Go packers!!!!!!

Crazy Harry

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The packers were seeded 6th in the playoffs. Just barely made it into the playoffs by one victory. That is a fact. But any team can beat any team on any given day. The Seahawks made it into the playoffs with a losing record so that goes to show anything can happen! I think it's going to be a great game. I'm not going to tear down any team that made the Superbowl so I'm just going to sit back and enjoy the game and hope the best from the Steelers.

Yes, and they are the NFC champions having beaten the three best NFC teams on the road despite having many of their starters on IR, this is also a fact. While you could argue "any given sunday", three straight wins on the road against the three best teams, not to mention to wins prior to the playoffs to even qualify is more indicative of a quality team.

If seeding in the playoffs is so important, does this diminish the Steeler's AFC championship because they just barely beat the 5th and 6th seeds in Pittsburgh? :shrug:

The Seahawks are a really bad example. Unfortunetly, the way the playoffs are set up, someone from that aweful division had to make it. The Seahawks got in on a technicality as opposed to earning it.
 

plaz10

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I just said I am not questioning whether the Packers should/shouldn't be in the Superbowl, they made it. Good for them. But yes they were seeded 6th. That was my point. They can and have been beaten. Yeah the Steelers were able to be Superbowl champs at the same position. I just don't see the point in tearing down another team to make you feel good about your own. One team will win on Sunday. That teams fans will celebrate, while the others will move on. It's one game. It's a big one and yes I hope the Steelers win it. The Packers do deserve to be there by beating 2 1/2 good teams to get there (the 1/2 comes from the Bears and their 3rd string QB) I can admit other teams are good. But the Steelers deserve to be there too.

It's going to be a great game. And no matter how many insults one throws at the Steelers, it will not affect the outcome of the game. Hope everyone has a fun time watching on Sunday!!
 

Crazy Harry

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I love the Steelers and think they will take the game by a touchdown. Packers are a good team. They have a good defense and a good quarterback. But I'm not worried about their defense, in my mind the Ravens have the 2nd best defense (2nd to the Steelers, the stats don't lie) and we were able to beat the Ravens.

So yes Aaron Rodgers is a threat...but the Packers were ranked 6th in the NFC for a reason. And Rodgers high stats (IMO) are due to the lack of defense in the NFC.

Anything can happen and in the Superbowl it usually does. I think that two strong quarterbacks, 2 strong defenses and the 2 best fan bases results in a great Superbowl.

Actually, the Packers were ranked 2nd in the NFL for defense, and the Steelers haven't beaten them yet, and won't :p
 

plaz10

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The Steelers are the #1 defense in the NFL. That fact cannot be disputed. It's going to be a great game. I personally think that your greatest weapon is your QB and ours is our defense. I can say that I think the Steelers will win and you will say the Packers will win. Let's agree to disagree on who will win but we can agree that it's going to be a great game w/2 strong teams w/2 strong fan bases.
 

Crazy Harry

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I just said I am not questioning whether the Packers should/shouldn't be in the Superbowl, they made it. Good for them. But yes they were seeded 6th. That was my point. They can and have been beaten. Yeah the Steelers were able to be Superbowl champs at the same position. I just don't see the point in tearing down another team to make you feel good about your own. One team will win on Sunday. That teams fans will celebrate, while the others will move on. It's one game. It's a big one and yes I hope the Steelers win it. The Packers do deserve to be there by beating 2 1/2 good teams to get there (the 1/2 comes from the Bears and their 3rd string QB) I can admit other teams are good. But the Steelers deserve to be there too.

It's going to be a great game. And no matter how many insults one throws at the Steelers, it will not affect the outcome of the game. Hope everyone has a fun time watching on Sunday!!

Yes, the Packers were the 6th seed, this is true, but that alone is not a point, there has to be a motive for bringing it up in the first place. You said that the Packers were the 6th seed for a reason. What you were really saying is that the Packers are not as good of a team because they just barely got into the playoffs and the NFC defenses are not good allowing Rodgers to score more, which basically is tearing down the team. You don't see the point and yet you are doing it. It has no relevance to the game because either team can win any given Sunday. Your same style of logic can be used to illustrate that the Steelers are not as good as they appear, which I have already done. But this makes no difference because both teams are equal. Both are division champions and both are in the Superbowl. Reasons can be pointed out why one may win over the other, but they are just reasons.

And just for the record, the 3rd string QB was actually playing better than Cutler.
 

Crazy Harry

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The Steelers are the #1 defense in the NFL. That fact cannot be disputed. It's going to be a great game. I personally think that your greatest weapon is your QB and ours is our defense. I can say that I think the Steelers will win and you will say the Packers will win. Let's agree to disagree on who will win but we can agree that it's going to be a great game w/2 strong teams w/2 strong fan bases.

Why are you so impressed by rankings? The Steelers have a good defense, but just like you can down play Aaron Rogers's offensive ability based on the NFC's lack of defense (although this was disproven in a previous post), the Steeler's defense can be downplayed based upon the caliber of offense the Steeler's have played throughout the season.
 

plaz10

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The only reason I continue to talk about rankings is because you will not give the Steelers their due. I am complimenting your QB and defense. I can admit when other teams are good, and the Packers are good. They made it to the Superbowl having to play some tough teams on the road. I'm not trying to take that away from the Packers at all. The Steelers deserve the same respect. I'm not arguing w/stats against the Packers to put them down but to prove that the Steelers also belong in the Superbowl.
 

Crazy Harry

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The only reason I continue to talk about rankings is because you will not give the Steelers their due. I am complimenting your QB and defense. I can admit when other teams are good, and the Packers are good. They made it to the Superbowl having to play some tough teams on the road. I'm not trying to take that away from the Packers at all. The Steelers deserve the same respect. I'm not arguing w/stats against the Packers to put them down but to prove that the Steelers also belong in the Superbowl.

That's funny, but you said that GB was the 6th seed 'for a reason' (6th seed being a ranking) before I entered into the conversation, an eroneous ranking mentioned over and over again which would appear to have nothing to do with the Steelers or 'giving them their due'. The number 1 defense was only mentioned after this. I mentioned several times that GB is #1 in the conference just like the Steelers, but you wanted to ignore this fact and stick with the 6th seed rant.

The only time I critisized Pittsburgh was in context to the critisms made about GB. It was claimed that Atlanta only made it to the playoffs because they had an easy schedule, seemingly invalidating GB's win over the #1 seed, so I disproved that myth and used Pittsburgh's ease of schedule for comparison. You made it a point to emphasize the playoff seeding to suggest lower seeds were inferior teams, so I asked if it was then valid to say Pittsburgh was not as good of a team because they narrowly defeated the 5th and 6th seed (a statement I don't believe but one that would be valid if it is valid that GB is not as good because they were the sixth seed). You said that Aaron Rodgers only has good stats because he plays against bad defenses (another false statement disproven), so I then asked if it is valid to say the Steeler's defense is not good because they played more bad offenses (a statement which is true occording to the stats). So, I never said these things were true but rather valid within the context of arguments you were making against GB.

So, how does saying GB was the 6th seed for a reason and saying Aaron Rodgers is only good because he plays bad defenses prove Pitt deserves to be in the Superbowl? How do these statements compliment any part of the team in any way? :shrug: Stop trying to dance around the facts or this will drag on longer than nessisary because I will continue to call you out on it. You can't say you didn't do/say something when it is in black and white on the same page.

My take on it is both teams are #1 in their conference and deserve to be in the Superbowl. The steelers got their wins in the reg season, so earned a easier spot in the playoffs. The Packers just barely sqeaked in and thus had a much more difficult road, forcing them to play their best ball in the playoffs. They are both good teams, you can use stats and intangibles to argue who might win, but we don't know and that's the fun of watching.
 

sublimesting

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Haha yeah I think I did hear that he died. The Steelers may have more Lombardi's, but they have a lot of catching up to do in the Championship category.


The only Champiuonship that matters is the Superbowl...no one remembers the losers or the Division or Conference winners. And in that regard, it is the Packers who have a lot of catching up, even if they win Sunday.
 

Ralphlaw

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Please, people, calm down, it's just a game. A game with mortal players simply there to do their best. A game in which winning will certainly make certain players a bit happier -- and probably millions of dollars richer, I guess. A game in which winners will ride down main Street USA, and visit Billy Dee Obama in the Rose Garden. A game written in sports legends that few will truly remember or care about in 50 years. A game with a victory parade back home, a few souvenirs sold, and stories around the pool table and lunch counter.

A game in which entire cities will reap monetary benefits, from bond issues, tourism, new hotels, restaurants, and an uptick in global perception as a place to be. (Is it any coincidence that two very depressed cities, Detroit and Buffalo, have lousy pro football teams? Or that the entire State of Wisconsin entered an economic rennaisance after Ron Wolf, Mike Holmgren, Brett Favre and Reggie White brought a winning legacy back to the Dairy State?)

A game in which the losing communities will dive down into a collective funk, resulting in fights, drunkenness, police intervention, and slightly higher mortality rates at local hospitals and nursing homes. A game after which fans of the losing team will jump from bridges, deploy agents of mass destruction, and search the local army surplus stores for automatic weaponry. A game in which the victors will be hailed as laurel wreathed Caesars crossing the Rubicon to imperial glory, while the Carthagenian losers will die in the salted fields of their famished homeland.

Yes, it's just a game, and our society is paying far more attention to it than the crisis in Egypt, the snowstorms, the federal deficit, and the state and local political decisions resulting from huge economic shortfalls. No, this is not just a game, with a bunch of reckless musclemen chasing a ball and clobbering the guts out of each other. It's life, it's happiness, it's glory, it's the Culmination of 266 prior games, and over 800 hours of televised violence. It's prayers from the pulpit clothed in words of safety and pride, but really wanting victory for our gridiron angels over the heathens from that other evil city. It's Lombardi, Lambeau, Hutson, Starr, Hornung, Davis, and Desmond against Rooney, Noll, Bradshaw, Ham, Mean Joe, Franco, Swan, Lambert, and the Bus.

It's waking up and knowing that we're here, where few others have ever gone, to be the best in the ultimate contest of man against man, team against team, and city against city. It hearkens back to a time of Odyseyed battles on the shores of ancient Greece, where even wars were halted for the games at Olympus. Where men competed to stand before the adulation of men and gods alike. Where prowess in Roman coliseums encompassed life and death struggles to the sacrificial altars of entire civilizations. No, this is life, the apex of our American centuries, and nobody, and I mean nobody, can call it just a game.

No sir, this is it, the top, the greatest achievement of humankind, and I really want to see Aaron Rogers alongside Mickey riding down Main Street, with a turkey leg in my hand and elation in my heart. That, my friends, will be a moment worth remembering.
 

dr_teeth90210

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NO MEANS NO!
GO PACK GO!
 

MUTZIE77

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The only Champiuonship that matters is the Superbowl...no one remembers the losers or the Division or Conference winners. And in that regard, it is the Packers who have a lot of catching up, even if they win Sunday.

Well I wasnt talking about Conference championships. I was talking about NFL championships, you know before they called it the Super Bowl, and the Packers have 12.
 

sublimesting

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Well I wasnt talking about Conference championships. I was talking about NFL championships, you know before they called it the Super Bowl, and the Packers have 12.

The first 3 were simply determined by winning percentage and the league had far fewer teams then. Most people go by Superbowls.
 

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