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Disney Irish

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I have no problem with Kathy Kennedy…I have a problem with bad Star Wars

That stance will never change
And this is where I honestly think most of the fandom is, it’s only a really small percentage that has any angry vitriol toward Kennedy herself. Which is why I don’t think really many care if she is attached or not, they only care if it’s good.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

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I have no problem with Kathy Kennedy…I have a problem with bad Star Wars

That stance will never change
She is so intertwined with all the recent failures I’m not sure most people will ever be able to disassociate her from bad Star Wars.

It wasn’t that long ago many were celebrating Disney buying SW because they had lost faith in Lucas himself to make a decent SW movie.

Once someone gets a reputation for making bad movies it’s a hard thing to overcome, I don’t think she has time, even with a contract extension, to put out enough high quality SW to overcome all the bad SW content she’s overseen.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
It wasn’t that long ago many were celebrating Disney buying SW because they had lost faith in Lucas himself to make a decent SW movie.
That was me. 100%
I just wasn’t here. I thought it was the wisest move that could be made.
I was totally wrong
Once someone gets a reputation for making bad movies it’s a hard thing to overcome, I don’t think she has time, even with a contract extension, to put out enough high quality SW to overcome all the bad SW content she’s overseen.
She was never a talent agent though…she was a very effective lieutenant.

The problem is who installed that awful braintrust and got these directors who didn’t really live it? It seems like corporate mandate…and that’s not on her.
She worked on some of the biggest movies of the blockbuster era that had Star Wars at its beginning. She knows what crap looks like. The rest of TWDC doesn’t seem to.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Someone should decide to make something good then

Their approach/philosophy isn’t working
Easier said than done. It’s not like they intentionally go out of their way to make something that many fans don’t like.

Also I think they know their approach isn’t working, which is why they’ve taken so long to release another movie.

Long story short, if it was so easy to just make “good” SW that all fans would like then George would have kept the franchise and done it himself. But even he couldn’t do it after the OT. I don’t even think his ST treatment would have been praised by fans.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Easier said than done. It’s not like they intentionally go out of their way to make something that many fans don’t like.

Also I think they know their approach isn’t working, which is why they’ve taken so long to release another movie.

Long story short, if it was so easy to just make “good” SW that all fans would like then George would have kept the franchise and done it himself. But even he couldn’t do it after the OT. I don’t even think his ST treatment would have been praised by fans.
I think they backed themselves into a corner

Nowhere really to go. Don’t have the old stuff to rely on and nothing much new has stuck

In retrospect…they probably should have done one off movies first and then maybe gone back to episodes?

Hindsight is a devil
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
I think they backed themselves into a corner

Nowhere really to go. Don’t have the old stuff to rely on and nothing much new has stuck

In retrospect…they probably should have done one off movies first and then maybe gone back to episodes?

Hindsight is a devil
Maybe, but I don't see a reason why anything new can't work.... It just takes a willing creative team (something I think they're trying) and a willing fan base (something that is iffy right now).

My personal feelings of Disney SW content aside, I think Mando/Grogu will be the test of both the creative team and fan base to see if Disney SW can be successful moving forward.
 

erasure fan1

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She has to release a movie on par with Empire to warrant any respect? That is some high bar setting.
You have to follow the conversation back. I'm not saying that at all. The point was, I was told if Disney released a star wars movie this weekend on par with the OT, no one would really care it was Kennedy. So I said, and Disney could make a new original IP dark ride. Meaning, fat chance. Sure it could happen, but the odds are it won't. It's like when someone says something to you, and then you say, yea and I could win million dollars.

My whole point is if Kennedy is infact a lame duck president. Just cut bait. What point is throwing her name on the next saga chapter? Anyone paying attention can see she is a mixed bag with the fans. Start fresh when she's gone. I'm not sure why that's a controversial take. Also, do you think whoever takes over for her really wants to be hamstrung with someone else's ideas? So why start and have another failure to launch?
 

erasure fan1

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I have no problem with Kathy Kennedy…I have a problem with bad Star Wars

That stance will never change
And that's my problem with her. I don't believe she understands the brand or how to run a franchise. I take nothing away from her career. First ballet hall of fame as a producer. But just because Michael Jordan was the best player in history, doesn't mean he can coach the team.
And this is where I honestly think most of the fandom is, it’s only a really small percentage that has any angry vitriol toward Kennedy herself.
Agreed. But you don't have to have vitriol and hate to say, yea I haven't been a fan of her work, I'm going to sit this one out. My stance is well documented. Just because I think she's wrong for star wars doesn't mean I have all this anger and vitriol for her. Sure I've lost a lot of respect for her personally with how she's treated the original fans and how she's let lucasfilm run amuck all over social media. But I don't hate her.
She is so intertwined with all the recent failures I’m not sure most people will ever be able to disassociate her from bad Star Wars.
Yup. So why bother? Just start fresh. It just makes the most sense in my opinion.
Once someone gets a reputation for making bad movies it’s a hard thing to overcome,
Exactly. Would anyone really take a new Joel Schumacher Batman seriously?
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Agreed. But you don't have to have vitriol and hate to say, yea I haven't been a fan of her work, I'm going to sit this one out. My stance is well documented. Just because I think she's wrong for star wars doesn't mean I have all this anger and vitriol for her. Sure I've lost a lot of respect for her personally with how she's treated the original fans and how she's let lucasfilm run amuck all over social media. But I don't hate her.
Its one thing to say you're not a fan of her work, which I can understand, its another to say that people won't show up just at the mere sight of her name on screen. That is hatred, that is vitriol.
 

erasure fan1

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Its one thing to say you're not a fan of her work, which I can understand, its another to say that people won't show up just at the mere sight of her name on screen. That is hatred, that is vitriol.
Oh come on now. This is a bad take even for you. If what you took away from what I said is hatred and vitriol, your agenda is clear. You are more than misrepresenting what I said. But I think you know that. I really hope you're getting paid from lucasfilm because otherwise wow.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Oh come on now. This is a bad take even for you. If what you took away from what I said is hatred and vitriol, your agenda is clear. You are more than misrepresenting what I said. But I think you know that. I really hope you're getting paid from lucasfilm because otherwise wow.
You're misunderstanding my point, I'm not speaking about you specifically, just speaking in generality.

If someone can't even go watch a film because her name is splashed on the screen for 3-5 seconds even when she doesn't have anything to do with it, that is hatred and vitriol. That is not letting the content stand on its own, that is just hating on something just because she happens to be given a producer credit. That would be like me saying, I'm not going to watch anything with Avi Arad's name associated with it because I hated emo Tobey in Spider-Man 3.

Also I don't get paid one bit from Disney, LFL, Marvel, or any other company associated with TWDC, and you know it. Now who has a bad take.
 

sedati

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I will say, the prequels were only had to deal with critics, insurmountable nostalgia, and maladjusted man-babies.
Everything since has not only that going against it, but also a culture war and a greater geopolitical war where global influence is fought via social influencers seeking to destroy content, brands, companies and whole countries.
 
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erasure fan1

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If someone can't even go watch a film because her name is splashed on the screen for 3-5 seconds even when she doesn't have anything to do with it, that is hatred and vitriol. That is not letting the content stand on its own, that is just hating on something just because she happens to be given a producer credit.
But that's just it, of course they can. So if you go to a restaurant and order something, and you don't like it, do you never go back? Maybe. You might just go back and order something different. Once you've determined you don't like the chefs style, odds are you'll never go back. You might be willing to try again if there's a new chef. And there's probably very little chance of you going if they open a new restaurant from the same chef. Hate and vitriol is not seeing the chefs name on the sign and saying, nope, I'm not eating there. That's just a normal acceptable behavior to have.

Hate and vitriol would be going in anyway, ordering your meal, then screaming at the chef and calling him names... I've never denied there are people who do go to extreme with how they talk about Kennedy. But I just don't think what you are describing is anything of the sort.
Also I don't get paid one bit from Disney, LFL, Marvel, or any other company associated with TWDC, and you know it. Now who has a bad take.
It was ment to be a bad take because of your wording. Your post reads as a total knock on me because of what I said and my opinion. If it wasn't, I apologize.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
But that's just it, of course they can. So if you go to a restaurant and order something, and you don't like it, do you never go back? Maybe. You might just go back and order something different. Once you've determined you don't like the chefs style, odds are you'll never go back. You might be willing to try again if there's a new chef. And there's probably very little chance of you going if they open a new restaurant from the same chef. Hate and vitriol is not seeing the chefs name on the sign and saying, nope, I'm not eating there. That's just a normal acceptable behavior to have.
Your analogy doesn't work here as she isn't the chef. She would be like the manager of the restaurant in this case. So that would be like avoiding going to all restaurants that just happen to have been managed by the same person in the past just because their name happens to be listed as associated restaurant (even if they aren't even with the company anymore) when you've never stepped foot inside or tried the food. If that is normal acceptable behavior (and I don't believe it is), then I'm sorry to say we're lost as a fandom and there might never be anything that can be done to get it back.

Hate and vitriol would be going in anyway, ordering your meal, then screaming at the chef and calling him names... I've never denied there are people who do go to extreme with how they talk about Kennedy. But I just don't think what you are describing is anything of the sort.
Hate and vitriol doesn't have to be verbal, it can be done in silence out in public but flaming online.

It was ment to be a bad take because of your wording. Your post reads as a total knock on me because of what I said and my opinion. If it wasn't, I apologize.
It wasn't meant to be a knock against you. "You're" in my post was meant as a royal "you're" and not specifically you. And while I disagree with your opinion I don't think you have hate.
 

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