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[erasure fan1]

The same can be said about fans on the internet who think they know better.

True, but random fans on the internet aren't paid millions to make these decisions. It was a 100% conscious decision to go the way they did.

And if you notice they have been slowly drawing on the EU and turning some elements into canon with their own spin on them. I suspect we'll see more of that as time goes on.

Sure they have, but I was pointing out the fact that they consciously ignored it with the sequels. Sure you could say live and learn. But that damage has been done. Marvel did a fantastic job adapting stories from the comics for the MCU. Kennedy either chose to ignore it, or she's extremely stupid. I'm betting on it was an ego play as she's to storied of a producer to be that dumb.

This is what I meant by problematic. The question and the deeper issue would always be if you can get fans on-board with any new direction post-Skywalker saga. This would have been the case even if the ST didn't cause division in the fandom.

I don't think so. If last Jedi doesn't split the fandom (exactly the way Rian wanted) and the original characters were the focus. And the sequels were considered great, the transition would have been fine. Especially going to an era like knights of the old republic. A story that is considered one of the best in the franchise by most all who know it.

Isn't this what the Mangold film is suppose to be about?

No. I'm talking about knights of the old republic. That is a time where the Jedi order is established as well as the sith. Set about 4000yrs before the originals. The framework is there for a fantastic series of films.

 

[Disney Irish]

True, but random fans on the internet aren't paid millions to make these decisions. It was a 100% conscious decision to go the way they did.

Maybe, but you always have the fans on the internet who think they know better than the authors themselves just because its different than what they built up in their mind. You saw it when the PT was released even though they were created by the original author of the entire universe.

Sure they have, but I was pointing out the fact that they consciously ignored it with the sequels. Sure you could say live and learn. But that damage has been done. Marvel did a fantastic job adapting stories from the comics for the MCU. Kennedy either chose to ignore it, or she's extremely stupid. I'm betting on it was an ego play as she's to storied of a producer to be that dumb.

Screen Rant did a whole thing showing all the EU stuff that made it into canon even in the ST -

Star Wars: Everything From Legends That Disney & Lucasfilm Have Made Canon

When Disney bought Lucasfilm, they made the old EU non-canon. But since then, a lot of these legends have come back...

screenrant.com

Sure maybe they didn't go full on EU Live Action, but even if many don't realize it they they are picking and choosing elements to bring in. This is similar to how the MCU is doing it in my opinion, as they pick and choose what to use and modify things as needed from the comics. But yes I agree they have done it far better than LFL.

I don't think so. If last Jedi doesn't split the fandom (exactly the way Rian wanted) and the original characters were the focus. And the sequels were considered great, the transition would have been fine. Especially going to an era like knights of the old republic. A story that is considered one of the best in the franchise by most all who know it.

I disagree. I think there was always going to be the issue of fan drop off as you're ending an era for a several generations of fans. The MCU, while a shorter timeline, has had that same problem post-End Game in my opinion. We can talk about the quality and quantity of content in Phase 4/5, but there was always going to be a drop off due to the Infinity saga ending.

No. I'm talking about knights of the old republic. That is a time where the Jedi order is established as well as the sith. Set about 4000yrs before the originals. The framework is there for a fantastic series of films.

I guess in my mind the Mangold movie would incorporate some of that to act as a jumping off point into the Old Republic if successful.

 

[erasure fan1]

Sure maybe they didn't go full on EU Live Action, but even if many don't realize it they they are picking and choosing elements to bring in. This is similar to how the MCU is doing it in my opinion, as they pick and choose what to use and modify things as needed from the comics. But yes I agree they have done it far better than LFL.

They've done more so with characters than story. They're trying to bring in story elements now but it's tuff since they ignored the eu through the sequels. That's why the past is a better way to go in my opinion. No baggage from the Skywalkers to deal with.

I think there was always going to be the issue of fan drop off as you're ending an era for a several generations of fans. The MCU, while a shorter timeline, has had that same problem post-End Game in my opinion.

Yes, you can always expect a drop-off. But the sequels were 3 movies not 20 plus like the infinity saga. Of course the MCU was going to have some burnout. Lets say the sequels were as loved as phase one of the MCU. I have no doubts another trilogy would have done just fine.

I guess in my mind the Mangold movie would incorporate some of that to act as a jumping off point into the Old Republic if successful.

It sure could. That's why I said earlier in the thread that the dawn of the Jedi should have been the next film. It could very easily lead into the old republic and end with the knights of the old republic story. Focus on this, a well thought out trilogy. Not dabble into 4 different films to see what sticks.

 

[Disney Irish]

They've done more so with characters than story. They're trying to bring in story elements now but it's tuff since they ignored the eu through the sequels. That's why the past is a better way to go in my opinion. No baggage from the Skywalkers to deal with.

We should give them credit and applaud them when they do things "we" want, like incorporating elements from the EU. Yes its not full on stories brought to live action, but its far better than just completely disavowing them as if they didn't exist.

Yes, you can always expect a drop-off. But the sequels were 3 movies not 20 plus like the infinity saga. Of course the MCU was going to have some burnout. Lets say the sequels were as loved as phase one of the MCU. I have no doubts another trilogy would have done just fine.

There is a lot of assumption in there, I just don't have the same faith in the fandom as you do apparently.

It sure could. That's why I said earlier in the thread that the dawn of the Jedi should have been the next film. It could very easily lead into the old republic and end with the knights of the old republic story. Focus on this, a well thought out trilogy. Not dabble into 4 different films to see what sticks.

I guess we'll see what happens over the next year or so. Or maybe it all get cancelled and we get more D+ shows....

 

[erasure fan1]

We should give them credit and applaud them when they do things "we" want, like incorporating elements from the EU.

I do give them some credit for things we want. I've been a big supporter of Mando, rogue one... But it won't change my mind that I think Kennedy isn't the right fit for star wars. Unfortunately for me it's 1 step forward 2 steps back with her.

There is a lot of assumption in there, I just don't have the same faith in the fandom as you do apparently.

Wait, how did I become the more positive one?

But of course there was a lot assumptions. We can't go back in time unfortunately so we'll never really know. I just believe that if star wars was handled properly, it could have easily gone on a multi saga run.

I guess we'll see what happens over the next year or so. Or maybe it all get cancelled and we get more D+ shows....

You joke, but that is 100% a possibility in my opinion. I actually am expecting that at least two of them don't make it. And if I were a betting man I'd say three.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

Sure maybe they didn't go full on EU Live Action, but even if many don't realize it they they are picking and choosing elements to bring in. This is similar to how the MCU is doing it in my opinion, as they pick and choose what to use and modify things as needed from the comics. But yes I agree they have done it far better than LFL.

There's also a difference between the Marvel comics and the Star Wars EU.

Star Wars began with movies, and those are the primary stories upon which all else is built. Novels and comics for any franchise tend to be seen as "extra" content that is not necessary for most viewers. It's rare that it would be considered cannon that future filmmakers need to consider.

For Marvel on the other hand, the comics are the primary stories. It makes sense they would be part of the film franchise.

Is the Star Wars EU even well liked or beloved? The original Thrawn trilogy was a great sequel that helped reignite the franchise, but the stuff after seemed very convoluted.

 

[Jedijax719]

Sounds and looks like a whole LOT of concern trolling here. Let's see how thing pan out before making any judgements.

 

[Disney Irish]

There's also a difference between the Marvel comics and the Star Wars EU.

Star Wars began with movies, and those are the primary stories upon which all else is built. Novels and comics for any franchise tend to be seen as "extra" content that is not necessary for most viewers. It's rare that it would be considered cannon that future filmmakers need to consider.

For Marvel on the other hand, the comics are the primary stories. It makes sense they would be part of the film franchise.

Is the Star Wars EU even well liked or beloved? The original Thrawn trilogy was a great sequel that helped reignite the franchise, but the stuff after seemed very convoluted.

I would say that the EU was looked at fondly by the fandom as it took the stories they loved from the movies and used them as a jumping off point to expand the SW Universe when it wasn't being done in the movies.

 

[TalkingHead]

Solo made $400m worldwide in 2018. What are the odds the next SW feature makes more/less?

 

[_caleb]

I don't understand the Star Wars fan's need to yuck other fans' yum.

 

[DKampy]

I don't understand the Star Wars fan's need to yuck other fans' yum.

Same can be said in any film thread on the forums these days

 

[erasure fan1]

Is the Star Wars EU even well liked or beloved? The original Thrawn trilogy was a great sequel that helped reignite the franchise, but the stuff after seemed very convoluted.

I don't think it really matters how well liked or beloved it is. All you really need is the stories, characters and ideas. There's enough content to pick out some good ideas to work with.

 

[Willmark]

I don't think it really matters how well liked or beloved it is. All you really need is the stories, characters and ideas. There's enough content to pick out some good ideas to work with.

I must be the only one who hasn't read any of the EU books outside of maybe the first Thrawn book.

Does that mean that mean my childhood is or is not ruined? Asking for a friend.

 

[Phroobar]

I must be the only one who hasn't read any of the EU books outside of maybe the first Thrawn book.

Does that mean that mean my childhood is or is not ruined? Asking for a friend.

Your childhood is only ruined if you read William Shatner's TekWar series.

 

[Disney Irish]

Your childhood is only ruined if you read William Shatner's TekWar series.

I never read the books, but the 90s tv series wasn't half bad.

 

[erasure fan1]

I must be the only one who hasn't read any of the EU books outside of maybe the first Thrawn book.

Does that mean that mean my childhood is or is not ruined? Asking for a friend.

I only kept up with a few things as I was never a huge EU guy. I didn't mind the way they explained how the EU would work in the greater universe. They were tall tales in the star warswars univers but not part of actual history. And that was perfect because just like the real world, a lot of stories have an actual base in real history. So it left them open to cherry pick the best stuff. Unfortunately they haven't done a great job with that.

As far as the ruined childhood goes. I know many people who absolutely loved the EU and were extremely upset it was taken out. It's funny because I give Kennedy a lot of grief for how she's handled star wars. Removing the EU from canon hasn't been one of of them. Where the mistake came in, was everything released after had to fit in canon. So I'd say you're safe that your childhood wasn't ruined.

 

[Willmark]

I only kept up with a few things as I was never a huge EU guy. I didn't mind the way they explained how the EU would work in the greater universe. They were tall tales in the star warswars univers but not part of actual history. And that was perfect because just like the real world, a lot of stories have an actual base in real history. So it left them open to cherry pick the best stuff. Unfortunately they haven't done a great job with that.

As far as the ruined childhood goes. I know many people who absolutely loved the EU and were extremely upset it was taken out. It's funny because I give Kennedy a lot of grief for how she's handled star wars. Removing the EU from canon hasn't been one of of them. Where the mistake came in, was everything released after had to fit in canon. So I'd say you're safe that your childhood wasn't ruined.

Thank goodness! Here I was worried “my friend” was fanning wrong. SW is serious business. Well, just not for Disney lately.

Next up is determining whether or not it’s the fault of the fans or Disney for the Disney star wars movies. I keep hearing it’s the fault of the fans that Disney has such a problem on their hands?

But if one’s childhood isn’t ruined and they haven’t read the EU books doesn’t that mean they don’t have preconceived notions of what SW should be?

And if that is true, than the problem is indeed with Disney?

Again, asking for a friend.

 

[erasure fan1]

Next up is determining whether or not it’s the fault of the fans or Disney for the Disney star wars movies. I keep hearing it’s the fault of the fans that Disney has such a problem on their hands?

Oh man, my favorite tactic, blame the fans. That's always a classic. The studios love that one.

But if one’s childhood isn’t ruined and they haven’t read the EU books doesn’t that mean they don’t have preconceived notions of what SW should be?

And if that is true, than the problem is indeed with Disney?

Well not exactly. I've been told on here many times that it's my own head canon that made me disappointed in the sequels. It couldn't be the lack of a singular vision or story. Or how the legacy characters were handled. So nope. Still your fault, not Disneys.

 

[_caleb]

Thank goodness! Here I was worried “my friend” was fanning wrong. SW is serious business. Well, just not for Disney lately.

Next up is determining whether or not it’s the fault of the fans or Disney for the Disney star wars movies. I keep hearing it’s the fault of the fans that Disney has such a problem on their hands?

But if one’s childhood isn’t ruined and they haven’t read the EU books doesn’t that mean they don’t have preconceived notions of what SW should be?

And if that is true, than the problem is indeed with Disney?

Again, asking for a friend.

No need to do the "asking for a friend" schtick.

I think the premise of your passive-aggressive question is wrong. It isn't a question of fault. Lucas made the original Star Wars trilogy, and lots of people liked it. Whose "fault" was that?

And then Lucas made the PT, and many fans loved it while other fans were disappointed. Again, not a question of fault, but of creative direction. Some people didn't get it. Others got it and just did't like it.

Disney's trilogy and one-offs were likewise widely popular but also disappointed some fans (for different reasons). There are loads of kids who came into Star Wars though these films, and they're pretty passionate about them. No "fault" here.

What is a question of fault is the behavior of the fandom. Hostility, gatekeeping, aggression, bullying (of actors, producers, and fans) toward anything and anyone having to do with whatever Star Wars they found disappointing.

These folks, in my opinion, do share some fault/blame for diminishing what could be a vibrant fan community and ecosystem of great Star Wars content. Rather than creating and maintaining a big tent, they've worked to run people out and burn things down.

When you're invested in the failure of others, even if you win you're on the wrong side.

 

[DKampy]

No need to do the "as a friend" schtick.

I think the premise of your passive-aggressive question is wrong. It isn't a question of fault. Lucas made the original Star Wars trilogy, and lots of people liked it. Whose "fault" was that?

And then Lucas made the PT, and many fans loved it while other fans were disappointed. Again, not a question of fault, but of creative direction. Some people didn't get it. Others got it and just did't like it.

Disney's trilogy and one-offs were likewise widely popular but also disappointed some fans (for different reasons). There are loads of kids who came into Star Wars though these films, and they're pretty passionate about them. No "fault" here.

What is a question of fault is the behavior of the fandom. Hostility, gatekeeping, aggression, bullying (of actors, producers, and fans) toward anything and anyone having to do with whatever Star Wars they found disappointing.

These folks, in my opinion, do share some fault/blame for diminishing what could be a vibrant fan community and ecosystem of great Star Wars content. Rather than creating and maintaining a big tent, they've worked to run people out and burn things down.

When you're invested in the failure of others, even if you win you're on the wrong side.

I agree with this… the biggest issue with Star Wars is the fan base is fragmented… it seems even the fans are in disagreement about what Star Wars film works and what does not… and I can’t fault any of it… I have always said all film is subjective including Star Wars… who am I to judge someone who likes a film that I don’t