in Epcot. Ellen and Bill Nye are considered IPs. They were established, known stars who were supposed to draw more interest to the attraction. It was a great idea... keep the attraction highly appealing while still focusing on the theme of energy. Educate and inspire, but in a way that won't put anyone to sleep.
But there's one ride I've fallen alseep on (past my childhood years), and sure enough, that ride is Ellen's Energy Adventure. The problem is that, while Ellen is still plenty relevant, and Bill Nye sort of, the ride is really not that much more appealing to kids or even adults, I'd say. Energy is also the longest Disney attraction that currently exists. I appreciate the long length, but it's slow. It's just not a great ride, and I know nobody who has a strong love for it. But does it fit the theme of Epcot? Sure does.
This GotG ride may be times better. But does Guardians of the Galaxy relate to energy in any way? I'd have to watch the movie again, but I do not believe so. In fact, it often goes against the laws of energy and physics. To get to the point, GotG does not fit Future World, and I can almost guarantee the ride wouldn't even attempt to do so.
Just as Marvel has begun it's third phase of movies, Epcot may be entering its third phase. I will post about that in the general Epcot changes thread. But basically, it's not good. It shows a lack of brain power.
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Right now, the energy pavillion does not have much kinetic energy. But it sure has a lot of potential. What Disney should do is get some sponsor who wants to change their image, and create a great new ride. Showcase wind energy, water energy, solar energy. Show how cars can move away from fuel. Show, even if it's a stretch, how we are changing our direction to use more renewable sources. Be inspiring! Energy is a topic that I can imagine being so inspiring. It could be the best ride in Epcot.
Or if there's no sponsor, build such a great ride that a company would jump at the oportunity to have their name on it. If only Disney had the brain power to do it.
Spaceship Earth is my last hope. It is the glue that is just barely holding the park together. I hope it stays the same, simply because anything Bob or Bob has them do to it will make it worse.
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HauntedMansionFLA
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Any announcement regarding GotG coming to EPCOT? All of the comments are about everything but the topic.
ToTBellHop
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GoofGoof
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No announcement. There won't be an announcement for a while. This is Disney. The first official thing you will probably hear is Energy closing.
HauntedMansionFLA
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I know - I was fooling around. Perhaps an announcement about this and Third land at DHS at the next D23.
CDavid
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Correct. The best news we could get is that Universe of energy remains open (and this particular lame-brained idea goes away...).
Mike S
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The first official thing you'll see is a limited edition Universe of Energy shirt on DisneyStore.com. That'll be the sign.
ToTBellHop
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I want a Body Wars shirt...
Lee
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Yes. According to the ops guide, the turnstile narration said "Guests not meeting the 48 height requirement should not participate in this demonstration."
It also tasks CMs with informing parties with small children about the nature of the attraction. Such was also repeated in the spiels.
There were plenty of warning and opportunities, like child swap, to back out.
lazyboy97o
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The issue is not that you are expressing a differing view. It's that you have no actual basis for your vigorous repetition of excuses. You're flailing about giving every excuse you've previously read just to stay contrarian.
ToTBellHop
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Interesting. "Should not" implies that they allowed shorter kids on?
In any event, it is absurd to suggest that the park couldn't have ONE attraction with restrictions like that. Pretty sure IJA at DL has a slightly-lower 46" requirement and features disturbing and macabre imagery that no one complains about.
Thanks phoenicians
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Probably we'll get more details on TSL and SWL as well as maybe a recap of Avatar if it's opened by then, if not then hopefully they'll give an opening date. Hopefully they'll announce the E-ticket planned to come to DHS as well as a good amount of info on what's happening with Epcot. Then probably some Marvel info in DCA.
FigmentJedi
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It'll probably be a tweaked version of the Primeval World poster art they're selling as a T-Shirt for the Anniversary of that diorama right now.
Donaldfan1934
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As you probably assumed, I strongly disagree. Don't get me wrong, I love IJA, but even though it fits the Adventureland theme, but I still don't think it gels well with the rest of the park. I feel the same way to an extent about Star Tours in Tomorrowland as well. However, I feel those are far more justifiable since those weren't horror attractions aimed almost exclusively at teens/adults. For a theme park to be most cohesive, I feel all the attractions, thrill rides or not, have to fit a certain mold. The Magic Kingdom mold is ultra family friendly based on traditional Amerian and Walt Disney era values and culture, so everything should fit that mold IP or original. The AE defense seems pretty hypocritical to me considering the other things we criticize. We mostly agreed that FEA was a bad fit for Norway despite turning out pretty nice, that SWL is a terrible fit for DL that completely breaks it's near flawless cohesiveness, and of course, we have been agreeing that GotG is the final nail in the EPCOT Center coffin. But somehow we think a ride squarely aimed at a more adult in the theme park mold "where the parents and the children can have fun TOGETHER" is OKAY!?!?! I think there was a reason more than budgets as to why they never cloned it. They probably could've cut other aspects of the TL98 project to accomdate it at DL, but even if they couldn't, there was always Tokyo. @the.dreamfinder shared a great Walt quote earlier in the thread about how he never talked down to or aimed anything squarely at any audience. That's how he did things and that style of family entertainment the Magic Kingdom mold should continue to replicate. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a PC nut bag (very un-PC in fact) and would love to see more adult content if possible. But if they want to do that, they should either put it in the right park or just create an adult entertainment park if they REALLY don't want limits. In MK's case, however, I don't feel PG-13 or higher attractions are the "missing something", but rather the "wholesome illusion breaker". I respect the options of you and others, but I hope this puts my POV into perspective.
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Donaldfan1934
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If you feel my opinion is unwarranted, read my reply to @Mark Devries above. Hopefully I stated it in a clearer light for others to understand.
Magic Kingdom needs something for an older audience. Alien Encounter was just not what it needed.
lazyboy97o
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It's the same contradictory rambling you've already repeated before. You're continue to ignore an entire history in favor of the recent delusion that the Magic Kingdom is some kiddie park and are still jumping around to find some excuse that might hold up.
Donaldfan1934
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I was never trying to justify it being a kiddy park, but rather a family park. Name me one MK attraction before AE that could truly be considered an experience strictly for those teen+. I didn't intend to look like I was making excuses by adding to my point. I'll admit that occasionally my argument can slip as it does with anyone, but I feel in this case my argument has been relatively consistent.
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