Guardians of the Galaxy coming to Energy Pavilion at Epcot

[Donaldfan1934]

SGE failed because it was a knee-jerk reaction that was poorly conceived and aimed far too low... which to me was an even bigger offender.

I agree. I just that the decision to just retrofit the problem child was the poor conception and everything else followed.

 

[Donaldfan1934]

Here is all the defense necessary:
Something for everyone, not everything for everyone.
There is no reason or expectation that every attraction at MK be child friendly. Space isn't for everybody. Neither is BTMRR.

Removing Alien Encounter was a misguided, bone-headed, knee-jerk reaction to the complaints of some parents. Parents who should have read the signs and not put easily frightened little kids on it, just like they wouldn't put a 3yr old on Space Mountain.

Perfect example of dumbing down.
Thus began the ruin of Tomorrwland.

It seems to me most kids who ride Space and BTMRR think they're fun. I don't know if the same could be said for AE.

 

[KikoKea]

Martin, this entire country caters to Little Timmy

And Little Timmy's doting parents.

 

[CDavid]

I believe that a theme park should have a set standard of what kind of experiences it should provide in both tone and appropriateness so everthing feels cohesive.

Getting back to the topic of the thread, you have succinctly summarized just what is wrong with Guardians of the Galaxy in Epcot; It is simply not thematically appropriate for the park.

Alien Encounter provided "something for all ages"; Not every attraction or experience is supposed to be aimed at the toddler demographic.

I'm sorry, but less than 10 years isn't a good run when you compare it to the true hits of the park.

But we have no way of knowing just how popular the attraction would have been in 2016, do we? Alien Encounter wasn't altered due to any lack of popularity.

It seems to me most kids who ride Space and BTMRR think they're fun. I don't know if the same could be said for AE.

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How old a "kid"? That could describe anyone from a newborn to 18 years of age. Those young enough to be truly scared by Alien Encounter largely aren't riding Space Mountain (there's a height requirement for a reason).

 

[brb1006]

Got a must watch right here from the 80s

I wish we had Imagineers like them again.

 

[danlb_2000]

I wish we had Imagineers like them again.

Is the problem lack of good Imagineers, or management that won't give them the freedom or money to do really good work?

 

[tirian]

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I wasn't arguing quality, I was arguing placement, a common topic in this thread. I believe that a theme park should have a set standard of what kind of experiences it should provide in both tone and appropriateness so everthing feels cohesive. While the imagineers definitely did a good job of tying AE into the story of new Tomorrowland, it didn't synch with other experiences in the park. No matter what the ride, the Magic Kingdom provides experiences that can individually appeal to many different ages and having one that's so niche relatively speaking takes away from the intentions of that park. That's what my point is here and I hope I don't have to clarify it anymore.

Ideally, it would've been moved to the Studios.

 

[Donaldfan1934]

I totally understand what you are saying about people's expectations, but the point with AE is that people's expectations should have changed as they experienced the ride and it became more widely known that the ride was frightening and not appropriate for young children. The idea that everything at MK (or any Disney park) is assumed to be appropriate for everything should not be the case. By getting rid of AE, Disney actually did a great disservice by reinforcing this expectation.

Again, the ride was clearly marked. The darn name had TERROR in capital letters. The proper reaction from parents should have been "I made a mistake in ignoring the signs and will not do so again" as opposed to "Disney is wrong". Personal responsibility and all that.

I gave you much praise earlier in this thread, but I STRONGLY disagree with this. Even if people did read the signage, most probably thought "its MK, how bad could it be when their haunted house isn't even that scary?". Obviously, the general public's expectations were defied in a way that they didn't like so they, like most of us here, had a right to complain about a change that didn't fit their image of the park. Many families (aka WDW's core demographic) like the Magic Kingdom because it provides good old fashioned safe family entertainment and while Disney has a right to experiment, they shouldn't always expect people to accept something because its Change. While most here consider the execution of SGE to be notorious, Disney did do the right thing by removing something that went against what many felt the place stood for.

 

[Lee]

It seems to me most kids who ride Space and BTMRR think they're fun. I don't know if the same could be said for AE.

Not all kids think Space and BTMRR are fun. I've seen plenty of them get off in tears.
Lot of kids liked AE. The ones whose parents knew they could handle it, as opposed to the ones who were scared even before their obsessive parents drug them on it. The same parents who then got mad.

 

[tirian]

I gave you much praise earlier in this thread, but I STRONGLY disagree with this. Even if people did read the signage, most probably thought "its MK, how bad could it be when their haunted house isn't even that scary?". Obviously, the general public's expectations were defied in a way that they didn't like so they, like most of us here, had a right to complain about a change that didn't fit their image of the park. Many families (aka WDW's core demographic) like the Magic Kingdom because it provides good old fashioned safe family entertainment and while Disney has a right to experiment, they shouldn't always expect people to accept something because its Change. While most here consider the execution of SGE to be notorious, Disney did do the right thing by removing something that went against what many felt the place stood for.

I'm satisfied that SGE consistently posts the lowest satisfaction ratings in the MK.

 

[Lee]

... Disney did do the right thing by removing something that went against what many felt the place stood for.

Nonsense. One of the biggest mistakes ever made at MK, the ramifications of which are still being seen.

 

[seabreezept813]

Alien encounter was decent. It actually scared me my first time on it as I was only like 9 years old. Stitch is an absolute mess.

That whole attraction should be gutted and something new should go there. Same for Monsters Laugh Floor

I was also terrified of Alien Encounter and did not love it, but I never experienced it as a teen or adult. Even though it was never my favorite, my family at least rode it. We neverv go near the Stitch redo, even though we enjoy the movie.

 

[Donaldfan1934]

Ideally, it would've been moved to the Studios.

True. Aside from Universal, I would strongly agree that the Studios would've given it the best chance of survival out of Disney's parks. Since it would need to work thematically at the studios, maybe they could've gone with the Alien theme like they originally were going to.

 

[Donaldfan1934]

I'm satisfied that SGE consistently posts the lowest satisfaction ratings in the MK.

Lol, true. But from a PR perspective, at least its hated just because its a sub-par attraction and not because it's appropriate is in question. If AE couldn't make it then, could you imagine how it would be received in the ultra PC world of today?

 

[Mike S]

True. Aside from Universal, I would strongly agree that the Studios would've given it the best chance of survival out of Disney's parks. Since it would need to work thematically at the studios, maybe they could've gone with the Alien theme like they originally were going to.

Xenomorph Encounter. Where do I get in line?

Makes you think how a "Sci-Fi" land in DHS might have worked a little better than "Star Wars" land. Much more to work with. Of course I would still want the new Battle attraction that we're getting in SWL. Looks and sounds awesome.

Don't hate me...

 

[Virtual Toad]

Perfect example of dumbing down.
Thus began the ruin of Tomorrwland.

Amen. I would gladly take Tomorrowland circa 1996 any day. Dreamflight, Timekeeper and Alien Encounter vs. Buzz, Monsters Inc. and Stitch. How far we've come indeed.

 

[Lee]

*sigh*
Toonmorrowland.

 

[lazyboy97o]

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I wasn't arguing quality, I was arguing placement, a common topic in this thread. I believe that a theme park should have a set standard of what kind of experiences it should provide in both tone and appropriateness so everthing feels cohesive. While the imagineers definitely did a good job of tying AE into the story of new Tomorrowland, it didn't synch with other experiences in the park. No matter what the ride, the Magic Kingdom provides experiences that can individually appeal to many different ages and having one that's so niche relatively speaking takes away from the intentions of that park. That's what my point is here and I hope I don't have to clarify it anymore.

It synced just fine. You're just repeating nonsense excuses you've read that lack any semblance of true coherence.

 

[Donaldfan1934]

Xenomorph Encounter. Where do I get in line?

Makes you think how a "Sci-Fi" land in DHS might have worked a little better than "Star Wars" land. Much more to work with. Of course I would still want the new Battle attraction that we're getting in SWL. Looks and sounds awesome.

Don't hate me...

While I definitely think Star Wars deserves its own land, I like your idea and think it would be cool if both could be integrated in some way.

 

[Mike S]

While I definitely think Star Wars deserves its own land, I like your idea and think it would be cool if both could be integrated in some way.

I think Star Wars deserves its own land too. Just a crazy "what if" scenario if DHS's lands were based on genres instead of specific movies.