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[Sirwalterraleigh]

I guess we'll see what happens once Kennedys contract is up in a month or so. Or is it?...................

It's an interesting thing to have come out this close to the end of her contract. And to have her name attached to as producer. Sure a producer title can be changed, but why not just leave that part unknown? Is this a play to stay? I hope not. If Disney is smart, all projects except mando go away. Once new leadership is in, then you can start a new road map.

Oh yeah…lots of “new, great people” are coming…I’m sure

It’s interesting…but the fallout data from the “minor” events of this week in the US is drawing a direct link back to Disneys business decisions/approach and more specifically…Star wars

 

[Disney Irish]

I guess we'll see what happens once Kennedys contract is up in a month or so. Or is it?...................

It's an interesting thing to have come out this close to the end of her contract. And to have her name attached to as producer. Sure a producer title can be changed, but why not just leave that part unknown? Is this a play to stay? I hope not. If Disney is smart, all projects except mando go away. Once new leadership is in, then you can start a new road map.

Her current contract as president of LFL and her getting a producer credit on this or any other future SW project aren't inextricably tied together. She can and probably will still be a producer once she leaves LFL, just as she was prior to being named president. Just like Amy Pascal is still producer of the Spider-Man and other Sony movies even though she is no longer with Sony.

 

[erasure fan1]

Oh yeah…lots of “new, great people” are coming…I’m sure

It’s interesting…but the fallout data from the “minor” events of this week in the US is drawing a direct link back to Disneys business decisions/approach and more specifically…Star wars

I'm not sure if there's great people out there. I am sure this leadership isn't answer. So I'd personally rather roll the dice on a new group, than ride continue down the tracks with this bunch.

 

[networkpro]

If Kennedy continues, they might as well call all the films "What went wrong in the Skywalker family this time"

 

[erasure fan1]

Her current contract as president of LFL and her getting a producer credit on this or any other future SW project aren't inextricably tied together. She can and probably will still be a producer once she leaves LFL, just as she was prior to being named president.

Like I said, thing's can change. But the big issue, and more my point, is this. Is a new trilogy, that is tied to the sequels, and has Kennedys name on it, going to bring in the fans who have felt burnt by her lucasfilm? Seems like a tone deaf strategy. If anyone likes her, that's fine. But at this point, it's not really debatable that she's fractured the fan base. Disney is going to Disney so there's not much we can do about it. But I have to think, the best strategy is to separate the brand from Kennedy completely.

 

[Disney Irish]

Like I said, thing's can change. But the big issue, and more my point, is this. Is a new trilogy, that is tied to the sequels, and has Kennedys name on it, going to bring in the fans who have felt burnt by her lucasfilm? Seems like a tone deaf strategy. If anyone likes her, that's fine. But at this point, it's not really debatable that she's fractured the fan base. Disney is going to Disney so there's not much we can do about it. But I have to think, the best strategy is to separate the brand from Kennedy completely.

We don't know a lot at this point, so all of this is speculation, something I know we all like to do around here. But none of us know anything.

Also is the fandom really that fractured and unwilling at this point that the mere sighting of her name splashed on screen will have them turning away if she isn't even involved? I really find that hard to believe. As has been shown this year alone from Disney, content rules everything and good content packs them in. So as long as its a good SW movie I don't think anyone is going to care one bit about her name being splashed on screen.

 

[erasure fan1]

Also is the fandom really that fractured and unwilling at this point that the mere sighting of her name splashed on screen will have them turning away if she isn't even involved?

Unequivocally yes. I'm not talking about the normies, but even they are mostly indifferent to the brand. There's a huge contingent of hardcore fans that are really unhappy with what she's done with star wars. And as long as she's there, I don't see them fully supporting something from her.

I really find that hard to believe. As has been shown this year alone from Disney, content rules everything and good content packs them in. So as long as its a good SW movie I don't think anyone is going to care one bit about her name being splashed on screen.

While I mostly agree that good quality packs them in. But star wars has an apathy problem. Andor was very high quality, yet people didn't watch. Acolyte was abysmal and very few cared about it once it was done. Even the first 2 episodes in the grand scheme of things had mediocre at best numbers. Maybe skeleton crew will kill it and bring in mando season 1 numbers. I have my doubts but we'll see.

Sure, if they hit a massive home run with the first film, maybe they win some back. But that's a huge maybe. If the mando film is great, that will help for sure. You need those hard core fans going to the theater 2, 3, 4 times. And it's a star wars film that's going to most likely cost 300mil or more. You can't afford a solo like performance. And it's going to be an uphill battle without ta large portion of the fan base.

 

[Disney Irish]

Unequivocally yes. I'm not talking about the normies, but even they are mostly indifferent to the brand. There's a huge contingent of hardcore fans that are really unhappy with what she's done with star wars. And as long as she's there, I don't see them fully supporting something from her.

As I said I find that hard to believe from the overall fandom that they can't even look at her name on screen or won't show up if its even hinted her name will be there. As she still gets cheers and applause at Celebration. If there was such disdain toward her as you say they would just boo her off the stage. I'm not saying she is some favorite or anything, but I really think its overblown the hate toward her and fans are so unhappy that they can't even stand to see her name on screen for 3-5 seconds.

While I mostly agree that good quality packs them in. But star wars has an apathy problem. Andor was very high quality, yet people didn't watch. Acolyte was abysmal and very few cared about it once it was done. Even the first 2 episodes in the grand scheme of things had mediocre at best numbers. Maybe skeleton crew will kill it and bring in mando season 1 numbers. I have my doubts but we'll see.

Sure, if they hit a massive home run with the first film, maybe they win some back. But that's a huge maybe. If the mando film is great, that will help for sure. You need those hard core fans going to the theater 2, 3, 4 times. And it's a star wars film that's going to most likely cost 300mil or more. You can't afford a solo like performance. And it's going to be an uphill battle without ta large portion of the fan base.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see if this trilogy even becomes a thing. But I have to think if its good people will show up, no matter who's name is attached.

And I hope Skeleton Crew surprises you.

 

[Phroobar]

Unequivocally yes. I'm not talking about the normies, but even they are mostly indifferent to the brand. There's a huge contingent of hardcore fans that are really unhappy with what she's done with star wars. And as long as she's there, I don't see them fully supporting something from her.

While I mostly agree that good quality packs them in. But star wars has an apathy problem. Andor was very high quality, yet people didn't watch. Acolyte was abysmal and very few cared about it once it was done. Even the first 2 episodes in the grand scheme of things had mediocre at best numbers. Maybe skeleton crew will kill it and bring in mando season 1 numbers. I have my doubts but we'll see.

Sure, if they hit a massive home run with the first film, maybe they win some back. But that's a huge maybe. If the mando film is great, that will help for sure. You need those hard core fans going to the theater 2, 3, 4 times. And it's a star wars film that's going to most likely cost 300mil or more. You can't afford a solo like performance. And it's going to be an uphill battle without ta large portion of the fan base.

I'll go see the Mando movie once but definitely not 2-4 times like I usually see every other SW film. I even saw the TLJ three times and I don't even remember why. So many aliens in Canto Bight that Hasbro will never make.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Like I said, thing's can change. But the big issue, and more my point, is this. Is a new trilogy, that is tied to the sequels, and has Kennedys name on it, going to bring in the fans who have felt burnt by her lucasfilm? Seems like a tone deaf strategy. If anyone likes her, that's fine. But at this point, it's not really debatable that she's fractured the fan base. Disney is going to Disney so there's not much we can do about it. But I have to think, the best strategy is to separate the brand from Kennedy completely.

Does anyone really want these movies?

No.

And as a reminder: Hollywood makes movies people don’t want all the time.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I'll go see the Mando movie once but definitely not 2-4 times like I usually see every other SW film. I even saw the TLJ three times and I don't even remember why. So many aliens in Canto Bight that Hasbro will never make.

…I assume you lost a bet.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

This skeleton crew looks even more awful than usual

It actually has Erkel in it.

 

[erasure fan1]

As I said I find that hard to believe from the overall fandom that they can't even look at her name on screen or won't show up if its even hinted her name will be there. As she still gets cheers and applause at Celebration. If there was such disdain toward her as you say they would just boo her off the stage. I'm not saying she is some favorite or anything, but I really think its overblown the hate toward her and fans are so unhappy that they can't even stand to see her name on screen for 3-5 seconds.

As you and others have told me, the people who go to celebration are a very positive skewing crowd. So of course she's not going to get booed. I have seen plenty of times she's been on stage where the response is tepid at best. The people who dislike her generally aren't spending thousands to go to a big Disney event for star wars.

Remember that a big chunk of what makes a film go huge, is multiple viewings. And a big chunk of that is usually the hardcore fan. And when a sizable chunk of those fans don't want what Kennedy is selling, it can mean trouble.

And I hope Skeleton Crew surprises you.

I do too. If people I trust think it's really good I'll get Disney plus back once the season has dropped completely so I can watch it. Otherwise I'll just wait to see it when there's enough new stuff for us to watch.

 

[Phroobar]

This skeleton crew looks even more awful than usual

It actually has Erkel in it.

I'm hoping for a space pirate Erkel figure. But we are getting this

 

[erasure fan1]

Does anyone really want these movies?

No.

And as a reminder: Hollywood makes movies people don’t want all the time.

Come on, I'm sure tens of people really want it.

This skeleton crew looks even more awful than usual

It actually has Erkel in it.

As long as his character blows something up and then turns to the camera and says "did I do that?" I'm cool with it.

 

[Disney Irish]

As you and others have told me, the people who go to celebration are a very positive skewing crowd. So of course she's not going to get booed. I have seen plenty of times she's been on stage where the response is tepid at best. The people who dislike her generally aren't spending thousands to go to a big Disney event for star wars.

Remember that a big chunk of what makes a film go huge, is multiple viewings. And a big chunk of that is usually the hardcore fan. And when a sizable chunk of those fans don't want what Kennedy is selling, it can mean trouble.

Whether I personally said its a positive crowd or not doesn't matter, if she was as derided a figure as has been claimed many times here she would be booed even by the crowd at Celebration.

Again I think the hate toward her is overblown. For example if this weekend they released a SW movie on par in terms of quality with any of the OT movies no one would care that Kennedy had her hand in it. Quality silences all the critics, or at least that is what I've been told many times by you and others in various threads. I know many don't trust she can do that, and maybe she can't, but again that doesn't matter if its a quality product especially once she leaves.

I know think distance from Kennedy solves many things. I just think it doesn't matter who is involved only the product released. I'll give IO2 and Deadpool and exhibits A and B, many thought that Pixar and Marvel were dead and couldn't be saved, well those two movies released this year proved that wrong as they beat everything else, and one became the highest grossing rated R movie of all time and the other the highest grossing animated movie of all time.

So the moral of the story, whether her name is attached as producer or not won't matter if what ever is released is a quality product.

I do too. If people I trust think it's really good I'll get Disney plus back once the season has dropped completely so I can watch it. Otherwise I'll just wait to see it when there's enough new stuff for us to watch.

One month to go, we'll see how it goes.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Celebration is really a Disney event now more than a con.

I mean…the goofy parking lot being next door every year should kinda tip you off.

They made 3 awful movies…some of the worst ever. With a philosophy that continues to be rejected.

So now you make more?
Star Wars fans aren’t as gullible as Disney fans who buy afterhours. That’s the split. They are not the same

 

[erasure fan1]

For example if this weekend they released a SW movie on par in terms of quality with any of the OT movies no one would care that Kennedy had her hand in it.

And Disney could open a new original dark ride like haunted mansion or pirates next year. It's possible but probably won't happen until Iger is gone. So if Kennedy releases a star wars film on par with empire, You can have all the I told yous that you would like.

Whether I personally said its a positive crowd or not doesn't matter,

It matters because there is zero chance that those fans boo her. I've been heavily invested in star wars since the release of a new hope. If she cane on stage and I was there, I would never boo her. And I think she's been worse for star wars than jar jar. I'm at the top of the list for people who want her gone yesterday. But I still wouldn't boo her.

Not every fan is toxic like this board proclaims. Most of us can go to an event, celebrate the things we like, while at the same time not see the next thing because we don't like the current direction. Normies won't care, they'll go if it looks like a fun adventure. The casual fan to hardcore fan are split weather you want to acknowledge it or not. And if a large chunk of the people who are unhappy decide not to go, it's going to be a problem. We'll get a clearer picture once we know 100% what this film is about. Something tied to the sequels, with Kennedy attached, good chance it underperforms.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I have no problem with Kathy Kennedy…I have a problem with bad Star Wars

That stance will never change

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

And Disney could open a new original dark ride like haunted mansion or pirates next year. It's possible but probably won't happen until Iger is gone. So if Kennedy releases a star wars film on par with empire, You can have all the I told yous that you would like.

She has to release a movie on par with Empire to warrant any respect? That is some high bar setting.

Lets not forget George Lucas himself never found a way to reach those heights again.

There seems to be a lot of negativity already towards a movie that is a long ways away from even existing.