Gran Fiesta Tour now open! Video here

DDuckFan130

DDuckFan130

Well-Known Member
The old El Rio was nice and educational, but there was no structure to it. It was obvious to start with Mayans, but then they go to a celebration of El Dia de Los Muertos? And then they go to something else? And then a carousel in Mexico City in the end?

There was nothing to follow in the previous version. It was just a bunch of locations/aspects of Mexico thrown in that would interest us.

With the new version, there is at least a story to follow and we see a lot of Mexico in the process, whether through their cultural celebrations or famous locales.

:shrug:
 
justducky78

justducky78

New Member
I can't even watch the video...I know it will just make me more upset. I cannot believe they took out the song and the carousel?

They've ruined/removed so many rides in Epcot. I'm so sad...:cry:
 
ToTBellHop

ToTBellHop

Well-Known Member
having an abstract, educational ride like the original did not work. If only 1% of your guests understand what different scenes symbolize, it is not a successful ride. Maybe people ought to research what they saw, but with the hundreds of rides at WDW, no one is going to remember to do that. How you teach is just as important (if not more) as what you teach, and it was not taught particularly well originally.

If you watch "Are You Smarter than a Fifth Grader?" you will understand why Disney feels a need to dumb-down the lessons in its educational attractions. The average person is, in fact, dumb. A triangle with three angles of 1 degree? ~snorts~
 
polarboi

polarboi

Member
I agree that this is a huge improvement. It's unfortunate that some of the educational aspects of the original were lost, but the sad truth is that, as others have pointed out, they just didn't work. Even here on WDWMagic, in a group of some of the most dedicated fans out there, most of us didn't understand the symbolism. And if the die-hard fans don't get it, you know the average guest doesn't either.

I think it's telling, too, that so many people have mentioned the street vendors as one of the most memorable aspects of the original ride. Disney was trying to educate us about Mexico and instead, many of us came away remembering being hassled by pushy street vendors trying to make a buck off of tourists. I don't think that's the sort of cultural appreciation Epcot is supposed to be about.

I think this version is vastly superior and is a positive step towards making the World Showcase side of Epcot feel fresh and engaging again.

-p.b. :cool:
 
B

Belle of WDW

Member
Thanks for the video! And add me to the list of people who think this is an improvement. The characters will help draw more guests to the ride, especially those who thought it was just a boring educational boat ride before.
 
Astronaut Jones

Astronaut Jones

New Member
The song is gone? awww dag nab it.... Well thanks for the video though, I kind of wish I didn't watch it but I figure I wouldn't have had the will power to truly avoid it. Besides the song missing it looks good, I'm excited to ride it, whenever that may be.
 
BwanaBob

BwanaBob

Well-Known Member
Oh my god.
I can't take it anymore...

I could NOT be an Imagineer.
Anything I could possibly do would not be good enough.

"Leave it alone, change a little, change the whole thing, change just this scene, leave that alone, spend a lot...no wait... just upgrade the lighting and audio, create an AA... well... you don't really need an AA... just tell the story..."


I'm sure the people who helped sponsor the place had input. Hell, they probably helped fund the refurb.


Video does this an injustice.
(just like trying to express yourself over a message board... things get taken the wrong way)
 
ToTBellHop

ToTBellHop

Well-Known Member
BwanaBob said:
Oh my god.
I can't take it anymore...

I could NOT be an Imagineer.
Anything I could possibly do would not be good enough.

"Leave it alone, change a little, change the whole thing, change just this scene, leave that alone, spend a lot...no wait... just upgrade the lighting and audio, create an AA... well... you don't really need an AA... just tell the story..."
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Ain't it the truth! Criticism can be good, though. Donald trying to sing the old song woulda been quite amusing though...
 
unkadug

unkadug

Follower of "Saget"The Cult
I downloaded the old version and the new version.

Opened them up in seperate viewers and watched both at the same time.

(turn the sound down unless you really enjoy cacophony):lol:


Besides being really neat to do, I found that I like the new version better.

It appears to me that they really didn't take out any of the educational aspects, it's just not so much in your face.
 
raven

raven

Well-Known Member
polarboi said:
I think it's telling, too, that so many people have mentioned the street vendors as one of the most memorable aspects of the original ride. Disney was trying to educate us about Mexico and instead, many of us came away remembering being hassled by pushy street vendors trying to make a buck off of tourists. I don't think that's the sort of cultural appreciation Epcot is supposed to be about.
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Kinda funny too. I enjoyed this part of the ride because that's exactly what I remember from my only trip to Mexico when I was 10 years old!
 
Connor002

Connor002

Active Member
BwanaBob said:
Oh my god.
I can't take it anymore...

I could NOT be an Imagineer.
Anything I could possibly do would not be good enough.

"Leave it alone, change a little, change the whole thing, change just this scene, leave that alone, spend a lot...no wait... just upgrade the lighting and audio, create an AA... well... you don't really need an AA... just tell the story..."


I'm sure the people who helped sponsor the place had input. Hell, they probably helped fund the refurb.


Video does this an injustice.
(just like trying to express yourself over a message board... things get taken the wrong way)
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Ah, so true.
You'd think it's impossible to do anything around here.
 
imagineer boy

imagineer boy

Well-Known Member
I never liked Rio, but I'll have to say that this wasn't much of an improvement. Maybe a little, but not much. Its just the same dumb ride only with the 3 Cabs slapped onto the video screens. The fact that they wasted a perfectly good oppertunity to throw in a few 3 Cab AAs and only relied on screen technology is just sad. They could've at least had a few AAs at the end, but no we're just stuck with a simple mural which makes the end of the ride feel REALLY cop out.

Now, the rehab isn't bad. Its not a complete stink bomb like SGE, but they really could've done so much more.
 
Connor002

Connor002

Active Member
imagineer boy said:
I never liked Rio, but I'll have to say that this wasn't much of an improvement. Maybe a little, but not much. Its just the same dumb ride only with the 3 Cabs slapped onto the video screens. The fact that they wasted a perfectly good oppertunity to throw in a few 3 Cab AAs and only relied on screen technology is just sad. They could've at least had a few AAs at the end, but no we're just stuck with a simple mural which makes the end of the ride feel REALLY cop out.

Now, the rehab isn't bad. Its not a complete stink bomb like SGE, but they really could've done so much more.
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Okay, here's something I'd like to point out:
Audio Animatronics do not equal a good ride.

In fact, imagineer boy (who doesn't seem to much respect the work of his namesakes) has illustrated this example perfectly. SGE has an amazing AA, yet the above poster refers to it as a "stink bomb" of an attraction.

I like screen technology. In fact, screen technology is able to accomplish what an AA never could (or at least, could not reasonable do). Example: how, using AAs, would you accomplish the flying carpet effect? Screen tech does this, not only easily, but more accurate to the original animation that you would see in the movie. Audio animatronics are impressive pieces of entertainment and equipment, but AAs for the sake of having AAs (when they would be inferior for the medium) is, frankly, stupid.
 
unkadug

unkadug

Follower of "Saget"The Cult
Connor002 said:
Okay, here's something I'd like to point out:
Audio Animatronics do not equal a good ride.

In fact, imagineer boy (who doesn't seem to much respect the work of his namesakes) has illustrated this example perfectly. SGE has an amazing AA, yet the above poster refers to it as a "stink bomb" of an attraction.

I like screen technology. In fact, screen technology is able to accomplish what an AA never could (or at least, could not reasonable do). Example: how, using AAs, would you accomplish the flying carpet effect? Screen tech does this, not only easily, but more accurate to the original animation that you would see in the movie. Audio animatronics are impressive pieces of entertainment and equipment, but AAs for the sake of having AAs (when they would be inferior for the medium) is, frankly, stupid.
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You know, Connor, that there's no pleasing some people! :rolleyes:
 

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