Guardians of the Galaxy coming to Energy Pavilion at Epcot

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ToTBellHop

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It's not semantics. It is that there is limited money for all projects and these forthcoming projects are spending too much of it on the queue at the expense of the ride. It's on a different level but you know how Ariel has an outstanding queue and then a ride that can't measure up? Imagine that but on an e ticket.
 
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andre85

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MansionButler84 said:
It's not semantics. It is that there is limited money for all projects and these forthcoming projects are spending too much of it on the queue at the expense of the ride. It's on a different level but you know how Ariel has an outstanding queue and then a ride that can't measure up? Imagine that but on an e ticket.
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We don't know that. All we have is someone's interpretation of plans that we haven't seen ourselves, and we have no idea how accurate they may be. Little Mermaid is a poor example as well, since the ride is a clone of one that already existed, and thus our improved queue didn't come at the ride's expense.

But I find the budget argument to be a bit silly, because you could apply it to literally everything. If Tower of Terror's amazing queue had been cut, it also could have been invested for presumably an even better ride--but would it truly be better without the queue? Same goes for Splash Mountain, or any number of rides.
 
Matt_Black

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andre85 said:
We don't know that. All we have is someone's interpretation of plans that we haven't seen ourselves, and we have no idea how accurate they may be. Little Mermaid is a poor example as well, since the ride is a clone of one that already existed, and thus our improved queue didn't come at the ride's expense.

But I find the budget argument to be a bit silly, because you could apply it to literally everything. If Tower of Terror's amazing queue had been cut, it also could have been invested for presumably an even better ride--but would it truly be better without the queue? Same goes for Splash Mountain, or any number of rides.
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Quite right. When done properly, like ToT, Splash, or RnRC, the entrance and exit queues are just as important to the narrative as the ride itself.
 
Next Big Thing

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MansionButler84 said:
It's not semantics. It is that there is limited money for all projects and these forthcoming projects are spending too much of it on the queue at the expense of the ride. It's on a different level but you know how Ariel has an outstanding queue and then a ride that can't measure up? Imagine that but on an e ticket.
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Well as long as the ride truly is an E-ticket, then I have no qualms about an E+ queue. I just don't need another LM situation where the queue is an E and the ride is a C.
 
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MansionButler84 said:
It's not semantics. It is that there is limited money for all projects and these forthcoming projects are spending too much of it on the queue at the expense of the ride. It's on a different level but you know how Ariel has an outstanding queue and then a ride that can't measure up? Imagine that but on an e ticket.
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Thanks, this is shedding light on it. I'm starting to understand what Martin might be concerned about.
 
Cesar R M

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Matt_Black said:
I will when YOU post a link of me saying that I said that you specifically said the rides are terrible.
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marni1971 said:
Still waiting for you to show where I said these rides in question are terrible.

Go on. Be a devil. Post a link.
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Matt7187

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Mike S said:
I'd give it a low D. It still has certain aspects above C Ticket rides like Pan and Pooh such as the animatronics. As a comparison Frozen is a much better D.
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My biggest problem with LM is that since I have never seen the movie (what a horrible Disney fan I am :eek:), I have no clue at all how the story was resolved. Of course watching the movie would help, but I feel that for the people who have never seen it will be totally lost like I am. I don't have that problem with other dark rides in Fantasyland because they all show an explicit beginning, climax, and resolution, which is not given in LM.
 
Next Big Thing

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Mike S said:
I'd give it a low D. It still has certain aspects above C Ticket rides like Pan and Pooh such as the animatronics. As a comparison Frozen is a much better D.
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It's one of the least charming Fantasyland dark rides in the US imo, though. Rides like Mr. Toad and Alice are much simpler, cheaper to run and far more charming.

I don't even want to know how many of those types of rides could've taken up that plot of land. It's too depressing.
 
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doctornick

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andre85 said:
I'm having trouble imagining how a scene for a flight simulator could possibly be replaced by one in the queue.

It really does seem more like an argument of semantics, as someone earlier suggested. I mean, at what point would a ride be long enough for that to not be the case?
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Next Big Thing said:
Honestly that's the way i'm reading it too. Martin said it used to be Preshow 1, Preshow 2, Preshow 3. Show scene 1, show scene 2, Show Scene 3, etc. and now it's just Show Scene 1-10.

Maybe they just changed the way they are classifying things, which to me sounds like a semantics issue.
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I'm a little confused about it as well. For a ride that is likely to have a relatively short ride time (like an indoor roller coaster like GotG apparently is or a simulator like FoP), having an elaborate queue to build up the story strikes me as a good thing to enhance the experience. With a shorter ride length, more time will be spent in the queue so providing details there has some value. Whether it is a "pre-show" or "first show scenes" does indeed down like semantics; the big question to me is whether the queue is an essential part of the ride (think stretching room for HM) and, thus, whether FP skips it or not -- which makes an unfair is a downside to FP. To me, while an ideal queue is entertaining, if it key part of the storytelling for the ride, then all riders should be routed through it an experience it.

I'm surprised @marni1971 has mentioned the Star Wars Alcatraz ride as potentially suffering from a queue/ride problem because I was under the impression that the show building for the ride will be massive and, as an LPS ride, I would expect it to not move overly fast and thus has a good ride length. Even with the rumblings of a very long detailed queue, I felt like it would not overshadow the payoff of the ride. I've kinda pictured a Forbidden Journey situation where both the queue and the ride are well regarded and complimentary.
 
ProjectXBlog

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David2319 said:
I'd prefer to save tot.
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i honestly can't see it going anywhere in the near future. unlike anaheim, the dhs tower is the centerpiece of the park. hell, disney has been recently using it as the park icon; i can't see them implementing a guardians ride at both epcot AND their bread & butter at DHS

that being said, this is the company that has been consistently disappointing me since the bush administration so idk
 
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