Grizz is gone...

[Scooter]

I won't miss Grizz a bit.

I know that sounds harsh, but I think now we can discuss new park changes with optimism w/o Grizz saying that the parks are going to fall into the 7th layer of Dante's Hell because the new attractions won't have the flavor, warmth, creativity,smell, or Disney magic that the previous attraction had...and he said this stuff even before the old attraction was torn down.

How can you say something will be bad if you don't even give it a chance?

He would rant and rave enough about how bad Soarin and the whole Land pavillion was going to be...he went on and on about how the " Airline terminal" theming would ruin the whole Pavillion..and yet, the over wheming majority of people agree that Soarin is a great attraction.

Grizz thought he had cornered the market on what the definition of "Disney Magic" was and anyone who didn't agree with him and his so called "Army"
were bombarded with bad reputation points. BTW...Thank you Steve for doing away with those.

If Grizz chooses to leave this forum or not..it isn't because people are picking on him... in my opinion it's because he couldn't handle people not agreeing with his views and not jumping on his rapidly sinking D-Army ship.

I'm assuming Grizz is a full grown man. If that is the case he needs to learn to deal with criticism and keep an open mind.

We all Love Disney or we wouldn't be on this forum, we all have our own ideas on whats good or bad in Disney World, whats exciting or boring in Disney World, and what's Magical or whats NOT Magical in Disney World.

I judge the success or failure of a new attraction by the number of people waiting in line,the WOW factor, and the smiles on the faces of the park guests after they get off a ride or leave an attraction...but I don't, and I don't think ANYONE should put down an attraction before it's even built.

That being said, I hope Grizz finds his place in Life and continues to enjoy his Love of all things Disney.

I, personally, have no plans to leave this forum because I am endlessly supplied with great up to date Disney information and have made many friends here. (and a few enemies now I'm sure) :lol:

 

[Captain Hank]

Reposted from other thread:

It's so sad that Grizz has decided to leave for good. Like him, or not, he made vast contributions to this forum. His knowledge of Disney park history was next to unparalleled. Most of all, he stood up for what he believed in and took action. It could be argued whether or not his "Calls to Arms" were warranted, but there's no doubt that his heart was in the right place, and that his intentions were right, at least in his own mind. I might not have agreed with absolutely everything he said, but I considered him a very valuable resource to these boards, and a person who cared passionately about the condition and "Magic" of the Disney parks.

It just won't be the same without him.

 

[speck76]

No Imagneer Boy He's on VACATION...

Grizz we all love you, except Speck... lol

That was not really called for.......

 

[dxwwf3]

Somebody needs to start a D-Troops to bring Grizz back to WDWMagic :lol:

Seriously, I can only hope that time will heal this wound and Grizz WILL come back to WDWMagic one day soon.

 

[speck76]

I have to agree. If Grizz wants to go into his cave and hibernate for the winter, that's fine. However, I would suggest to him that he grow a thicker hide while he's in there! Grizz's posting style reminds me more of a chicken than a bear. Chicken Little to be exact.

Grizz has a very bad habit of posting here and elsewhere with his constant fears that the Disney sky in falling. I get very tired of his constant fear mongering. I'm sure I don't have to remind regular members of all the "call to arms" posts made by Grizz over the years. Most of these reports have been based upon unsubstantiated rumors. Yet, when you take a longer view, most of the fears and panic expressed by Grizz have not been a problem. The Land is more popular than ever, the Dreamfinder can still be found in your dreams and all the planets are spinning in their proper orbits.

I suppose we should make Roy Disney a saint and also cast Eisner into pit with Churnabog and Captain Hook! Oh yeah, I almost forgot that we need to toss Paul Pressler and Cindy Harris in the same pit. Wait a darn minute! That's unfair. Obviously Eisner, Pressler and Harris are the most powerful and evil Disney forces ever to walk the face of the earth! They could easily defeat Churnabog and Hook with time to spare. We need to throw Hades, the Headless Horseman, Cruella Deville and Clayton down in pit just to make things fair. And...so it goes.

Once Grizz wakes up from his nap, I hope he'll be more like his brother bear Baloo;

So just try and relax, yeah cool it
Fall apart in my backyard
'Cause let me tell you something little britches
If you act like that bee acts, uh uh
You're working too hard

And don't spend your time lookin' around
For something you want that can't be found
When you find out you can live without it
And go along not thinkin' about it
I'll tell you something true

The bare necessities of life will come to you

Great post Woody!

 

[MKCP 1985]

Sometimes, one leaves for good only to return when things have settled and the mind is refreshed. Probably not good to make a big deal about "gone forever," as one wouldn't want to be painted into a corner.

Make the best of the time we have here - enjoy what each other brings.

 

[SpongeScott]

Sometimes, one leaves for good only to return when things have settled and the mind is refreshed. Probably not good to make a big deal about "gone forever," as one wouldn't want to be painted into a corner.

Make the best of the time we have here - enjoy what each other brings.

spoken like a true man who knows in life what really matters.

Read his sig.

 

[Uponastar]

Sometimes, one leaves for good only to return when things have settled and the mind is refreshed. Probably not good to make a big deal about "gone forever," as one wouldn't want to be painted into a corner.

Make the best of the time we have here - enjoy what each other brings.

You obviously know of what you speak.
As a new member who never got the opportunity to chat with the General, but who enjoyed reading all his previous posts as a lurker, I look forward to his return someday. It will be my pleasure.

 

[disneyphilip]

It's probably best that General Grizz is gone. He was becoming HIGHLY intolerable with his constant flamings of many of the newer Disney attractions, persistent "call to arms", know-it-all attitude and his constant Chicken "the sky is falling" Little-like behaviors!

If you've checked out his latest update on D-troops.com regarding the CoP and Timekeeper, I must say that his so-called "sources" are VERY inaccurate and he's once again telling lies and taking what he hears as facts when the things that have been told to him are just opinions, rumors and pure speculation!

Grizz even goes so far as to think of that overrated hack Jim Hill as a reliable source, when those of us right-thinking people know that Jim Hill is VERY frequently inaccurate and makes things up just to get attention, just like General Grizz!

And worst of all, he always thinks of the littlest things as hints of things to come (such as the CoP being used as a trick-or-treat station for MNSSHP or the CoP logo not being rewritten outside the attraction in the new murals featuring Stitch's cousins in "Merchant of Venus"--he has falsely accused things like this as pointing towards the CoP leaving for good).

In the CoP's case, he should be more happy about the rolling rehab work that's taking place and stop thinking that it'll be torn down even after rolling rehab work is done--it's just not plausible.

Besides, another post on this board or somewhere else said that the show will be getting a rehab after they're done fixing the theaters at some point. Grizz should know about that and become happy rather than listen to ridiculous rumors brought up by unreliable sources!

I can understand Grizz's soft spot for the classic Disney attractions because I also love the classics as much as the next person, but people like Grizz and Jim Hill need to get lives and stop spreading such mass hysteria, because it's making people like me depressed and angry!

I'm sorry if I came off as snippy again, but I just had to get it out, so please forgive me, even though I very highly doubt that any of you will, because none of you have forgiven me in the past.

 

[wannab@dis]

I can understand Grizz's soft spot for the classic Disney attractions because I also love the classics as much as the next person, but people like Grizz and Jim Hill need to get lives and stop spreading such mass hysteria, because it's making people like me depressed and angry!

I'm sorry if I came off as snippy again, but I just had to get it out, so please forgive me, even though I very highly doubt that any of you will, because none of you have forgiven me in the past.

No need to apologize! There are many here that have quietly thought this way for a long time. The problem was the cubbies and troops seemed to drown everyone else out with the diatribes.

 

[Legacy]

No need to apologize! There are many here that have quietly thought this way for a long time. The problem was the cubbies and troops seemed to drown everyone else out with the diatribes.

Maybe the cubs will follow suit...

 

[KevinPage]

I never understand the "sob stories" when someone leaves. I get along fine with Grizz, spoof him in my avatars, talk to him on AOL IM, even though I don't agree with the way he goes about things. His heart is in the right place, just his TACT is way off IMHO.

If someone can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. If you are going to be very passionate about your point of view, EXPECT others to be just as passionate against you. That's a simple fact of life. The more you put yourself out there, the more open you are to criticism.

I'm not going to worry it someone leaves or not, it's out of my control.

On the flip side I never took anything Grizz said as malicious. Off the deep end and far fetched? YES, but never mean spirited and he never threw stones at people who disagreed with him. I prefer to just poke jabs at him and bust his chops over what I disagree with. Makes it more civil and fun

 

[MouseMadness]

If someone can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. If you are going to be very passionate about your point of view, EXPECT others to be just as passionate against you. That's a simple fact of life. The more you put yourself out there, the more open you are to criticism.

I think that is exactly what he did... he's not the first person who's needed a "break" from this website, and he won't be the last.

On the flip side I never took anything Grizz said as malicious. Off the deep end and far fetched? YES, but never mean spirited and he never threw stones at people who disagreed with him. I prefer to just poke jabs at him and bust his chops over what I disagree with. Makes it more civil and fun

Bingo... which is more than we can say for those who disagreed with him on more than one occasion.

Good post. :wave:

 

[that_L_do_pig]

On the flip side I never took anything Grizz said as malicious. Off the deep end and far fetched? YES, but never mean spirited and he never threw stones at people who disagreed with him. I prefer to just poke jabs at him and bust his chops over what I disagree with. Makes it more civil and fun

Thanks, now I don't have to type a reply... agreed

 

[Wilt Dasney]

I never understand the "sob stories" when someone leaves.

To be fair, Grizz just left. I didn't see any "This is it" threads or the like from him.

All the eulogizing and finger-pointing on his behalf have been from other folks (such as the originator of this thread).

 

[Shaman]

I think it has to be said...that some have to realize that people will have different opinions about different things...The anti-grizz people don't agree with his philosohpy so some go the extra mile and bash him (some don't)....and some of the grizz people...who have been lovingly refered to as..."cubs" or "cubbies" ( :lol: )...have a problem hearing a different opinion about matters and go out of their way to attack those who see things differently....

In the end even if people disagree they should at least respect each other and their opinions. We are all adults here.......well most of us anyways....









(just don't count the times in Disney, I don't act like an adult there...:lookaroun )

 

[Wilt Dasney]

I think it has to be said...that some have to realize that people will have different opinions about different things...The anti-grizz people don't agree with his philosohpy so some go the extra mile and bash him (some don't)....and some of the grizz people...who have been lovingly refered to as..."cubs" or "cubbies" ( :lol: )...have a problem hearing a different opinion about matters and go out of their way to attack those who see things differently....

Well-stated, my friend.

I think the unpleasantness and the personal comments have gotten out of hand on both sides. Grizz and I will never be best friends, because he runs too passionate and dramatic for my blood. But I respect him for believing in something strongly and found him to be a pleasant guy when we all used to have our regular AIM late-night chats. (He even talked about things other than DISNEY from time to time!)

 

[wannab@dis]

I think it has to be said...that some have to realize that people will have different opinions about different things...The anti-grizz people don't agree with his philosohpy so some go the extra mile and bash him (some don't)....and some of the grizz people...who have been lovingly refered to as..."cubs" or "cubbies" ( :lol: )...have a problem hearing a different opinion about matters and go out of their way to attack those who see things differently....

I just don't get the attack mentality that everyone seems to have concerning this issue. Very few "attacks" have been leveled against either side by the other. The biggest problem seems to be the ones that deem disagreement as an attack.

It's also strange that so many are willing to jump on a bandwagon that bashes attractions or projects before they are even completed. I also admire Grizz's devotion to the Mouse, but I don't understand his war-like mentality that seemed more detrimental to Disney magic than a few paint chips. Grizz has a philosophy that appears grand on the outside, but when you read more and really pay attention, the philosophy was badly overstated. He wanted everything perfect, but at the same time, he didn't want any progress. That lack of progressive thinking is where the tide turned and his pedestal was cracked. In fact, the refurb of The Land is where his pedestal collapsed.

I would like to see some of the philosophies espoused by Grizz to continue, but they need to be heavily diluted and should account for progression. They need to be less focused on paint chips and ceiling tiles and more focused on attention to overall magic. As someone has already said, he needs to be less like Chicken Little and his war-like scenario should be softened.

 

[Wilt Dasney]

I just don't get the attack mentality that everyone seems to have concerning this issue. Very few "attacks" have been leveled against either side by the other. The biggest problem seems to be the ones that deem disagreement as an attack.

I'm all for disagreement. This has gone beyond that, in my opinion. Labels like "cub" or "Chicken Little" aren't being used in a playful sense in these debates (to my perception anyway). They're used to demean the views of other folks and reduce them to caricatures.

That's just one example of how I think these discussions have gotten out of hand.

 

[wannab@dis]

I'm all for disagreement. This has gone beyond that, in my opinion. Labels like "cub" or "Chicken Little" aren't being used in a playful sense in these debates (to my perception anyway). They're used to demean the views of other folks and reduce them to caricatures.

That's just one example of how I think these discussions have gotten out of hand.

I don't agree. Using those labels is not an an attack. If that's the case, then the proclaimed "Troops" and "call to arms" is much worse! :wave: