meeko_33785
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There's also Aladdin in Adventureland, Goofy's Jamboree in Frontierland, and Circle of Life and Honey I Shrunk the Audience in EPCOT that are now in areas where character-themed attractions were not previously located.
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Get Over It!
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There's also Aladdin in Adventureland, Goofy's Jamboree in Frontierland, and Circle of Life and Honey I Shrunk the Audience in EPCOT that are now in areas where character-themed attractions were not previously located.
Cool.
I was brought up on Disney. I'm spending my own money there now and will spend my future family's money there.
My previous trips are what keep bringing me back.
Now if there was nothing there that I enjoyed, I wouldn't be going back.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that what the youngsters of today want is what Disney seems to be leaning toward.
If they don't enjoy their time there now, it's going to be harder to sell them on Disney when they are grown and have children.
That's why I think Universal is poised to be huge in the next decade or so (they have what seems like the majority of the teenagers today want).
PhotoDave219
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Originally posted by Dr Albert Falls
"Dr. Albert Falls" is an obscure Disney theme park reference. Does anyone know what its from???
Jungle cruise. The famous Schweizer falls were named for him. (Shoutout to Cruise Skipper Mandy!)
PhotoDave219
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Well, i think that the K over in Tiki Room could have bene fixed with Stitch. Woulda drawn more people to that side of the park, been more entertaining, etc. Woulda went back to the Hawaiian theme and the like and gotten rid of Gilbert Godfried.
As for TLS.... its in DIRE need of a paint job and some upkeep. I think if you give it a nemo theme, it will draw more people plus gain some popularity. Its not like TLS is going to go away as we know it, its just going to have a slightly different flavor - Much needed IMO.
All in all, the imagineering book that was put out a few years back referred to creating new characters within the theme parks. I'd like to see that maintanined, rather than them leaving.
But my good Doctor, you've got a good point. It doesnt matter what they do, we're still gonna go back.
darthdarrel
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Well I`m gunna chime in with my 2 cents worth,yes change is good in most respects,but their are some rides that are "CLASSICS" that Disney himself had a hand in making that you just CANNOT change and those being It`s a small world, The Haunted Mansion and The pirates of the Caribean, yes you can make small changes like the Pirates being more "PC" AKA the man chasing the woman or Updated AA`s, but totally change them or get rid of them,that would be a disaster! ANd Disney knows this and that is why they have not touched them! Heck The Tiki room "UNDER NEW MANAGEMENT" is bassically a flop I have been there 3 times and I hardly ever see anyone in there,not that it doesn`t have it`s busy days.
foxfire
Active Member
Sorry for the edit of the original post---didn't want mine to be too long...
Like many, I miss Horizons, WoM, etc. I feel very fortunate to have experienced these & other rides before they were replaced/updated. I got to see Mission to Mars back in the 80's, as well 3 different versions of If You Had Wings, and CoP before the 90's update.
Yes, WDW has to keep with the times and there are valid arguments on both sides. After all, if, for example, Universal didn't open IOA then they'd probably be hurting for guests and couldn't compete with all the offerings of WDW...they knew they had to cater to the public's needs.
Disney has to do this as well. It's a shame that someday down the road my kids will never know Dreamfinder, Skippy, and whoever else departs the parks in the next 10 years or so. The only way I can experience the bygone rides are through pictures & video, but of course, it's not the same.
Disney has pulled off a lot since 1971. Some ideas worked well better than others; that's the case with anything new. I give them credit for trying, even though we might not agree with all their ideas. As far as "complaining" about lost rides, I don't think it's all griping and moaning. The only way these rides can live on is in our memories, and I for one am proud to recall all my trips to WDW and these rides. May they live on forever in our hearts.
darthdarrel
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Not to mention, not every"UPDATE" sits well with the "PUBLIC" it`s all a gamble, Look at JII2 It was a total "FLOP" Everyone hated it! So muich so they had to up date it again and bring figment back! :lol: They outcry was too great for Disney! 
aim
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Originally posted by darthdarrel
Not to mention, not every"UPDATE" sits well with the "PUBLIC" it`s all a gamble, Look at JII2 It was a total "FLOP" Everyone hated it! So muich so they had to up date it again and bring figment back! :lol: They outcry was too great for Disney!
haha, that's true! So many people complained about JII2, that they had to change it. I for one, was SO glad that they had to change again. Figment was not represented well in JII2.
But, as I said in my original post, JII2 was just ONE strikeout in a series of home runs (The New Tiki Room may have been another)
I don't know HOW you can judge a "trend" of failure with only these two examples.
I don't know HOW you can judge a "trend" of failure with only these two examples.
Scooter
Well-Known Member
FYI
If memory serves me correctly, JII2, although there WAS a public outcry about how bad it was, wasn't changed because of popular demand...
...JII was changed because after it reopened as Journey into YOUR imagination, Micheal Eisner rode it, then got off and pretty much said it sucked and told imagineers to redo it.
That's the story I heard anyway.
If memory serves me correctly, JII2, although there WAS a public outcry about how bad it was, wasn't changed because of popular demand...
...JII was changed because after it reopened as Journey into YOUR imagination, Micheal Eisner rode it, then got off and pretty much said it sucked and told imagineers to redo it.
That's the story I heard anyway.
darthdarrel
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BUt if you think about it,what good replacements have they made recently?
Yes test track is good,any others? They put a dumbo type ride in adventureland...WOOHOO!
To tell you the truth,I`m all for new rides,but why do they have to tear down old ones to do it, Disney has so much land yet untouched,heck they have enough land to build 5 more theme parks,if they so choosed to.
darthdarrel
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But why did he ride it in the first place?
It was cause he wanted to see what everyone was complaining about.
dxwwf3
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Well I've tried to stay out of this forum but I can't hold it in anymore :lol:
Dr. Albert Falls, While you make some great points I honestly don't see how you have the power to tell us all to shut up when all most of us were trying to do is save our favorite attraction. Just imagine if they decided to shut down the Jungle Cruise (I assume it's your favorite ride since you don't list one in your profile) and they turned the Jungle Cruise into a new Tarzan kids play area. How would you honestly feel? Or just picture if your favorite attraction (if it isnt Jungle Cruise) suddenly was going to be torn down and you weren't very happy about it. I am sure you would be complaining about it too. And you have every right to complain and be mad. Listen, to some of us (ok most of us :lol: ) these Disney theme park attractions are like old friends that you go to see a couple of times a year. These parks and attractions mean alot to me and when my favorite (or best friend if you want to use my analogy ) gets replaced or "dies" it hurts. I know that it is just a ride or just a show but when you get attached to something like that it is hard to let go.
I know change is usually good and alot of people are looking forward to Stitch Escape so I can see where you are coming from but you have to see where we are coming from. I feel like my favorite attraction is being replaced by a kiddie show. That is just how I feel and I think I have the right to complain about it. I can see why alot of people are really looking forward to seeing the new show but I can have my opinion too can't I? I don't know maybe your favorite Disney attractions don't mean as much to you as they do to me. And if that's the case I guess there is no way you can understand where I'm coming from.
Dr. Albert Falls, While you make some great points I honestly don't see how you have the power to tell us all to shut up when all most of us were trying to do is save our favorite attraction. Just imagine if they decided to shut down the Jungle Cruise (I assume it's your favorite ride since you don't list one in your profile) and they turned the Jungle Cruise into a new Tarzan kids play area. How would you honestly feel? Or just picture if your favorite attraction (if it isnt Jungle Cruise) suddenly was going to be torn down and you weren't very happy about it. I am sure you would be complaining about it too. And you have every right to complain and be mad. Listen, to some of us (ok most of us :lol: ) these Disney theme park attractions are like old friends that you go to see a couple of times a year. These parks and attractions mean alot to me and when my favorite (or best friend if you want to use my analogy
) gets replaced or "dies" it hurts. I know that it is just a ride or just a show but when you get attached to something like that it is hard to let go. I know change is usually good and alot of people are looking forward to Stitch Escape so I can see where you are coming from but you have to see where we are coming from. I feel like my favorite attraction is being replaced by a kiddie show. That is just how I feel and I think I have the right to complain about it. I can see why alot of people are really looking forward to seeing the new show but I can have my opinion too can't I? I don't know maybe your favorite Disney attractions don't mean as much to you as they do to me. And if that's the case I guess there is no way you can understand where I'm coming from.
AriBelle23
New Member
Originally posted by dxwwf3
Well I've tried to stay out of this forum but I can't hold it in anymore :lol:
Dr. Albert Falls, While you make some great points I honestly don't see how you have the power to tell us all to shut up when all most of us were trying to do is save our favorite attraction. Just imagine if they decided to shut down the Jungle Cruise (I assume it's your favorite ride since you don't list one in your profile) and they turned the Jungle Cruise into a new Tarzan kids play area. How would you honestly feel? Or just picture if your favorite attraction (if it isnt Jungle Cruise) suddenly was going to be torn down and you weren't very happy about it. I am sure you would be complaining about it too. And you have every right to complain and be mad. Listen, to some of us (ok most of us :lol: ) these Disney theme park attractions are like old friends that you go to see a couple of times a year. These parks and attractions mean alot to me and when my favorite (or best friend if you want to use my analogy
I know change is usually good and alot of people are looking forward to Stitch Escape so I can see where you are coming from but you have to see where we are coming from. I feel like my favorite attraction is being replaced by a kiddie show. That is just how I feel and I think I have the right to complain about it. I can see why alot of people are really looking forward to seeing the new show but I can have my opinion too can't I? I don't know maybe your favorite Disney attractions don't mean as much to you as they do to me. And if that's the case I guess there is no way you can understand where I'm coming from.
I HEAR YA!!!!!!! I have been going to wdw for the last 6 years and I have completely fallen in love with many many attractions and shows! I really did love AE, and Im very glad I got to see it one last time in June, I think the Stitch idea is cool, but I definitely think it shouldn't be changed...but in any case, I completely understand where everyone is coming from when they are complainging/reminissing about their favorite attractions. Like what if Tower of Terror was replaced...or even the theme was replaced, or something along those lines, I would be absolutely devested and be in the exact position and a lot of people are now. Just thinking about Fantasy in the Sky being replaced is kinda weird for me. I LOVED that show. I am sure Wished will be even more magical, but it still is hard thinking this show I have seen for the last 6 years will be gone.
I also think that no one on this forum had any right whatsoever to say "get over it!" ...I think he was just looking for a huge argument but that statement. If he really felt he needed to voice his opinion about others voicing their opinions, there were soo may nicer words he could have used. That is the main reason why I had to throw my 2 cents in. Being a teacher you learn to listen to everyone and understand that everyone is right in their own way and that no one needs to "get over" anything, if it means that much to someone, you have no right telling them otherwise. These boards are to relive Disney happiness and magic and to be reminiscing about old attractions (friends to some us
...not to argue like most of these forums turn into. So talk about your favorite attractions all you want people, this is what this website is all about
Don't let someone else tell you otherwise.Thanks!
AriBelle23
New Member
oh wow-i appologize for the spelling errors and funny words that might not make sense...oops! long day I guess :lol:
Originally posted by darthdarrel
BUt if you think about it,what good replacements have they made recently?
Yes test track is good,any others? They put a dumbo type ride in adventureland...WOOHOO!
To tell you the truth,I`m all for new rides,but why do they have to tear down old ones to do it, Disney has so much land yet untouched,heck they have enough land to build 5 more theme parks,if they so choosed to.
Aladdin wasn't a replacement for any attraction. It replaced walkway (although needed).
Also I think MS is a good replacement as well. I think Philharmgic will be consider a good/great replacement as well.
For kids, I think they would much prefer Pooh to Mr. Toad.
So it is not ok to tell someone to shut up and get over it, but it's ok to tell someone to let others have an opinion and not to bother them with dissenting ones?
The Dr.'s opinion is for everyone to realize that things change and they aren't coming back. While not voiced with the best choices of words, it's his opinion.
But basically he gets told to shut up and not tell others what to do. Aren't these people doing the same as he?
For the most part, the discussion has been civil.
The Dr.'s opinion is for everyone to realize that things change and they aren't coming back. While not voiced with the best choices of words, it's his opinion.
But basically he gets told to shut up and not tell others what to do. Aren't these people doing the same as he?
For the most part, the discussion has been civil.
MouseMadness
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Originally posted by turkey leg boy
But basically he gets told to shut up and not tell others what to do. Aren't these people doing the same as he?
Oh shut up brent.
I'M KIDDING! I'M JUST KIDDING! :lookaroun The discussion has been much more civil than I thought it would be. You guys are great. 
MKCustodial
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Well, I don't know if this will make sense to you, but hear me for a minute. Both sides of the argument have made good points. But even though Disney may have the Guest's opinion "in mind", sometimes it's hard for us, big fans, to hear many opinions from regular guests.
Well, I recently bought "Since The World Began". I haven't started reading it yet, but it's sitting nicely on the coffee table just teasing me. :lol: Anyways, my mom saw it today and started flipping through it, just glancing at pictures since she doesn't understand English. The last time she's been to WDW was January 1995. So she sees Blizzard Beach, ToT, Downtown Disney and the Marketplace, AK, stuff like that, you know, and then she gets to a point where familiar pictures started popping up. And she goes "oh, I remember this one" and "this one was nice". And I was like "well, they're gone, Mom." She was pointing to pics of Horizons, WoM and Kitchen Kabaret. Then she got to the MK section and I went on telling her that Mr. Toad closed and there's no more 20K and no more Legend of the Lion King, and kinda told her briefly what replaced all of those things she remembered. She closed the book, looked at me and said "yeah, I guess the magic is ending up there." Now mind you, this is coming from someone who's a casual Guest, she's been to WDW 3 times, she's no die-hard Walt-is-God Disney fan.
I just wanted to share this little tale that just happened, like, 20 minutes ago, to show those people that, yeah, change is good, but Disney should at least try to do it while mantaining the spirit of whatever they're replacing, kinda like Lion King - PhilharMagic. If they keep going the way of the teenager because "that's what the audience is asking" they'll soon regret their decision because they'll be just another Six Flags...
I suppose the bottom line is, if you lie something, voice why you like it so much. And if you don't like it, you should have the chance to tell people why is that, even it's just "I liked the old one better." Like someone here said, if Mr. Toad was the first attraction I ever visited on WDW, I'll hate whatever took its place, no questions asked. Tastes are different, and opinions are supposed to be heard in a discussion forum.
Well, I recently bought "Since The World Began". I haven't started reading it yet, but it's sitting nicely on the coffee table just teasing me. :lol: Anyways, my mom saw it today and started flipping through it, just glancing at pictures since she doesn't understand English. The last time she's been to WDW was January 1995. So she sees Blizzard Beach, ToT, Downtown Disney and the Marketplace, AK, stuff like that, you know, and then she gets to a point where familiar pictures started popping up. And she goes "oh, I remember this one" and "this one was nice". And I was like "well, they're gone, Mom." She was pointing to pics of Horizons, WoM and Kitchen Kabaret. Then she got to the MK section and I went on telling her that Mr. Toad closed and there's no more 20K and no more Legend of the Lion King, and kinda told her briefly what replaced all of those things she remembered. She closed the book, looked at me and said "yeah, I guess the magic is ending up there." Now mind you, this is coming from someone who's a casual Guest, she's been to WDW 3 times, she's no die-hard Walt-is-God Disney fan.
I just wanted to share this little tale that just happened, like, 20 minutes ago, to show those people that, yeah, change is good, but Disney should at least try to do it while mantaining the spirit of whatever they're replacing, kinda like Lion King - PhilharMagic. If they keep going the way of the teenager because "that's what the audience is asking" they'll soon regret their decision because they'll be just another Six Flags...
I suppose the bottom line is, if you lie something, voice why you like it so much. And if you don't like it, you should have the chance to tell people why is that, even it's just "I liked the old one better." Like someone here said, if Mr. Toad was the first attraction I ever visited on WDW, I'll hate whatever took its place, no questions asked. Tastes are different, and opinions are supposed to be heard in a discussion forum.