Get Over It!

[Hank Scorpio]

Originally posted by mkepcotmgmak
wow

i def. believe that disney must spend money to make money, and that they are doing! i am more excited now than ever about all the new additions to the parks... it only makes me want to come back quicker - which is disney's main concern, and reason for all the additions.

while i will miss AE - it will be nice for a change... i have seen four or five times and will welcome a new attraction. as far as bringing disney characters into the shows - well... its disney. it was all started by a mouse, not an alien trying to break out of a theater, or singing birds...sometimes i feel like they should leave the 'classics' alone, but at the same time, us die-hard disney fans probably make up only 5% or less of wdw park goers... and by die hard, i mean people willing to debate this topic on a forum on the world wide web, not just annual passholders, or those who visit disney once a year or so...

anyway - like spaceship earth - i love this attraction! i will miss it greatly when it is gone... but - let disney make something new - you never know what you will get out of it! epcot is thought of by most guests (not us die hards mind you) as a boring, nothing to do, half a day park - mission:space and soarin will help greatly, but let disney get on a role. if they want to take the ball completely down and make a new icon for the park - its new - change is good. i hate the hat at MGM - i didn't like them changing that icon - but you know what - a lot of people like it and i am probably in the minority of folks who do not, so, i just remember that it is disney and like it anyway.

i think Dr. Falls is right, but i am one of those who misses old attractions, but at the same time, i know that the parks cannot stay the same, if walt were alive, we would probably lose attractions faster than we are now, becuase walt was ALL ABOUT making new things, and trying new technology, that is how we got disneyland in the first place... what if disneyland still had all the same attractions today that it had in 1955? no one would go probably.

just remember, we love disney because it is disney - not becuase of one attraction, or even 5 attractions. do you go to the MK just to ride alien encounter and then go home? - me neither.

hey guys - have a great week - monday is almost over!:sohappy:

I couldn't have put it better myself

 

[Goofyfanatic]

Although I miss some classic attractions such as Horizons and WOM...I think those were smart moves and will increase attendence...But I question the reason for the Stitch encounter change...I beleive the only reason for this change is to give them a reason to sell more stitch merchandise...I don't beleive it was an unpopular attraction...I have seen some people on these boards dislike it...but the majority of the people I knew thought it was wildly original..and these are not your disney nuts...these are your average ordinary theme park visitors...every time I have visited the attraction there was a line...anyway I apologize if this has been said already..I answered without reading the other replys..I just feel this may be a mistake...if they want to improve it they could probably just spend a lot less money tweaking the special effects.

 

[Scooter]

It's TRUE... Mr. Disney's "Philosophy" was indeed to create Clean, Fun-filled Parks for the whole FAMILY to enjoy.

It's ALSO true that his "Philosophy" was to MAKE MONEY.

The Walt Disney Company hasn't changed EITHER Philosophy to date as far as I can see.

The parks are still alive with happy smiling people still eager to spend their hard earned cash...except now they do it in the Test Track, Rock N Roller Coaster, Winnie The Pooh, and Tower of Terror gift shops.

I miss the old rides too...especially World of Motion and Horizons.

So I think everyone should join me in a moment of silence for the Rides that are no longer with us...and we can only hope that they are in that Big Theme Park in the sky where old and unpopular rides go. Then we should all ride all the NEW rides that the great Disney Imagineers have made for us and be thankful that we HAVE a Place like Disney World for our familys to enjoy.

There's nothing wrong with someone saying.. "Golly...I sure miss Mr Toad"..or "Gee Whiz...I sure wish the Original Tiki Bird Show was back." ...

...But lets not DWELL on it our whole lifetime people.

While some people are complaining about old rides that are gone,
My family and myself are looking FORWARD to the future rides and exhibits that Disney is creating, and riding and enjoying the replacement rides that are there now.

No one, including myself, wants to see a ride or Pavillion shut down...because there is always someone who Cherished that particular ride or it made a precious memory for them. If it were up to me, there would be giant Theme Park for old Disney Rides. However, if I was a Disney Excecutive, I would keep doing what Disney is doing..and that is trying to please the Majority of the people, and at the same time make a little money for the Stockholders.

Disney World has always been...and STILL IS a magical place...
...some of it has changed...and as people all know, change is sometimes hard to deal with.
It's always hard to say good bye to old friends..but as they leave and we go on in life, lets look forward to making and embracing NEW friends.

 

[Shaman]

Originally posted by mkepcotmgmak
i think Dr. Falls is right, but i am one of those who misses old attractions, but at the same time, i know that the parks cannot stay the same, if walt were alive, we would probably lose attractions faster than we are now, becuase walt was ALL ABOUT making new things, and trying new technology, that is how we got disneyland in the first place... what if disneyland still had all the same attractions today that it had in 1955? no one would go probably.

just remember, we love disney because it is disney - not becuase of one attraction, or even 5 attractions. do you go to the MK just to ride alien encounter and then go home? - me neither.

It is not the fact that we're losing an attraction some are looking at the bigger picture, the pattern...look at all the rides that have been replaced rides like Horizons and WoM have not been replaced with rides of substance. M:S and TT are just thrill rides without the backbone of stories.

Another factor to look at is the character invasion of the parks...while it seems ok...it really shows a lack of Disney willing to pay what is necessary to come out with creative, story based attractions.

PotC is a great example...it is a classic...with a story and which got made into a movie...a HIT movie as a matter of fact. I'd rather see that trend of story-ride-movie than a full out character invasion.

I'm all for thrills...as long as there's an intelligent story behind the whole attraction.

But hey thats just my opinion. :animwink:

:hammer:

 

[Dr Albert Falls]

FYI-- the purpose of opening this thread was NOT to quash criticisms. Sorry if I gave that impression. The open sharing of ideas and opinions is what makes these boards a fun place to visit! I was just voicing an opinion that tends to get lost in the overwelming negativity--- the opinion that Disney still knows how to create magic.

Another FYI-- I'm amazed at how respectful and polite people are, referring to me as "Doctor" (your parents raised you well!) But I need to clarify-- I'm not REALLY a doctor!!!!!!!

"Dr. Albert Falls" is an obscure Disney theme park reference. Does anyone know what its from???

 

[mkepcotmgmak]

Originally posted by objr
It is not the fact that we're losing an attraction some are looking at the bigger picture, the pattern...look at all the rides that have been replaced rides like Horizons and WoM have not been replaced with rides of substance. M:S and TT are just thrill rides without the backbone of stories.

Another factor to look at is the character invasion of the parks...while it seems ok...it really shows a lack of Disney willing to pay what is necessary to come out with creative, story based attractions.

PotC is a great example...it is a classic...with a story and which got made into a movie...a HIT movie as a matter of fact. I'd rather see that trend of story-ride-movie than a full out character invasion.

I'm all for thrills...as long as there's an intelligent story behind the whole attraction.
But hey thats just my opinion. :animwink:

:hammer:

while i do agree with some of this - you also have to remember with the "character invasions" that this is what most guests want. have you ever taken the poll/survey at the parks? there are cms walking around with clipboards asking guests to fill these things out... this is one of the main reasons we got Buzz Lightyears Space Ranger Spin - becuase people wanted more characters in tomorrowland...
i do understand what you mean though, that disney should come up with original stories for rides and such - maybe that is where Mission:Space, Expedition Everest, and possibly Soarin fit into... oh, and philharmagic, and the new Wishes is even supposed to tell a grand tale. - but you also have to go with what is popular and what makes money! - stitch is very popular! he will please MANY families in the MK - toy story was and still is very successful - people want more of it - hence, BLSRS and the new dancin show at the old Golden Horseshoe...
but Exp. Everest is not going to have Mickey hiking up the mountain (i don't think) and I do not believe that on Soarin we will be flying next to Mary Poppins on her umbrella...

 

[mrtoad]

Originally posted by Dr Albert Falls


"Dr. Albert Falls" is an obscure Disney theme park reference. Does anyone know what its from???

No clue as to where it is from.

My only suggestion would be to not come off as telling people what to do. Saying "get over it" does not sound too different from "get a life".

As I stated in my post. I think it is good to let everyone voice their opinion. In which case it would be better for you to state, "I think chage is good and this is why...".

Then again, you have started a good debate. :lol:

 

[meeko_33785]

I agree with Doc Falls on this one. I do think it it's perfectly alright to miss old attractions and to fondly remember them and cherish their memory, but I do think it is taken far too overboard by some fans. Demanding that attractions like Tiki Room, Imagination, and Horizons should be returned to their original forms is a rediculous request. These attractions in their original form (with the possible but still highly debatable exception of JII) are not what today'saudience are looking for. People are different than they were in the 1960s and 80s and they want different entertainment that catters to them, such as Mission: SPACE or Under New Management. These are fun, contemporary, but still has a Disney spirit to them.

As for the "character invasion", I think that we will be seeing more of this at MK. As we continue to build up the parks, I think that MK will become the character park, which, IMO, is not a bad thing. I love the characters. To me, they are Disney. I think that it is a smart move that Disney is now integrating their known winners like Buzz Lightyear, Stitch, Aladdin, and Lion King into the other lands of the Magic Kingdom. With these characters and themes in place, the attractions should be winners and popular in the scheme of things. Does this mean that every attraction in MK should be character themed? Definatly not. Does that mean that all the lands could settle for a few character and movie-themed crossover attractions. Yes. Stitch, I think, will be just fine.

So to all of you who loudly spin yarns of the "fabulous" Horizons in the queue for Mission: SPACE hoping to encite anger in other guests, to those who say nasty things to Nigel Channing as you ride through the Imagination Institute, and to you who enjoy peeling green paint off of the Winnie the Pooh facade to reveal the lavender paint underneath (I've seen you do it), I shall reiterate Dr. Albert Falls previous comment.... get a life. :sohappy:

 

[mrtoad]

Originally posted by mkepcotmgmak
stitch is very popular! he will please MANY families in the MK

I agree that that is true. I also agree that as much as I like AE, that it loses something after the first time because you image quite a bit in the ride.

One thing that I do not know if it has been discussed on the boards before it this. The average family that goes to WDW, probably does it every 3 years or longer. Most people don't have the money to go every year or every other.

Because there are such large gaps in when people go back to WDW, they might only experience a certain ride 3 or 4 times ever. Which seems like ver few to me.

I have done AE probably 5 or 6 times. I would have liked to do it again before it is gone.

 

[mrtoad]

Originally posted by meeko_33785

As for the "character invasion", I think that we will be seeing more of this at MK. As we continue to build up the parks, I think that MK will become the character park, which, IMO, is not a bad thing. I love the characters. To me, they are Disney. I think that it is a smart move that Disney is now integrating their known winners like Buzz Lightyear, Stitch, Aladdin, and Lion King into the other lands of the Magic Kingdom. With these characters and themes in place, the attractions should be winners and popular in the scheme of things. Does this mean that every attraction in MK should be character themed? Definatly not. Does that mean that all the lands could settle for a few character and movie-themed crossover attractions. Yes. Stitch, I think, will be just fine.

So to all of you who loudly spin yarns of the "fabulous" Horizons in the queue for Mission: SPACE hoping to encite anger in other guests, to those who say nasty things to Nigel Channing as you ride through the Imagination Institute, and to you who enjoy peeling green paint off of the Winnie the Pooh facade to reveal the lavender paint underneath (I've seen you do it), I shall reiterate Dr. Albert Falls previous comment.... get a life. :sohappy:

I agree with you that the Magic Kingdom will become the Character park so to speak. It kind of already is. I have no problem with that at all. And I agree saying things like "bring back _____" are going to work and I don't say things like that. I do though say I miss this or I miss that and I think that is OK. I see nothing wrong of expressing your feelings.

As for whay you say about the Mission Space que, saying nasting things at the Imagination Institute are just dumb, why ruin it for everyone else.

And what you said about peeling paint at Winnie the Pooh, that is just wrong (non you are wrong for saying that but people are wrong for doing that). There is no other way to put it. It is wrong on several levels. Just because someone is a paying customer or miss Mr. Toad does not give you the right to do stuff like that. People like that make me angry.

If someone does not like a particular attraction, don't go on it. It is that simple.

 

[mkepcotmgmak]

Originally posted by Dr Albert Falls
FYI-- the purpose of opening this thread was NOT to quash criticisms. Sorry if I gave that impression. The open sharing of ideas and opinions is what makes these boards a fun place to visit! I was just voicing an opinion that tends to get lost in the overwelming negativity--- the opinion that Disney still knows how to create magic.

Another FYI-- I'm amazed at how respectful and polite people are, referring to me as "Doctor" (your parents raised you well!) But I need to clarify-- I'm not REALLY a doctor!!!!!!!

"Dr. Albert Falls" is an obscure Disney theme park reference. Does anyone know what its from???

jungle cruise?

 

[meanmice]

Trying to stay neutral

I will admit that I too have had my fill of hearing people say that M:S or TT or Pooh are... well... pooh because they replaces rides that were beloved. I do, however, also understand that if you remember Mr. Toad as the first thing you rode on your first trip to Disney you are going to miss it. There are some that have already been mentiond that you feel that quality rides were replaced with thrill rides. There are some that feel the recent quality of rides has deminished, but I disagree. I do enjoy TT and I looked forward to my first ride on M:S. Sadley, I do not have the momories of Horizons and WoM that others have as the only time that I was able to experiance them was when I was 7. I understand your feelings and your are allowed your opinions. Please understand my feelings and allow me mine. Thus the circle of discussion boards continues.

 

[mrtoad]

Re: Trying to stay neutral

Originally posted by meanmice
I will admit that I too have had my fill of hearing people say that M:S or TT or Pooh are... well... pooh because they replaces rides that were beloved. I do, however, also understand that if you remember Mr. Toad as the first thing you rode on your first trip to Disney you are going to miss it. There are some that have already been mentiond that you feel that quality rides were replaced with thrill rides. There are some that feel the recent quality of rides has deminished, but I disagree. I do enjoy TT and I looked forward to my first ride on M:S. Sadley, I do not have the momories of Horizons and WoM that others have as the only time that I was able to experiance them was when I was 7. I understand your feelings and your are allowed your opinions. Please understand my feelings and allow me mine. Thus the circle of discussion boards continues.

very well put.

 

[Dr Albert Falls]

mkepcotmgmak--- you got it right! (I didn't think it was THAT obscure!)

On the Jungle Cruise, Schweitzer Falls is named after that famed humanitarian....Dr. Albert Falls.

Just some more thoughts--

Some have referred to this "character invasion" as a "trend".

The only TREND I see is the continued success of churning out popular, awe-inspiring attractions.

I'll give you "Under New Management" as being another Disney strikeout. But again, in a game of home runs, it's forgivable. It's NOT a "trend".

In terms of "character invasion", let's see, there was "Under New Management", "Buzz Lightyear's Space Ranger Spin" (I don't know how you could doubt the popularity of this, not to mention its improvement over previous attractions in that building.) And "Stitch Invasion". OK, I'll give you the rumored "Nemo's Living Seas".

That's four. Hardly an "invasion". Certainly not a "trend".

 

[mkepcotmgmak]

Originally posted by mkepcotmgmak
jungle cruise?

come on, anybody, anyone... is this right... im dying to know.. lol:brick:

EDIT - nevermind... we must have been typing at the same time... lol

 

[Shaman]

Originally posted by Dr Albert Falls
That's four. Hardly an "invasion". Certainly not a "trend".

Everything has a beginning...and hopefully in this case...an end.

:zipit: :brick:

 

[mrtoad]

Originally posted by Dr Albert Falls

I'll give you "Under New Management" as being another Disney strikeout. But again, in a game of home runs, it's forgivable. It's NOT a "trend".

In terms of "character invasion", let's see, there was "Under New Management", "Buzz Lightyear's Space Ranger Spin" (I don't know how you could doubt the popularity of this, not to mention its improvement over previous attractions in that building.) And "Stitch Invasion". OK, I'll give you the rumored "Nemo's Living Seas".

That's four. Hardly an "invasion". Certainly not a "trend".

You are right it was a strikeout with people who saw the old ones. But kids still do like the new one.

I have done Buzz only once. I did enjoy "If you had wings" back in the day. But I did find Buzz fun.

Regardless, kids love the characters and that is important. I am taking my daughter next year for her first ever trip. If she likes It's a Small World and wants to do it over and over. We will do it, because I want her to be happy. I will try to limit the times we do it, but regarless I want her to have a good time.

And that is what WDW is all about. Everyone having a good time.

There is something for everyone, no doubt.

 

[TURKEY]

If Splash Mountain was orignially just a log flume ride (or sepearate theming), then later after a few years had the Brer Rabbit/Song of the South theme added, would you complain about how adding a character in it was bad?


I don't remember much of anything that was before Timekeeper, AE, or Buzz. Mostly because I'm only 22. Although I remember Mr. Toad, WoM, Horizons (last trip prior to 01 was 92). I miss WoM and Horizons. However I love MS and TT is still pretty enjoyable.

I think once Stitch opens (and done right) that a large majority of the people will only remember it and not prior incarnations.

 

[mrtoad]

Originally posted by turkey leg boy
If Splash Mountain was orignially just a log flume ride (or sepearate theming), then later after a few years had the Brer Rabbit/Song of the South theme added, would you complain about how adding a character in it was bad?


I don't remember much of anything that was before Timekeeper, AE, or Buzz. Mostly because I'm only 22. Although I remember Mr. Toad, WoM, Horizons (last trip prior to 01 was 92). I miss WoM and Horizons. However I love MS and TT is still pretty enjoyable.

I think once Stitch opens (and done right) that a large majority of the people will only remember it and not prior incarnations.

Before Timekeeper there was a movie called CircleVision 360 Degrees. It was similar in the fact that you stood and watched a movie all around you. There was no animitronics at all. It was a neat movie, but as a kid you would have rather been on a ride.

Alien Encounter was Mission to Mars and prio Mission to the Moon. It was OK at best in my opinion.

Buzz was if If You Had Wings and then Dreamflight (I think that was the name). It was a ride through a bunch of movie screens. I dug if you had wings.

 

[DisneyFan 2000]

I am a big fan, but I could hear some people from my group trip to the U.S.A. getting out of epcot and asking "why aren't there coasters?". Those same people later chose to go to IOA. Although classics are good disney has to keep up with visitors, not with classics!

To add new rides they need to make money, to make money they need guest opinions! If guest opinions are coasters and thrills that is what is going to be for the time being! Sure, there will always be family rides but if a majority says thrills then thrills it is!

In future years where there will be enough thrills for guests they will go back to classic material! I am a disneyholic that is why I can understand you classic lovers but the near future says thrills! We will have to settle for that for the meanwhile! (Although most thrills are soooo much better than six flags ones so I can't see why we are complaining? Would you preffer they go even cheaper as to stop adding theming?)